By Cate de Leon
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I RECENTLY attended an anthropological lecture on Philippine tribes by Prof. Cherubim Quizon at the UP College of Arts and Letters. But what interested me more was not the lecture itself, but the very first question posed by a woman in the audience, a professor in speech communication. Her words:
“While I honestly enjoyed learning about our ancient origins, I have to admit that I’ve always had a very colonial mindset. Because it seems that if we were to go back to our roots, the result would be entirely regressive. I don’t even know how to answer my students’ queries on nationality; because when they graduate, the only jobs waiting for them are those in call centers. So kindly help me out. Right now I can’t see the point in cultivating who we really are as Filipinos.”
It was a question I have also been asking myself—and I wondered if anybody in the room was capable of answering it objectively. And not with irrelevant passion and poetry, which was all being Filipino had become to me.
A man in the audience stood up and started his speech by clarifying that he was not a nationalist, but a humanist. He said he specialized in analyzing the structure and maximizing the potential of the human being.
Referring to Quizon’s lecture, he re-stated that three very important words in the Filipino psyche are ‘kamag-anak’ (kinship), ‘kasama’ (companionship), and ‘kakilala’ (acquaintanceship).
To more effectively explain the given terms, he gave both new and old examples, like how he once brought home a can of corned beef, knowing it was his family’s favorite. He returned a week after to find the can untouched. Why didn’t they eat it, he asked, and they explained that the neighbors might catch a whiff of the food as they cooked it, and then they’d feel obliged to share.
He also cited how hospital rooms in our country have to have two beds—one for the patient, and another for the bantay (caregiver). And if you plan on bringing a get-well-soon gift, it must be food so that the bantay can have some as well.
The fact that we like to eat in groups was also taken into consideration. Whether it’s lunch, dinner, or merienda at a fishball stand, we like to invite other people to eat along. And when we see a friend eating by himself, we ask why he is alone and if he’s alright, even offering him our company.
If you’ve ever thrown a party, you probably know the frustration when no one calls the R.S.V.P. number. Now the thing about R.S.V.P. is that you’re asking the person individually if he/she is coming to your party. But Filipinos don’t like the thought of showing up alone at social gatherings. As a result, all the days leading up to the party are spent asking around and waiting for confirmation from friends on whether or not they are going as well—because as guests we want to make sure we’ll have enough people to talk to (kausap) when we get there.
The speaker also gave examples highlighting our other traits, like how we prefer to have all the sauces and seasonings laid out before us so we can concoct our own dips, as opposed to how in restaurants abroad, people simply eat the food as it is served.
He added that even the recurring tendency among Filipinos to be late for everything, such as dates, classes, meetings, and appointments, is due to how we’ve always had a timeless concept of time. The terms “sharp” and “on the dot” most certainly didn’t come from us. In band rehearsals, for example, the processes of tuning up and making music often overlap; there is no definite end to the former and beginning to the latter.
Recall too how at the end of social gatherings, we linger in each other’s company. Even the goodbyes take forever. One moment we’re saying goodnight, the next we’re laughing and sharing a short anecdote, which for some reason we forgot to tell earlier when it was still time for exchanging stories.
The speaker summarized, “As a people, we’ve always been highly relational and participatory. We are not innately individualistic and authority-centered as the Americans are—as we’ve been trying to be. That’s why most of us don’t follow traffic rules, and we throw our trash where the sign says we shouldn’t—because we’re not used to simply being told what to do by some “other.” Instead, we’re geared towards co-creation and cooperation when setting goals and accomplishing tasks. But sadly, these qualities have not graduated into a civic consciousness. (Not to mention that) we have absolutely no national consciousness.”
Hearing him say these things, I began to understand that perhaps the real problem lies not in how we’ve been falling short of certain standards, but in how we still knock ourselves out trying to be something that we’re not.
For the most part of my life, I’ve been guilty of having (and denying) a colonial mindset. But I don’t blame myself for it because as a young and eager-to-learn student, it was all I was made to understand. The concept of being proudly Filipino was taught to us in abstract and vague terms. We never really knew what to be proud of.
Colonial mentality, however, was more concretely demonstrated to us. A perfect example was how popular I was with my high school teachers and classmates, just because I spoke fluent English. I highly doubt they would have looked up to me as much had I been just as skilled at speaking Tagalog. It was only in my college years at the University of the Philippines that patriotism started to make practical sense, and was no longer just a sentimental, moral obligation.
As music majors, though we studied the works of western classical composers, we were also educated on and constantly reminded to practice and cultivate our own music—especially if we were to go on international tours.
“So what if you can give them a perfect rendition of, say, Bach’s choral works?” one of my professors used to say. “They’ve heard such pieces countless of times before. And don’t you think it would be absurd to travel all the way to these faraway countries just to give them yet another taste of their own music?”
If you apply the same reasoning to how we look up to English-speaking people, you’d realize how pathetic and inferior it is for us to prize something that is so common to the British and Americans—which is why I have since ceased to be ignorantly cocky about being ingglisera (English-speaking).
Not that speaking foreign languages, flying to other countries, and learning from other people is a bad thing. It’s one of our biggest assets: how easily we can communicate, relate, and adapt to other cultures, especially since the advent of globalization.
But we’re also urgently in need of finding our true identity. And until we do, we’ll be perpetually stuck trying to fit into governmental and societal structures handed down to us by our colonial captors. Until we figure out a system of living that will truly work for us, especially in this modern age, our society will remain just as dysfunctional as it has been for the longest time, with most of our fresh and highly educated graduates trying hard to ease into fake, second-rate American accents in order to get by.
332 Feedbacks on "Dysfunctionally Pinoy"
Pugad Lawin
Thanks Cate for your truthful words about us Pinoys!
Siguro mas maigi kung sinulat mo ito sa Pilipino.
lette
salamat sa pagsulat mo nito
Orlando Ocampo
Can anybody please inform me/all Pilipinos what our roots are? Are we of Malay/Polenesian/Spanish/Indian/Chinese or whatever descent? This is because my grandfather is a cabeza de barangay during the spanish times..my mother says her family name is Indian and my grandmother has chinese blood running thru her veins…. what am I then… or what are Pilipinos if not mongrels with no definite breed….
Ike Santos
Thanks Cate. I can appreciate the different flavors of Pinoy friendships even our social and behavioral attributes. But not being on time and not replying to RSVP is another story. Siguro decades ago, that would not have mattered much. But with the Pinoy diaspora (we’re working in at least 123 countries), being on time at work or socially, and answering to rsvp are two ‘dysfunctionalities’ that will work against us. Puede pang baguhin, kailangan i-emphasize sa school at the earliest levels.
tob
Napakahirap maunawaan kung bakit pilit natin ikinukumpara ang ating bayan sa ibang bayan. Kung atin pong susuriin, ang nakikita natin sa ibang bayan ay yaong lamang mga magaganda dahilan sa ito tulad ng magagandang larawan, subalit walang katotohanan. Ang larawan na makikita mo sa turismo ay walang bahid kapangitan upang maging kaaya-aya sa mga tagalabas. Subalit kung ikaw ay maninirahan sa ibang bayan, makikita mo na maroon ding mga alikabok, may mahirap at mayaman, may mabubuti at mga halang. Dahil kung sadyang napakagaling ng ibang bayan, sila dapat ay wala nang mga paaralan at mga pulis upang magbantay ng katahimikan.
Kapag nakikita ko na pinipilit natin na gagapin ang mga gawi ng ibang bayan, naiisip ko na para nating dinadamitan ng magagarang damit ang isang paslit na pilis nagpupumiglas. Matapos ang damitan, makalingat ka lang, ang paslit hayun, hubad na nagtatatakbo sa labas. Wala pong mali sa paslit na sadyang sumusunod sa kanyang likas na pagiging paslit kundi sa damit na ating pinasusuot na hindi sukat, mainit, at maaari ring makati sa katawan. Pinipilit po natin sabihin na mali ang mga Pilipino dahil hindi katulad sa ibang bayan - ngunit kung ikaw ay mangingibang bayan, ganoon din ang kalagayan na iyong makikita bukod na nga lamang kung ika’y nabubulagan. Kung tayo po ay nabubuhay na maligaya ang kamalian na ating nakikita ay nasasa-atin pong mga isipan.
mang goding
I think it is our culture, customs and tradition of being filipino.
There is nothing wrong with that.
We don’t have to adopt other cultureand embede on us but rather enhance and propagate our culture, of being filipino.
We cannot change what we grown up to. We cannot change what we have learned from our environment, for it is where our culture and traditions thrive.
Being a filipino is not looking for mistake, We don’t need to correct the mistake.
It is part of being filipino.
What I mean to say, the 3K’s in our life. That is sharing, we share to our family, relatives and neighbor.
Well, that is a good trait. Unlike americans, kanya kanya and don’t care. But they are what they are.
That is their customs, to be alone and independent.
So, being filipino is being ourselves as filipinos. We must be proud of that. Let other culture copy our culture.
We can learn from other nationalities but for me, what we are, is most important.
We filipinos are socialistic people hindi lang high society.
Maraming kakilala at kaibigan.
That is Pinoy.
DonLuna
“While I honestly enjoyed learning about our ancient origins, I have to admit that I’ve always had a very colonial mindset. Because it seems that if we were to go back to our roots, the result would be entirely regressive. I don’t even know how to answer my students’ queries on nationality; because when they graduate, the only jobs waiting for them are those in call centers. So kindly help me out. Right now I can’t see the point in cultivating who we really are as Filipinos.”
Iyo Karpo
Before we became Filipinos, we were called Indios, by the hybrid peninsulares ( the first to register as Filipino citizens).
Our ancestors were part of the Sri Vishayan empire that spanned from Madagascar to some island in the Pacific. Visayan dialects share more words with Bahasa and Malagasy than Tagalog.
Today, only the Visayas islands can be identified with that great empire. The capital of the empire was Srivijaya on the outskirts of Palembang, Indonesia.
The world-famous Visayan martial arts of stick fighting is one of the most famous legacies of this great empire.
We became dysfunctional Pinoys after 400 years of Spanish rule.
Hasmin
Ako ay isang Filipino na guro dito sa Amerika. Ang asawa ko ay isang Amerikano. Sa aking obserbasyon ito ang mga katangian ng mga Filipino, lalo na ang mga naninirahan sa ibang bansa:
• Ang mga Filipino dito sa Amerika ay mapasalamat. Dahil sa oportunidad na nakamit para magtrabaho dito at kumita ng malaki sila ay puno ng disiplina, may takot sa batas, at pinagbubuti ang trabaho nila.
• Ipinag mamalaki ang pinangalingan nila. Ibinabahagi nila ang kanilang katutubong pagkain, sayaw, wika, at sinseridad sa pakikipag kaibigan sa lahat ng pagkakataon.Kapag meron ako bagong nakikilalang banyaga, ipinagmamalaki at ibinibida nila ang mga kaibigan at kakilala nilang Filipino.
• Sa apat na taon na pagsasama naming ng asawa ko, mag pasa hangga ngayon palagi nya pinupuri ang pagiging Filipina ko; maasikaso, mapag mahal at matapat. Palagi nya sinasabihan mga kaibigan o kakilala nya na mag hanap ng Filipina na asawa kung gusto nilang sumaya ang buhay nila =) Marami siya ka trabaho na Filipinos kaya nakakatiyak siya sa kanyang sinasabi.
• Ang hindi ko lang talaga maintindihan ay ang inggit sa bawat isa na nagbibigay daan sa sinasabi nating “crab mentality”. Ka kikitaan ang mga maraming Filipino dito sa ibang bansa. Nakaka lungkot =(
Ang sa akin lang ay kung tayong mga Filipino ay mabigyan lang ng tayo na mga lider na mamumuno ng may katapatan at pagmamahal sa atin, di lang tayo uunlad kung hindi magiging matatag ang ating pagkakakilanlan bilang Filipino.
joyce
I beg to disagree that Americans are “kanya kanya and don’t care”. This is a generalisation. This statement does not stand with any other nationality either. I met a lot of friendly people just a few weeks past when I was in San Francisco. Some people would approach me as I decipher my map and ask, “Do you need help finding a place?” May I also point out the phenomenon of social networking sites such as Facebook, Couchsurfing and Twitter? All of these indicate the level of concern - or curiosity - that people have for each other’s lives. Different societies have their own ways of living, but it does not necessarily mean one is more superior than the other. Or that one has more flaws. It simply means that we have all developed different preferences.
pinoy
Cate, if you could only be more specific why we urgently need a true identity, i don’t believe that we are dysfunctional because of our identity. And could you come up with an identity that would fit the Filipinos other than being Filipino?
another point is you mentioned that we urgently need to find a system of living that will truly work for us. Our system of living is too complex to be changed and any reforms would take times. And what about the term ‘colonial mentality’ i think this is a mis-used term, hindi ba dapat matotohan at gayahin natin kong anong magandang ugali ng iba, lalo na sa kaalaman. Ang masama kong pati ang pangit na pamamaraan ng iba ay gayahin mo. Kong dysfunctional ang ating systema ay dahil sa atin, marami pa tayong dapat malaman, tulad ng ‘common interest’, kailangan malaman at maintindihan natin na ang national interest ng ating bansa ay mas matimbang kay sa ating mga individual interest. And I believe that our National Hero, Dr. Jose Rizal understood it very well to the extent that he sacrificed his life for our country.
Dapat malaman natin at paniwalaan natin na ang pagpili ng mga national leaders natin ay national interest ng ating bansa na dapat hindi dahil kaibigan o kamag-anak o idolo mo o binayaran ka ay iboboto mo sa eliksyon. Marami pa tayong dapat malaman at maintidihan bago tayo maging maunlad at mapayapa. Almost everything relating to the problems of our country needs a process, because its us, Filipinos.
tob
Totoo na tayo po nagmula sa iba’t ibang ninuno at kultura - subalit tayo po sa kasalukuyan ay hindi na tulad ng ating mga ninuno - sa katotohanan, tayo po ay hindi mamumukhaan ng ating mga ninuno. Tayo po ay hindi tulad ng mga Pilipino mula sa isang daan taon na nakaraan. Hindi rin tayo katulad ng Pilipino noong apat raang taon na nakaraan. Kung iisipin, hindi po sila Pilipino, dahilan ang Pilipino ay nagmula lamang noong ika-labing siyam na dantaon. Kung ipipilit natin ibalik ang nakaraan, tayo po ay waring mga hukluban na pilit bumabalik sa sinapupunan ng kanyang ina. Ang kasabihan na: “ang hindi tumanaw sa pinanggalingan ay hindi makararating sa paroroonan” ay dapat dugtungan: - “ang nabubuhay sa nakaraan, ay walang kinabukasan”.
Reed
It is interesting now that we seek our national identity and there is also widespread national awakening in the country when people around the world are seeking to be part of the global network.
It is comforting to realize what it meant to me to be a Filipino. The first three sentences of Our Pledge of Allegiance says, I love the Philippines. It is the land of my birth. It is the home of my people. These are good enough for me to call myself a Filipino. As for my values I don’t think I can identify mine to the general public.
But what are we as Filipinos? It is as we are. It is we, as a colonized people. It is we who have crab mentality. It is we who believe that anything is good but made in the Philippines. I can mention dozens of Filipino traits and qualities positive and negative, and these what made us whole. These are the qualities that set us apart from Koreans, Chinese Japanese or anyone else. As for our qualities there is big room for improvement. But can it be that our weaknesses our strengths, too?
roger lasquite
isa marahil na magandang basehan o mas ok na obserbasyon e ‘KUNG’ ikaw e kasali o kasama sa isang grupo Filipino man o hindi,civic,religious o sa trabaho na me-ilan kayong magkakababayan. At alam ko marami ang makapag-sasabi ng iba-ibang opinyon at obserbasyon,sa kanilang mga karanasan sa mga grupong nasalihan nila,…ngunit dapat e atin din isa-alang-alang ang ang kung ilang panahon silang kasapi o sumama sa grupo upang malaman din natin ang kung paano o saan na nakarating ang mga grupong ito sa kabila ng mga pagsubok at hamon at kung bakit at dahilan kung bakit nila nasasabi ang ganon,…at marahil kahit sa kalagayan natin ngayon ‘yung nasaan na tayo,kahit pa nga after 400 yrs na,e marahil,magandang balikan din ang mga nakaraan,at …sa pulitika e siguro pwedeng me-mga obserbasyon tayo,lalo pa’t narito pa tayo at ang iba e tutuong naranasan ang halos bawat yugto,at kung sino o ano ang kalagayan ng bawat nagsulat o author at isa rin sa obserbasyon ko e mahalaga rin ang spirituality nila,upang malaman natin ang katapatan at katotohanan ng bawat isinulat niya,na walang bahid ng kasinulngalingan o pinapaboran,at kung mula sa kung anong grupo siya o kahit pa nga sa kung anong paaralan at institusyon siya at doon e makikita natin ang mga kaibahan ng kanikanilang pagsususlat at obserbasyon.At kahit pa nga tayo na mga indibidwal at sari-sariling opinyon lang e malaki rin ang magiging kaibahan,’isa sa naririnig ko lagi e ‘e kung saan ito nanggagaling? at syempre sasabihin ng iba e,ah si kwan pala e! so kredibilidad din at mga karanasan at history ng kung paanong ang mga isinulat at opinyon nito e me-consistency at kung memga nabago man e dahilan sa kung ano ang kadahilanan,at ‘kahit yun pa nga e,parang ngayon pa lang halos napag-uusapan lalo pa’t tila nga ngayon e panahon ng mga pagtatama,sa ekonomiya, sa mga kung paano ang ginawa sa mga bansang me-giyera ngayon,environment,halos lahat ngayon e tuloy pa rin ang eka nga e ‘evolution o evolving pa rin lahat at tuloy pa rin ang pag-aaral.Kahit pa nga mga batas e muli ina-update,kung paanong ang unjust law e gagawing tama o.At syempre…mabagal at ‘eto yung mga Central bankers sabi e ,macro prudence daw talaga ang kailangan.So,tayo sa pulitika,dapat ganon din siguro at ang mabigat pag-sinimulan e,lilitaw na lahat,parang ‘nagrerepair ng bahay na luma,pag-sinimulan na e yung maliit e yun pala e lahat na e kaingan ng palitan at ayun!!! kapos na sa budget,sa iba pang kailangan…SO HINDI NA NGA SIGURO PANAHON NG SISIHAN,…yung tila naghahabol na tayo,kahit paano,ha,ha at me pag-asa,kung…eto nga tayo ngayon e nakiki-isa na sa paglalahad ng mga opinyon at mga nakikita nating ginagawa na,at sana e kahit pa nga yung sabi e incremental changes,na both moral and effective e lalong higit na tayo e maging MATIYAGA AT MASIGASIG o to persevere lalo.
Sabi pa e,’The frustrations that comes from high expectations that earen’ty realized might be tempered by looking more deeply into the obstacles that block political and leagal change.’
At syempre magmumuni tayo sa mga ‘ibat’ibang mga ke-raming mga sasalungain…
slow in a democracy,3 branches of gov, and then mga provinces o regions,…
Representative democracy,-a republic-clashes of contending interests.A result of free people at lalo pa kung free societ na tayo,at halos e ganon na ang Pilipinas.
At ang iba pa ang ke-raming mga opinyon,public,tulad natin ngayon,…legal constraints,syempre lahat e me-umuiral na halos na batas,…procedural hurdles,sa komite pa lang at bidding at house rules na tinatawag,mga partido political,,at SYEMPRE PERA-M-O-N-E-Y, and eto malala rin,human vices and weaknesses,at inakupo…napakarami nito at mahirap na harapin,…macho nurin,pugi,tigas-ulo,bida lagi,pikon,ayaw pasaway,at HINDI NAGDADASAL.at eto mahaba na!!!sorry po napasarap.marami pa…itutuloy— pag-sinipag,..at yun pa,…’tamad!!! lalo sa pagbabago.So balik aral sa history at sana e yung tama raw!!!
E sa Saligang Batas pa nga tayo e,mukhang matatagalan na…buti na lang nagsisimula na uli…kahit hindi pa lahat nakikisali o kayang makisali lalo na’t memga-tampo pa,…
Chito
I think we should look at the true reasons why we Filipinos are dysfunctional.
Our govt leaders are corrupt. Our system govt and private is corrupt. Not that other Asian countries are not, but ours is inherently apparent. We have no product, character traits, leader (except Pacquio) that we can be proud of. The only thing we export is our best people because they really have no choice. We need true leaders that will define who we really are. Sad but true.
sol
i think our problem is that although we profess to be ´highly relational and participatory´ many of us lacked discipline and are selfish. instead of asking who we are as a filipino, may be the question is, what do we want to be?
tob
Ayon po ako na ating saliksikin ang kasaysayan ng ating lupain magmula pa noong panahon ng ating mga ninunong katutubo. Ang nais ko kung magkagayon, ay maging makatotohanan ang pagsusuri di tulad noong dekada 70 hanggang 80 na may halong propaganda at pagmamagaling. Kailangan po natin ikumpara sa kasaysayan ng ating mga kalapit bayan sa Asia upang maging buo ang ating pananaw. Kailangan din po natin alamin ang mga digmaan na ating sinaniban mula noong ika-15 dantaon. Napapansin ko na ang kasaysayan natin nuong panahon ng Kastila ay yaon lang mga pag-aaklas at tila ba hindi buo. Bakit kaya hindi natin gawain na ang pamahalaan noong panahon na yaon ay kasama ng ating kasaysayan sa mabuti man o hindi upang maging ganap ang ating pananaw. Kailangan natin sabihin ang ganap na kasaysayan, masakit man ito dahil ito ang katotohanan.
Eterio
Are we now Homer Dysfunctionally pinoy? or Makatao at Marunong magrespeto sa ating nakakataas at Unang Bathala Panginoong DIYOS or GOD the creator of the scattered philippine islands.
mang goding
It is really funny how these letter writers describe the filipinos and philippines.
Like this one dysfunctionally pinoy, the other one the funny way of loving the Philippines.
To fast forward, what they see are all the bad and not the good.
Well, that is typical pinoy we all see the bad and the ugly.
We are meticulous of what we are, we don’t appreciate of what we are.
There is always something wrong, there is always something not good.
Instead of praise, we assail.
As they say, we see the hole of a needle but not hole of an ax.
Maybe, if we start appreciating what we are and what we are accustomed to as good, then we are a functional race not dysfuntional as the author suggests.
nino
I felt more of a Filipino as a read your article. I have been in touch with my existence for a long time now, yet I have not been able to identify myself as a Filipino effectively. I was able to adapt to numerous circumstances and situations yet, I have never been an individual.
Your article inspires the Filipino in me, I felt a touch of nationalism in your essay. This comforts and strikes a deep root in my heart. We Filipinos have been to busy “growing out” but not too interested in “growing in”. What will our children see in ours? Will they follow our steps and move in towards “growing out”?
Let us at least make an effort to pave the way to a society with a genuine Filipino blood. We may never be able to see it in full bloom, but at least we were able to start a strong foundation for future leaders of this country.
Obet
If we are highly-relational and participatory…why is that crab mentality one of our rotten traits? Another question is that are we Filipinos? Even Filipinos overseas tend to cluster based on their ethnicity (i.e., Ilocano, Cebuano, etc.). How can we then say that we have an identity or a collective consciousness as a Filipino?
walter komarnicki
Sol’s right - and in the immortal words of Martin Luther King:
‘we aien’t what we ought to be, we aien’t what we wanna be, but thank God, we aien’t what we used to be.”
Iyo Karpo
“Recall too how at the end of social gatherings, we linger in each other’s company. Even the goodbyes take forever. One moment we’re saying goodnight, the next we’re laughing and sharing a short anecdote, which for some reason we forgot to tell earlier when it was still time for exchanging stories.”…
You forgot to mention about the “take home food” or “bring home food”, a typical Pinoy request after the party. Most of my non-Pinoy guests find this amusing. I always end up telling them it’s the Pinoy culture.
That’s why I limit my parties at the hotels or restaurants.
Dan
It is all about our cultural differences and our individualism that makes us dysfunctional. We have different ways of doing things and that we oftentimes do not reach consensus. Filipinos lack the concept of solidarity, which is essential in nation building. Likewise, we love freedom up to the extent that we have abused it to the fullest. Like for example there is always a loophole in our laws. We have a concept of leadership but we do not want to be led by somebody because everybody wants to be a leader. We are irrationally stubborn and stubbornly irrational as a people and sometimes we did not fully understand the meaning of RESPECT for we use for it for self-exaltation. We are not even very consistent in our decisions for fear of not being ‘marunong makisama’. We also like to exaggerate our actions just to stand out. In the end, it is not about finding our true identity to make us functional as a person, as people, and eventually as a nation, because we will never find a single Filipino identity. And we have to accept this reality. It is about finding out the best within us, what we can do, how we can change the miserable situation this country has into. After all it all comes down to our values, the personal choices and decisions we make starting at home with our families. What we should to is to find the right values for us to function well in a dysfunctional society and system. And we’ll be surprised to learn that what it takes sometimes is just a matter of common sense.
B
The Western ppl can’t distinguish Filipinos from Mexicans physically (except maybe from the nose, hehehe). While they really like Filipinos’ great work ethics (hardworking, resilient, flexible, trustworthy, very loyal, don’t complain much) and God-fearing attitude (never misses Sunday masses), they can’t seem to fathom why Filipinos don’t seem to have a unity (jealousy, gossip mongers and crab mentality are abound). Filipinos don’t seem to have a big impact to the world except for being nannies or helpers (in order to survive)…due to the corruptness of our government (sigh).
mang goding
What was narrated are all true.
That’s our filipino way, we are more of a pakikisama type of person.
That is our trait, that is our customs.
In time of needs, in time of sorrows, filipinos are there to help, to console and support.
I don’t take that as a weak point of being a filipino, nor a disadvantage.
Well, filipinos have this spirit called Bayanihan… a true spirit of a true filipino.
A spirit that was culminated and inculcated in our heart, mind and soul that still lingers on us.
I take that as a strong point of every filipino… the bayanihan spirit that
means tulong tulong para sa ikauunland ng sambayanan.
Caloy D.
You should read this interesting article posted by Ellen Tordesillas in her blog. The article is “Why the Filipino is special” by Ed Lapiz,
http://www.ellentordesillas.com/?p=105
ForwardPhilippines
To Mang Goding’s — do we really just see the bad and not the good, do we merely assail and not praise? I don’t think so. Read the numerous online comments out there after the win of Pacquaio, or those relating to Charice and Arnel Pineda. We are quite quick to defend our own when someone tries to say something nasty about the Pinoys. And most times, we do sound overly defensive - showing that we are an emotional lot.
If we see the bad and the ugly, how then do we explain having corrupt people in power? Is it perhaps we just look, grind our teeth and choose not to do anything about it?
I, too, am wondering who we truly are - what really is a Filipino, what defines us? Perhaps knowing the answer would help move us forward. We’ve been down the pits for a while now. Look at how the other economies in Asia prospered while we languish, relying heavily on remittance from those overseas.
A lot of us are defined by our circumstances, our need at the moment, our responsibilities. We are the guys at the call center with faux American accent because the accent is our edge. We are the snobbish professional in Singapore or Hong Kong because we do not want to be associated with the domestic helps. We are those posting personal attacks on other bloggers because we could not admit that others are truly better than us. We are the domestic helper, slaving it out, because we need to provide for our family. We are the street-children begging for attention… begging that someone lifts a finger to improve our plight…
tob
Tungkol sa masasamang ugali tulad ng crab mentality at iba pa, makikita po natin ito sa lahat ng bayan, tayo nga lang pong mga Pilipino ang nag-iisip na tayo ang may monopoliya sa lahat ng masasamang ugali sa mundo. Bilang bansa, marahil ay hindi pa nga tayo matatag, dahilan sa ang tingin natin sa pamahalaan ay isang magulang na nagpapatupad ng batas at hindi nakikinig sa mga mamamayan. Marahil nga, ang kasalukuyang systema ng pamahalaan ay katulad pa rin ng isang koloniya. Bakit po hindi natin ibaba at ilapit ang pamahalaan sa mamamayan, upang magkarinigan. Kung mangyayari po ang gayon ang namamahala at pinamamahalaan ay magiging iisa. Nang sa gayun, kilala ng mga mamamayan ang katauhan ng sinomang namumuno.
may chokshi
Poverty , is so powerful that it is hard to be nationalistic. We have to be selfish in order to survive. We see our leaders who are corrupt. it is hard to be involve in our society because we are tired of the same thing. We’ll rather think how to survive. I only became patriotic when I left Philippines. Now I have money. I can help my nieces/ nephews to go to school. and I suddenly so miss Philippines that I read the news all the time and the tagalog/ Kundiman I miss so much even ” baduy ” movies I’m longing for. Then I think how I can help my country . It is thru education . I’d like to form an educational foundation. The mission is to teach our children the True History of our country and filipino Literature and music , Arts and crafts. But then again children have to have food in their stomach to learn. ultimately we have to fix the poverty in our Country; we all need to help each other. one last thing, don’t fixate too much about our ” identity ” the way I do it I pick the good traits of each. Never stop learning. so what if pinoys are dysfunctional ! it can be fix it has to start from within . colonial mentality so what ! just be yourself and always do the best you can. and when you have money help the kids to go to school.
Middle aged MD
I think Cate’s piece is fine the way it was written especially if it is the way that she best expresses herself. Jose Rizal wrote in Spanish but did that make his writings any less Filipino or patriotic?
Today’s Filipino is who he is, we can dissect him to death. Measured against himself, he needs no jusitification. It is when we measure the Pinoy against the standards of other countries and cultures that the pinoy himself begins to ask questions.
george
I totally agree with Obet that we are more aware of our internal regionalism/ethnicity than our supposed nationalism. I for one identifies more with being an igorot rather than being a pinoy. While growing up in the remote mountains of the Cordillera, the filipino language is just a posh name for tagalog only spoken in language class and by some distant people in manila. There is a feeling that claiming to be a pinoy is more of a claim to a tagalog language and culture rather to a collective fusion of different ethnic and equally important cultures. The result is a fractured, unseamless and confused consciousness of being a filipino. The blame rests not on the nation’s geography but rather more on weak, unqualified leaders who fail to put the nation’s interest well above their own. Bad leadership has created this comlex web of corruption and deceit so ingrained to the community that it became part of us. Its a long way for us to get to answer to that burning question of what is it to be a filipino but simply asking that question has already made the work halfdone.
tob
Wala pong mali kung malakas ang regional o ethnic consciousness natin. Sa lahat ng bayan, iyan po ang kalakaran. Ang tawag po diyan, “being local”, “small town”, “grass roots”, at iba pa. Ang mali po ay kung sa pinakamababang antas ng pamahalaan, o sa “local level” pa lamang ay pinababayaan na natin ang corruption at duon pa lamang ay hindi na pinakikinggan ang ating mga naisin. Kung iisipin po lahat ng pamunuan ay nagsisimula sa “local” tulad ng mga representante at mga pinuno. Sa mga lokal na presinto po natin malalaman kung nagkabilihan o nagkanakawan ng boto. Sa lokal na “level” din natin malalaman kung ang mga politiko ay nagtitinda ng ipinagbabawal na gamot o sila ay may mga upahang sanggano. Sa lokal na “level” po nagsisimula ang demokrasya.
dohdong
English is the Phil.’s second language. Every Filipino is expected to be proficient in the English language (both oral and written). But then, we should define the English language in the Phil. context. Being able to speak English does make us an American, a British, Australian or any English speaking nationality in the world. We should learn to appreciate the value of English in our life. English should strengthen us as a people and not be a hindrance to our development. Madali bang mag issue ng guidelines ang government sa English or in Filipino?
Remember, people like Manny, Nora or Lucio are not proficient in the English language. The point is we should not lose sight of our vision of what we want for our country and who we are.
I remember this story in the Oil Refinery in the Middle East were two Pinoys were conversing in English. This Arab Supervisor asked them why they are talking to each other in English when he knows that both of them are pinoys. Sabi nung isa, well sadik (friend) you see he is not a Filipino, he is bisaya.
PinoyGarçon
I agree with George, Obet and Middle MD. Our nationalism should be made stronger than our regional and local conciuosness. Of course, there is no problem being aware of our local heritage but better to keep it to ourselves at the personal level when it comes to nation building. If we want a single genuine Filipino identity then we must forget that we are Ilocanos, Bisayans, Ifugaos, Igorots, Tagalogs etc, and that we must forget that our countrymen is an Ilocano, Bisaya, Igorot, Ifugao, Tagalog etc. Its true, we are a nation of cultural and geographic diversity but that diversity is keeping us apart. Instead of thinking that we are uniquely different, we should be contemplating on the very potential of each of our countrymen. Given a proper education, a child of a farmer in Negros or Sagada has the potential to be a NASA scientist, or a daughter of a DH from Saudi could become the next Nobel Price winner. Its not impossible. When it comes to good governance and economic efficiency, we can look at how the European Union model works where the key is thinking globally but acting locally and responsibly. May Chokshi made a good point, Never stop learning and share what you learn!. Filipinos are big fishes in a small pond, and there is so much oppurtunity for learning outside the Philippines. I myself is working and studying in Europe but the valuable lessons and experience learned are shared back home. We can solve corruption by being vigilant and critical with our choices during elections and even by not making any choice at all. We should not be mislead by the ideals of communism or another EDSA by hoping to change our government, what we really need is a gradual change in our mindset and maturity of our conciousness towards a single Filipino goal of global competence in every best thing we can do.
dohdong
correction. being able to speak english does not ….
Ibon
Being Filipino…it is really not that difficult. As long as you can still say you’re a Filipino proudly, whether you speak English well or not doesn’t matter. I am married to a white, California born man, so I can say with certainty that I have been heavily enmeshed in another culture. What I can say is that it is good to know how to speak and write English well for the purpose of communication. I finished a master’s degree in an American University and it was very helpful that I know the English language….so it’s okay to be really fluent in any other language. Don’t be too harsh on those who speak English well. I love your article though, I am always on lookout to explain some of my thought patterns (and my kamag-anak’s as well).
Jorson
Of all the countries in Asia Filipinos are the only one ashamed of their looks. The Koreans, Japanese, Malaysian, Vietnamese etc, etc are proud of who they are. When a Filipino baby is born the first comment , is the baby flat nose or dark skin? Over 90% of the Filipinos are dark and have flat nose look around you. Filipinos obsession with big nose and light skin to me is hilarious but sad. When someone does not like their face how about a whole country. This has grave effect on how you look at yourself. Self-Esteem problem. Filipinos treat light skin people with big nose’s differently, sort of like “Masters” they act inferior I’ve seen it. Look at your entertainment industry. Can’t sing, can’t act and can’t dance actors and actress that look a certain way and people love them. I don’t understand it and It breeds mediocrity.
tob
Hindi po ako ayon na upang maging mabuting Pilipino ay dapat nang kalimutan ang ating taal na tribong pinagmulan. Kung tayo po ay tapat sa ating tribo, ito ay nangangahulugan na tayo ay tapat ding Pilipino. Ang tungkulin ng isang representante ng isang tribo ay ipagsanggalang ang kanyang tribo sa malalakas na mga grupo, ipaabot ang tinig ng kanyang tribo sa pamahalaan, at magdala ng kaunlaran sa kanyang tribo. Kung sino man sa kanyang sariling tribo ang magsamantala sa kanyang mga kababayan, katungkulan niyang humingi ng tulong sa pamahalaan. Kung anumang kapasyahan ng pamahalaan ay makapipinsala sa kanyang tribo, katungkulan niyang hingiin ang tulong ng ibang tribo upang tutulan ito. Tayo po ay mga tribong nagkakabuklod sa ilalim ng bandila ng bayan. Bawat tao ay naiiba, tulad ng bawat tribo ay naiiba, at gayon din bawat bansa ay naiiba. Hindi po natin dapat itakwil ang ating katauhan upang maging tunay na Pilipino, dahil ang ating katauhan, ang ating tribo ang ating kontribusyon sa Pilipino.
tirador
Jorson says;
“Of all the countries in Asia Filipinos are the only one ashamed of their looks. The Koreans, Japanese, Malaysian, Vietnamese etc, etc are proud of who they are.”
tirador says;
I beg to disagree with your statement because to me its like issuing a blanket statement against your fellow Filipinos. First and foremost, you can’t speak for the Koreans, Japanese, Malaysians, and Vietnamese for the simple reason that you dont even know whats on their mind. Are you 100% sure that all these people are proud of who they are? maybe some but not all.
Second, you cant speak for the minds of all Filipinos whether they’re here or abroad. Again, its not 100% representation of our sentiments, self prejudices and biases.
Third, a bunch of those nationalities that you mentioned have already acquired their US citizenships. Somehow, it means that they denounced their allegiance to their former countries but not in a bad light…maybe or maybe not. Have you thought about that?
tirador
To Jorson,
Im sorry. I read your post once again and I just thought your not a Filipino at all, but just the same my comment goes to you…he he he
You can’t speak for the entire Filipino nation whoever you are and wherever you came from. We have no difference to settle because our sh#t smells the same, isnt it?
Liwanag
These are all true but these maladies can be traced during the colonization of Spain in our country. As it is called the Spanish history of the Philippines.
The spaniards had caused us so much, brainwashed and enslaved us which resulted to the atrophy of our mind and spirit.
During Rizal’s time, the natives were treated as slaves because they are not white like them. They were restricted to be educated, as Jagor found the Philippines “few opportunities for amusement” and claimed “no readable books.” At that time they were deprived of learning because the spaniards knew if the indios will become educated it will result to their defiance to Spain.
As Rizal said “an educated native is a dangerous native.”
And until now, we are still bound from the past. We are still slaves of our time.
We need to find our roots as Filipinos and we can only find it if we study the life the First Filipino JOSE RIZAL.
“IF FILIPINOS READ MORE ABOUT THE NATIONAL HERO THEY WOULD NOT ONLY GET TO KNOW RIZAL BUT UNDERSTAND THEMSELVES BETTER.”
- AMBETH OCAMPO
Studying the life of Rizal makes me more proud to be a Filipino. He was the GREAT MALAY that the Philippines and whole of Asia can be proud of.
Liwanag
To Orlando Ocampo
The first inhabitants of the Philippines were Austronesian people originated from Taiwan. The Austronesian first stopped in the Philippines and others migrated to different parts of Southeast Asia, the Pacific and to as far as Madagascar. The Austronesian who stayed here were the ones who created first the civilization in the Philippines. They became the first Filipinos.
roger lasquite
Pag-aralan nga marahil ng husto ang buhay ng ating Bayani Dr.Jose Rizal,at sana e maraming mga aklat na maging available,at dapat e simula elementarya,at yung mga matagal ng nagtapos o nakatapos mag-aral nito,e balik-aral, at sana e matutong mag-bahagi ng kaalaman,e karamihan pag-ganitong topic e,walang mga interes ang marami,lalo na’t akala e pulitika ang pupuntahan,’tanungin mga asawa at karamihan e walang paki-alam.ha,ha’.’ o balik Noli- o ito po baga ‘ yung-’Huwag mo akong salingin,o pwede rin kayang ’salingin ‘maki-alam,o paki-alaman natin,o makilahok! ang dami ano po?
Jorson
To Tirador,
I wish you were right. I’m from States and travel to Philippines a lot and spend months there at a time. I have friends from all over asia. Koreans, Vietnamese, Indians, etc, etc look down on mix races. They are proud of their race. Only the Filipinos are happy when they’re mix with light skin people. Especially when the children are more white looking than Filipino looking. One of my favorite book is “Looking for the Prehispanic Filpino” Filipinos were once proud,tough, warrior, raiders like culture until Spain came.
tirador
Jorson,
There you go. That even makes me wonder why you keep on coming back to our country where you openly criticize my fellow Filipinos. Who cares if your from the states? Is that hypocrisy or stupidity? And yes by all means I was right and you are wrong.
I dont give a damn if you travel to the Philippines a lot or you fly to the moon, or any planet in outer space. The point of our contention here is for you to shut your mouth if your not 100% sure of what your talking about. Once again, you cant speak for the entire Filipino since youre not even a Filipino yourself. I met a lot of educated white people who knows how to respect and recognize people from other culture and background and likewise, some Filipinos do the same. When Im with these kind of people, then Im proud. But if Im gonna mix with people like you, I am sure I won’t stoop down to your level. Not all Filipinos are proud when they mix with white people….for me it depends on their breeding and level of intellect . Believe me, I encountered a lot of foreigners whos worst than a less educated Filipino…..he he he he. Whats your point Jorson?
Pinoy Abroad
Jorson says;
“Koreans, Vietnamese, Indians, etc, etc look down on mix races. They are proud of their race.”
Hey Jorson,
Your statement confused me. Can you clarify your statement? How come they look down on mix races and they are proud of their race? Im confused. Are you really from the states?
tob
Higit na nanaisin ko ang Pilipino na nagagalak sa kanyang pagiging bunga ng magkahalong lahi, kaysa sa ibang bayan na labis ang tayog ng tingin sa sariling lahi. Dahilan sa ang labis na pagpapahalaga sa sariling lahi ay isang katangian ng mang-aalipin na ating kinasusuklaman sa ating kasaysayan. Ang ganitong katangian ang nagpasiklab sa ikalawang digmaang pandaigdig at ng kahindik-hindik na holcaust.
Kaya ang payo ko ay tignan natin ng mahinahon ang ating kasaysayan at hindi puno ng pagkamuhi at pagmamagaling. Patungkol kay Rizal, bakit hanggang sa huling sandali ay ipinipilit niya na siya ay tapat sa Espanya at bakit hindi niya tinanggap ang pagkapangulo na iniaalok ni Bonifacio?
Bakit hindi binura ng Espanya ang mga tribo na hanggang ngayon ay buhay pa na kung tawagin natin ay rehiyon o lalawigan at iba’t iba nating mga wika? Ano ba ang ibig sabihin ng colony? Ito po ay tulad lang ng immigration, ibig sabihin iyong mga kastila ay nanirahan sa Pilipinas. Nasasaan na po ang mga mananakop na sinasabi natin? Tayo po ang mga kaapu-apuhan nila. Nasa dugo po natin ang sinakop at ang nanakop. Hindi po natin maaaring salain ang ating dugo. Ang ipinaglaban po ng mga bayani ay ang pantay na pagtingin, dahil sa kanilang mga mata ay espanyol din sila. Kung ating pong babasahin ang mga lumang kasaysayan, hindi kayang sakupin kailanman ng espanya ang Pilipinas - kaya po namatay si Magallanes. Ang nakasakop po sa Pilipinas ay si Legaspi, subalit hindi kayang sakupin gamit ang sarili niyang tropa dahil kaunti sila. Nakipag-alyansa siya sa karamihan ng mga tribo upang gapiin ang ibang tribo. Nagawa niya ito dahilan sa magkakalaban ang mga tribo. Nakipag-alyansa siya sa mga tribo dahil nais niyang labanan ang Portugal na nasa Indonesia noong panahon na iyon at higit na makapangyarihan sa kanya. Nais din niyang lusubin ang Borneo dahil tuloy pa rin ang paglusob nito sa pampangin ng bayan. Puno ng digmaan ang panahon ng kastila subalit kung babasahin nating mabuti, mga Pilipino ang umaalalay sa kanila at hindi ang kabaligtaran. Kung iisipin sila ang pumigil sa labanan ng mga tribo at napag-isa nila ang mga pulo. Kahit na gaano ka-regionalistic ang mga Pilipino, nagkaroon tayo ng identity sa ilalim ng Espanya na iisa tayong kapuluan.
Alex
We were having our team building activity with the new Indian boss from Chennai. He thought of getting some people to stand in front to make the toast. He called out, “the tallest girl, come in front.” Then the whole team would shout the name of the tallest girl and she will proceed from her seat. This went on until it was time to call for the most good looking guy. Right away the house was divided into two. The Indians chanting the name of an Indian guy and the Chinese for a Chinese guy, which went on for quite a while but in good cheer. If it were in the Philippines, it would’ve been very easy. Everyone would know who has the lightest skin and highest nose bridge.
An Indian teammate who has some taste for Chinese girls is brandished as weird. Apart from Indians, they usually like Malay, Filipinas, and African American whose skin tone is closer to theirs. My Chinese teammates have a narrower preference. One openly said, he likes chinese, japanese, and koreans but not caucasians because they look old. I couldn’t say this is an isolated case because when I’ve shown another friend with a picture of a sizzling hot mestiza from my facebook account, he said “she’s a bit cute but she looks very old.” Deep inside me, I thought cute was the understatement of the century.
I have lots of stories of friends getting ditched by their girlfriends for white guys but they can’t beat what my uncle once said. He quipped, “I don’t believe God created men equal. Coz, why are the American’s very good looking. They’re white skinned and have high nose bridge. And we don’t.” So I talked to him about the subjectivity of beauty…about how similar or even more profound the obsession of Morrocans towards lighter skin is…but that’s another story.
Unless you perform surveys, it would be easy to argue against each others propositions as inaccurate generalizations. Of course there are special cases but it doesn’t take a Glutathione billboard falling down on me to realize how becoming not brown skinned is a huge industry in the Philippines. I’d have to give this one to Jorson.
Lastly, I’m not implying that appreciating other cultures or embracing diversity is wrong. It’s just that embracing anything but yourself is hardly something constructive.
Alex
sorry… i think jamaicans :). my memory is floundering.
Pinoy Abroad
Jorson,
if you can turn back the hands of time, maybe the prehistoric filipinos who are proud of their color and heritage (and are not corrupt) will resurface. but because of the ever changing global environment, demographics, occurence of interracial marriages and all that, we cant simply stop the hands of time and be happy of what were comfortable with at that given time . even in the US, a lot of people have already started to accept the ever changing face of america, no less than to some white people. we can only dream of our self imposed adage that “filipinos were like this before, what happened now?”. change my friend, change…its the only thing thats constant. just suck it in.
Jorson
To Pinoy Abroad
Vietnamese, Koreans, Japanese, Indians etc, etc don’t treat mix raced kids well. Amerisians kids in those countries grow up being ostracize. Filipinos love and prefer half white kids there in the Philippines and even here in the US. I forgot to mentioned I was in Manila recently and I overheard people commenting on Charice “She is pangit and dark” I could not believe what I just heard and they started clapping on some mestiza singer on a tv show who could not sing. GO figure. I’m from Silicon Valley, not far from Apple computers and Google headquarters.
Adrian
Perhaps one reason why we can’t find our true identity is because we don’t have one.
The term Filipino came into use after all the mini-kingdoms from the various island nations were conquered under the Spanish rule.
So in effect, we were colonial from the very beginning.
As for our societies ills, people seem to think that the democratic system will work for filipinos, and yet after more than 100 yrs of trying we are very much divided.
Marcos had the right idea but didn’t have the emotional strength to reign-in on Imelda. If only we had quality dictators like Lee Kuan Yew.
tob
Mahirap man tanggapin, ang mga Pinoy po sa States ay iba na ang pananaw sa Pinoy sa Pinas. Namulat na po sila sa racism at hindi na sila immersed sa Pinoy. Racism po ang tema ng pag-aaklas sa Kastila at nagwagi na po ang Pinoy kaya wala na po ito sa ating kultura. Sa ating hilig sa mga puti, hindi po kulay ang ating mga tinitignan. Kung babalikan po ninyo kung paano tayo ay naging Kristiyano, hindi po tayo pinilit. Nakita po ng mga katutubo ang Sto. Nino na ika nga eh “cute” kaya sila nagpabinyag. Katutubo pa lamang tayo yaon na po ang aesthetic sense natin. May ilang aesthetic sense po ay universal , katulad ng mga bilog na mga mata, malalantik na pilik-mata, katamtamang haba ng ilong (hindi po tangos - kaya po ako confident kahit na pango), kinis ng balat, at magandang hugis ng katawan. Sino ba naman ang aayaw sa maganda?
Sa Asya po, ang pagiging hispanic po ang national identity natin. Sa States po, ang pagiging asyano ang identity natin dahil marami pong hispanic dito.
Hindi po natin dapit hangarin na maging Pre-hispanic, dahil sila po ay may slavery.
Mapalad po tayo na ang ating nationalismo ay walang bahid ng racism, hindi tulad sa ibang bayan na ang kanilang nationalismo ay sa kanilang lahi, at kung susuriin ay mahirap sikmurain. Sa mga ganito pong mga lahi, mahirap nilang maunawaan ang nationalismo ng Pinoy. Sa mga lahi po, Pinoy po ang mas mahirap lagyan ng stereo type.
mang godo
Perhaps one reason why we can’t find our true identity is because we don’t have one.
says letter writer….
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It is really funny how a filipino cannot find his identity.
I met lot of people black, indians, whites, germans, chinese, koreans, mexicans, africans and so on, so forth.
They always ask” are you a filipino”, yes how come you know, i reply.
You look like one, we know, answer back.
If other people know that we are filipino, how come we don’t know that we are filipino.
My answer is …. plain hypocrisy..
You were born in the philippines, your mother is a filipino, your father is a filipino, then you are a filipino.
Enough of this nonsense, umasta kayong pilipino.
roger lasquite
uulitin ko muli ito upang maibahagi sa lahat ng nagbabasa dito,’isa sa nagustuhan ko at me magagandang matutunan e ang ‘aklat’ na,… Filipino Spiritual Culture Social Transformation and Globalization,magaganda ang mga naisulat dito,at ang mga nagsulat sa mga topic na marahil e napili nila o mga na-itoka para sa kanila.Magandang mapag-munihan yung ‘Bayang Sumisinta kay Maria:Pueblo Amante de Maria.ni Fr.Catalino G.Arevalo,S.J. at halos lahat ng mga naisulat e tutuong mapapa-isip ka ng malalim at sana e maraming makapag-basa at makapag-bahagi nito.At siguro nga e isa ito sa mga ‘highways n biways’ na magandang daan upang maibahgi sa iba ang magagandang mga babasahin na nakapagbibigay linaw sa mga katuangn natin,pang-sarili man at pang-kaluluwa at pambayan.Sa sinulat ni dating Pangulong Cory,Family,Spirituality,and the Filipino Sense of Nationhood,e maganda yung sinimulan niyang tanong:parang yung mga usapan dito:what does it mean to be a Filipino? What is it in our collective character that we take pride in?
Family,damayan o pakikiramay,lalo na sa mga liblib,ngunit sa karanasan ko e lalo na rin sa ibang bansa,’kagbi lang e kahit malayo e nakiramay kami sa kahit hindi namin kakilala,ngunit malapit sa isa naming kaibigan at kami pa ang nagdasal at pinag-gitara pa ako.’ at yung mga hindi nakarating e ayon.mga ganon din pala ang dahilan,mga pakikiramay,…at yun nga,kahit pa nga kung minsan e me mga pumipigil sa atin,marahil iba ang paniniwala nila o hindi ayon sa ating mga sariling…e lahat ito ay nawawala at pag-ibig at ang hindi maipaliwanag na kung ano na lang ang ating pinanghahawakan…at yun na nga dahil siguro ka-babayan o kalahi natin.
Jean Cepas
“As a people, we’ve always been highly relational and participatory. We are not innately individualistic and authority-centered as the Americans are—as we’ve been trying to be. That’s why most of us don’t follow traffic rules, and we throw our trash where the sign says we shouldn’t—because we’re not used to simply being told what to do by some “other.” Instead, we’re geared towards co-creation and cooperation when setting goals and accomplishing tasks. But sadly, these qualities have not graduated into a civic consciousness. (Not to mention that) we have absolutely no national consciousness.”–
Very True indeed! Added that one of the Philippine president once said “It is better to live in a government run like hell by Filipinos than living in a government run like heaven by the Americans.-Manuel L. Quezon”
shows the rebellious nature of the Filipino mindset. We should have been better off being America’s 51st state. Each of us needs to cultivate good values and national consciousness and we must remember that sometimes to make our society functional means limiting our own individual freedom. In nature and in reality we just cannot do whatever we want. Education plays a central role for a fully functional and responsible society.
Pinoy Abroad
Hey Jorson,
Who cares if you’re from Silicon Valley not far from apple computer and google? That doesn’t make you someone special. Your just a wannabe from San Jose, California and I don’t have to figure out because I’m from Mountain View and that doesnt make me special at all. I dont have “delusion of grandeuse” like what your manifesting right now. Your afraid to identify your true nationality but your spelling and grammar construction can’t help but reveal you’re a desperate, frustrated, dark skinned Filipino who had bouts of traumatic experience with Filipino mestizo’s and mestiza’s…he he he. Not to mention your biased rationale against US minorities with mixed races particularly Filipinos.
O di ba?
elaine
but the lecturer still didn’t answer the question..why should we be proud of being filipino?? his answers though good answers are nothing to be proud of.. i mean.. yeah we get along well with others, we’re considerate and such…
but still would that help us getting a job better than a call center agent??
for one..im not proud being filipino..as a nationality/race (a collective group) there’s nothing to be proud of.
sometimes when people ask me here in NZ…whether im chinese, malay, thai or filipino..i answer…i’m a human being who do good things and it has nothing to do with my nationality.
roger lasquite
so,ano baga ang batayan natin ng pagiging Filipino,magandang trabaho,magandang bahay,kotse,biyahe???,…ngayon e maraming nangyayari,,sa ekonomiya,sa Amerika at tila buong mundo na,isa sa magandang obserbahan e yung sa Amerika at kung paano ito nila ina-areglo,lalo na mga malalaking kompanya na GM,Chrysler,at iba pa,at ang mga Union,at ang California,bagsak din,sabi ni Gov. at sa ibang bansa,sa Toronto strike din ang mga basurero,at ilang araw pa at mangangamoy na raw ang syudad,at ang kapuna-puna e …tahimik,kakaibang katahimikan,…walang pira,…ang marami marahil!!! ako din,ha,ha pero ok lang,dapat naman talaga e simpli lang, maki-isa sa hinihingi ng pagkakataon….kaya lang kawawa talaga pag-wala ka,lalo na ang walang pirmehang trabaho,at kung pambili lang ng bigas e wala,ok na ang toyo ulam,o de-sabog,o sabog ng asin sa mainit na kanin,ang dinuguan naman e,toyo,na ilalagay din sa kanin,at katawa-tawa o naging biruan,pero tutuo at nangyayari…sa napakaraming kababayan.Kung minsan e mapapa-isip ka at oo sige lang tuloy ang mga proyektong nasimulan na at hanggang kaya e suporta,GK,at mga iba pa,ngunit pag-nababasa at nalalaman mo ang mga ,bilyong mga gastos sa tila hindi naman dapat O aksaya lang ng mga nasa pamahalaan e,NAKAPANGHIHINA.dahil isipin mong kung ilang bahay ang pwedeng ma-itayo sa mga perang nauubos sa mga tila kapritso na ng iilan…at eto o nagagawa na nga lang e ipag-dasal sila at umasa na…o hindi drama ito,tutuo…at kailangan.
elaine
to dohdong and PinoyGarcon, i have to agree that if only filipinos didn’t label each other as bisaya or tagalog we would develop a national identity more.
but sadly that is not the case..with tagalog speaking people particularly from the capital looking down on us (im from cebu) with statements like… “do you even have malls in cebu??”
which has resulted in my aversion to the tagalog dialect for this very reason that most tagalog speaking people i have met are quite narrow-minded. (i am not the only person to have been asked this…almost all my friends (some from zamboanga and cagayan de oro) who went to study in the big universities in manila have been ask at one point by their classmates whether we even have a mall or restos in the “province” and being labelled as provinciano in a not very nice way… (we are from the province but what the tagalog people are trying to implying is that we are backward) is quite hurtful and even racist.
that is why we(my friends and i) speak english when speaking to a tagalog speaking person because we are not comfortable speaking in tagalog..english is OUR second language even if tagalog is the national language..it is not OUR first language nor OUR second language.
and another reason is that we want to show that we as people from the province are not backward..our english is better than most tagalog speaking person without the conyo accent.
i know this will offend people from tagalog speaking regions but it is quite true that alot of people from this regions are quite narrow-minded (not all) and have not even bothered to travel outside luzon except well to boracay..to even take time to know the other parts of the philippines and are quite ignorant of the people living outside the confines of luzon.
thus the term imperialist manila…. with this mentality…how the hell do you think we can develop a national consciousness when even within our country there is no respect for people who do not speak the national language.
Reed
The Spanish called this country Pilipinas.
What was this country called before the Spanish came?
I have been pulling out Philippines history books from the library shelves but have not found a book that answered my question. If someone out there can recommend a good history book about the Philippines, I’ll be much oblige.
tob
Sa totoo lang, hindi tayo dapat maging proud bilang Pilipino, ang higit na dapat ay ay magkaroon tayo ng DIGNITY bilang Pilipino. Ang pride po ay kayabangan, ang dignity po ay ang mas “astig” na katauhan.
tob
Pero kung tatanungin ako kung ano ang maaari nating ipagmalaki - mula sa mga ibang lahi na nakadaupang palad ko, malaki ang paghanga nila sa People Power sa EDSA
roger lasquite
nung araw mga -60’s to 70′ e isa sa tampuhan yan ng mga kababayan namin sa isang bayan sa Laguna,pag ikaw e taga-ibayiw kung tawagin noon,nagtatampo talaga,at lahat naman e me mga kamag-anak doon at karamihan e minsan ding tumira o naglagi doon,ngayon e ang tawag na e taga-kanluran,at alam ko hanggang ngayon e ,me mga tampo pa rin ang iba at ibinubuhos nila sa paglahok sa pulitika,at syempre me mga banta rin ng paghiwalay sa kabayanan,pero sa paglipas ng panahon e,marahil masasabi naman na walang nag-iisip ng kaiba o ni hindi naman sila itinuturing na iba,at sila lang ang nag-iisip nito,dahil lahat naman e abala lang sa mga kanya-kanyang buhay,at ngayon e medyo hindi na ito masyadong isyu,ngunit pag-me eleksyon e muli at minsan pa e sila e ayaw ng bumoto sa mga taga-bayan at yung mga taga-kanila lang ang ibinoboto,at ang mga taga-bayan naman e hindi ito ginagawa sa kanila,so bakit kaya? so kung pambansa e me hawig din at panahon lang ang nakakapag-hilom ng kung ano man ang mga nakaraan.
Pinoy Abroad
tob,
okay nga sana yung kauna-unahang people power sa edsa kaya lang mukhang nawalan din ng saysay….kaya hindi ko alam kung maipagmamalaki ko o hinde
boy tagalog
elaine,
pasensiya ka na sa mga tagalog. mapang-lait talaga ang karamihan sa amin pero hindi naman lahat. nung maliit ako, kapag sinabing bisaya ang papasok agad sa isip ko ay mga housemaid at construction worker. pero nagbago na ang panahon. maraming matagumpay na pilipino na nagmula sa ibat-ibang panig ng bansa lalo na sa kabisayaan at marami ang mas mayayaman pa sa taga-maynila. be proud of yourself if your from the visaya’s kasi mas maraming magagandang babae sa bisaya, o di ba? thats why i married one. and thats true, my ilonga ang cebuana friends are fluent in english. regional accent doesnt matter. dedma nyo na lang yung mga mata-pobreng tagalog. tulad nga ng nasabi ko, marami akong kaibigan na nagmula sa ibat-ibang panig ng kapuluan at wala naman akong naging kaaway. until now i keep in touch with them and i treasure the friendship we have had. siguro nasa tao din yan.
iyo karpo
Before the Spaniards came, there was the Luzon in the North. Manila was a Muslim kingdom of the Majapahit Empire that included Muslim parts of Malaysia and Indonesia.
The southern part was Visayan islands and Mindanao. People in these islands were part of the Buddhist and Pagan Sri Vishayan Empire.
Shri Vishayan empire included Madagascar, Non-Muslim Indonesia and Polynesian islands. Malagasy, Bahasa, and Visayan dialects have similar words
Diwata
To Reed #61:
The Greeks called the Philippines as “Golden Chersonese”, together with the rest of the Malay Archipelago.
The Chinese called Luzon as “Liu-sung”, Palawan as “Pa-lao-yu”, Mindanao as “Min-to-lang”, and Mindoro as “Ma-yi”.
The Indians call the Philippines as “Suvarnadvipa”.
The Malays called Manila as “Seludong”, and Luzon as “Tanah Manile”.
The Hindu kingdoms of Indonesia and Mainland Southeast Asia called the Philippines as “Mahardlika”.
MATTHEW T
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090423163410AAkAsY1
noypi1234
There is nothing bad about trying hard to speak like an American.
Wayne Bernier
As the last line of the last song the Beatles sang as a foursome goes “And, in the end, the love you take/ Is equal to the love you make.”
The natural outpouring of love for his or her neighbour is what makes a Filipino special. It is an automatic reaction that in most of the world today has disappeared.
As another song says -”what the world needs now is love sweet love..” the actions of the Filipino worldwide helps blot up the selfishness so prevalent in our day.
In North America, Filipino workers are highly sought after for their cheery disposition, willingness to work well for long hours and command of the English language.
It is, however, a crying shame that many Filipino families have only a single parent with fathers and mothers away from his or her beloved family. This in a country that has such a high regard for family life and respect for elders makes this doubly troublesome. Your loss is our gain and for that we are very grateful.
What the world truly needs now are more smiling and diligent Filipinos and thanks to the Church of Rome we should have many millions more in the very near future!
Jorson
To PinoyAbroad
You are one amazing person. How can you read someones opinion and then know where someone resides and looks like? You must be physic. Can you post the winning lottery # I need some money. I’m mix quarter Filpino on my mom side. Her family came here in the early 1900’s to pick fruits and vegetables in Watsonville and Salinas. My dad is a mut he has 6 nationalities in him. I’m not dark more towards light skin. I live in Cupertino and sometimes in Santa Clara but not San Jose. You know I’m guessing you’re a FOB, you remind of my Filipino friends in school who were “Fresh Of the Boat” they were stickler for grammar and spelling. It drove them crazy that some of the professor can’t spell and write. It was amusing but then I could be wrong.
corey
@elaine: im also from cebu, and regarding what you said about the tagalog speaking pinoy to be racist against other pinoy from visayas and mindanao is very true.!
however, i think this kind of attitude transcends the language barrier to simply just associations. like for example against education bg(what college a person graduated from or is studying), frat or org memberships, relatives, residence, etc..
so how can we help to make(ourselves and other people) feel better about being pinoy?
for me, after i started earning. i have this project of supporting kids from my hometown to study in the nearby public high school. and encourage some friends to do similar personal projects.
or we could also support national or local service projects such as or similar to gawad kalinga and that sort.
serve your fellowmen. be of service even in small ways..and im sure, youll be proud to be a pinoy.!
@People Power sa EDSA: havent witnessed it. i know it made us famous for a while but i thikn it did not do any major changes in the phils. like for example, ramos even became pres(who left marcos’ party when it was just about to collapse). enrile, etc among other people..
PinoyGarçon
To Elaine..Thats accurate and true. We as a people have a lot of prejudices against our countrymen from other tribes, provinces or regions. We need to see the big picture here, that means loooking at the person not who he/she is culturally, but what are his/her potentials. Another problem why we do not have unity is our many different languages or dialects. We find it difficult to get our messages across different diverging cultures. If we stick to our own dialects, we dont get as may audiences as possible and also we create cultural bias. People who do not speak our language have difficulty understanding us resulting to MISCOMMUNICATION! Our government should start institutionalizing English as our national language with Spanish as one of our second languages. Other country admires filipino competence in the English language that’s why filipino doctors, nurses and seamen’s are highly sought and highly paid compared to other Asian nationalities. The important message here is that, a language devoid of any cultural biases is needed for a functional society.
tob
Ang EDSA I po ay kontribusyon ng Pinoy sa buong mundo. Ipinakita po dito na kaya nating magkaisa. Ipinakita dito na nais natin ng pagbabago at demokrasya ngunit kukunin natin ito hindi sa marahas na paraan. Ipinakita rin dito na ang ating mga kawal ay may konsiyensiya.
Naging gabay ang EDSA I sa maraming bansa na nagnanais sa demokrasya. May isang bayan sa Kanluran na gumaya rito at nagtagumpay. Gumaya dito ang Tsina kaya sila nagkaroon ng Tiananmen massacre, nabigo silang magkaroon ng demokrasya ngunit nakinig ang buong mundo sa kanilang pakikipaglaban kaya’t hindi na ganoon kahigpit ang kanilang pamahalaan. Nakikita ko ito ngayon sa nangyayaring paghihimagsik na tinaguriang Twitter sa Iran.
Tagumpay po ang EDSA I, dahil malaki po ang pagbabago sa Pilipinas. Noon po bawal ang freedom of information kaya po tayo ay wala gaanong telepono. Bawal din noon ang freedom of travel, ngunit ngayon ang Pinoy po ay naglipana sa buong mundo. Ito pong usapan natin ngayon ay masasabing subersibo noong panahon na yaon.
Marami ang naging tawag sa akin dahil hindi mahulaan ang aking mukha, lahat ng tawag na ito ay tila ba isang pag-aglahi ngunit yaong lamang nagtanong sa akin kung ako ba ay galing sa bayan na pinagmulan ng People Power ang tila ba nagbigay puri sa akin.
Pinoy Abroad
to Jorson.
“well, well, well… eh di umamin ka rin na may dugong pinoy ka. marami ka pang pautot” and you even insulted people from your own heritage. you tend to criticize and generalize in contradiction to your bloodline. next time, dont generalize if you yourself is the subject of your hipocrisy. look at the blogs you posted and see how shallow and ironic it sound. and correction, im not FOB i got off from the plane, he he he and i’m one “proud dugong” pinoy sa america. get me? he he he…
Pinoy Abroad
hey Jorson,
i hope you wont mind but let me make some correction on your spelling…its psychic not physic…he he he
roger lasquite
kwento ko ke Mrs ko habang nagkakape kami,e nakatuwa nga naman,e kaming mag-asaw naman eisang bayan,pero ibaba at ilay naman,ako sa ilaya,malapit sa plaza,simbahan munisipyo,paaralan (at kung private at public e tamptuhan din e Maryknoll pa ang high school) at pambayang swimming pool,so syempre marami kaming activities,laruan,at mga palabas,at lagi sa simbahan,sakristan at kung ano-ano pa…at syempre marunong kami lumangoy,o karamihan at kaya me mga joke nga na,pag hindi marunong lumangoy e sasabihan ka ng “sa lahat ng taga-ilaya e yan lang ang hindi marunong lumangoy”, nung mga bata pa kami e me mga away ng kabataan,at noon e ‘espadahan pa’ ha,ha dahil lagi kaming me- komedya- at ang mga espada e mga sanga ng puno,at me mga kabayo pang kawaya,at yung mga me espadang gamit sa komedya e yun ang dala nila pag-me away,ha,ha,e syempre mga bata pero,lusuban din,at pag-nagtagpo,e ‘buno’ lang at takot ding magka-banatan,e marami e magkakamag-anak din naman e, at pag malala na e ‘tawag na ang mga Ina-Ina,at ayun lahat e ,’mura’ e katataray noong araw,’ nawala na yon,nahilig naman sa basketball,at ibaba-ilaya pa rin,ha,ha,hanggang ngayon pa rin yata,kaya lang,marami raw maganda sa ibaba at marami naman kaming pogi sa ilaya,ha,ha,kaya kami ang mga bf nila pati mga muse ng mga teams,kaya away pa rin,ha,ha,pero,ang ilan e me-hurts pa rin talaga,at wag mong uungkatin at lilitaw lahat,…so nagtira ako doon sa ibaba,taga-roon asawa ko e,at matagal bago ako ibinilang na taga-roon,at ang nangyari e ilaya naman ang nag-selos sa akin,ha,ha,sabi ko tuloy sino baga ako? so muli panahon pa rin at yung personal transformation.At saan o …? sarap lang po magbalik ala-ala at alam ko me natutunan…ako,at sana kayo rin.
Man from Manila
To Elaine and Corey,
In fairness to the tagalog speaking kababayans, not all of them are arrogant about their regional stature. I understand how some tagalogs look down on people from the south because of their accent and difficulty speaking in tagalog but that doesnt mean southerners are lesser people compared to tagalogs. Were all humans and excuse my language but our s#it smells the same. We all have our strengths and weaknesses, short of saying our regional differences. Dont get me wrong but some people from Mindanao and Visaya’s are arrogant too but most are nice. Its true that students from Ateneo De Manila may be regarded differently from Ateneo de Davao or De La Salle Taft vice La Salle Bacolod but once again, it all boils down to perception or it could be the other way around. Maybe some people from the south regard themselves as lesser in regional stature and thats why it settles in their mindset (when in fact some tagalogs admire them and look up to them). I maybe right or I may be wrong but just a thought.
kasoy
it’s easy for this generation of pinoys to have varying degrees of identity crisis. with a shattered past of culture-altering colonizations, we are somewhat the abused children of these raped islands. and so, commonly to abused kids we have a confused idea (or lack thereof) of who we truly are. being ingglisera/o or someone who snubs something filipino by virtue over something imported is one of its hurtful stigmas. since we as a people have endured mixed cultures, it is best that we take advantage of it by picking out the best each culture can offer. for instance, we can take the spanish quality of delicadeza but leave the manana habit; we can take the ifugao quality of hardwork and mix it with the japanese quality of disciplined respect for others. instead of being confused copy-cat kids, we should approach living globally as a splendid, versatile, talented, and unique people. this will define today’s pinoys. this will give us back our pride.
rodolfo calderon
the Singaporeans did not go through a soul-searching quest for their “true identity”. They simply did the practical things that were necessary to lift themselves from being a nation living on an island swamp into a major financial and export center.
We have so much learning, too little common sense. As the present U.S. President says, we need to do “whatever works,” not debate endlessly about lofty “principles” or “goals.”
If we had built infrastructure and focused on pragmatic policies to enable competitive business to flourish, instead of talking endlessly about ideals, we probably wouldn’t have the millions of Filipinos abroad, separated from family, to make a living. They’d be right here working in agriculture, industry and tourism.
tob
G. Calderon
Hindi po natin kailangan gayahin ang Singapore dahil sila po ay diktadura. Dalawa po ang ekonomiya sa bansa, isa po ang bagsak na official economy, at ang underground economy na bumubuhay sa mga tao. Sa official economy po natin pinipilit magkaisa ang bayan, subalit sa underground po nagtatagumpay dahilan dito malaya ang diskarte. Ang pilit na pagkontrol sa negosyo ay naglalagay ng red tape at pinagmumulan ng mga suhol.
Ang suliranin po ay ang pamumuno. Kung marahil ang mga mag-aaral na lumuwas sa kamaynilaan upang maglinang ay babalik sa lalawigan ay magkakaroon ng maraming magagaling na pinuno at sabay-sabay na aahon ang bayan. Marami akong nakasama sa boarding house na mga may tinapos, ngunit nagtitiis maging tindera sa mga mall sa Maynila dahil sa kakapusan ng mapagtratrabahuhan, gayung mataas ang kanilang magiging katungkulan sa kanilang lalawigan. Marami tayong kayamanang tao ngunit naiipon sa kamaynilaan dahil sa ningning ng siyudad.
Kris
to elaine:
These Tagalog folks are ignorant on what is going on… Magmata nalang ni sila ug buntag, nag-lain natang mga bisaya.
Ayaw lang ug kabalaka kay ang mga tagawog, dili maka libak nato.
Sakto ka, ayaw jud pag tingawog. Kay usa na ka inutil nga pinulungan.
Reed
To Diwata:
Thanks for the link. I think I also found titles of Philippines history books that look interesting.
I have never been in the past had an interest in learning my roots. I guess it’s not too late to start.
To kasoy:
Amen
roger lasquite
at kaya nga po siguro e …eto patuloy pa ang ating pag-rerepair…nagsisikap muling ma-discover,o magaantay baga tayo uli ng ibang Magellan,o nariyan na,hindi lang natin pinapansin at mas-marami ngayon,…at siguro e harapin natin ang mga umi-iral na hindi magaganda,tulad ng indibidwalismo o puro sarili lang,konti-konti lang at ok na o yung minimalist baga! yung tama na ang aking nagawa,yung akala e subra-subra na at ano pa,kaya nalimutan ko,sa susunod na lang…o baka bukas po muli,…ngunit bago yun e ,ituloy natin ang pagdarasal,para sa bayan at sa mga kababayan at mga pinuno na maging tapat at tutuong pagmamahal sa bayan at kababayan ang maghari sa kanilang mga puso at isipan, at mga karaniwang kababayan maging ligtas habang mga nagsisikap lamang makapamuhay ng maayos.
adoborepublican
May gusto sana akong i-share sa inyo tungkol sa isang blogger na gumawa ng series regarding being Pinoy and his (I’m assuming he’s male) take on trully being Pinoy. Kaso nga lang the author daw is busy at the moment kaya matagal-tagal nya na rin di na-update ang blog nya. I could say the blogger was really frustrated at times with his observations on what we have become (colonial mentality, morals, patriotism, etc.). Pero heto yung site so you could judge for yourselves:
http://sites.google.com/site/pointofview2009/Home
Maganda yung ibang mga points at analogies nya eh. Too bad he “paused” updating the blog for a long while na.
Just sharing lang po. Hope you guys enjoy it as much as i did.
Mike
Ayoko na sana patulan ang post na ito, tsaka yung mga iba-ibang opinyon na naglabasan sa thread. Ang manunulat na ito ay di hamak na may identity crisis sa pagiging Pinoy at nagtatanong kung bakit kailangan pa kasing maging proud maging Pinoy.
Why do we need to be proud to be Pinoy?
My answer to that, do we need any reason, really?
Whether we speak Tagalog or English doesn’t matter.
People will discriminate wherever you go. I’ve lived in London for a while now, and if you think people from Manila discriminate, you should come away and live abroad - that should open your eyes to what life is like away from the Philippines.
Corruption, discrimination, Manila imperialism, it’s all well and good that we discuss these things…
But the one important thing we should all ask ourselves is..
What can we do for our country?
How can we change things?
Small things, big things, whatever, it doesn’t matter, action is way better than complaining or reciting the long colonial and post-colonial history we’ve had.
I am going back home to make a difference.
What’s your excuse?
elaine
to the man in manila, sadly..you didn’t get the point i was making maybe because YOU ARE A MAN FROM IMPERIALIST MANILA!!
it is not about arrogance..it is not about superiority or inferiority.
but about taking the time to get to know someone’s else culture and be respectful by making culturally sensitive statements.
like my example….question like do you even have malls?? …that question alone though shallow… has a lot of meaning. it says that people from the capital or tagalog speaking people for that matter do not take the time to learn what is outside their boundaries.
whereas we, the people from the southern islands, we learn about the capital.. we learn about everything there is to know from whichever way we can. we try to fit in by speaking your talk.. so you would understand us even with our bisaya accented tagalog..but what do you guys have to say to us? …do you even have malls? … do you get my point?
it is you guys who have the superiority complex and not us.. though some maybe arrogant but it is because they see the people asking them these kind of questions..ignorant/insensitive/
narrowminded…and you wonder why we don’t join in protests and such. it is because most things that concern you..the laws that have been made… almost everything in the philippines has no regard for the people in the south…even the national language was made without thought to the greater population of the philippines.
and i didn’t mention anything about regional stature nor do i care about our shit smelling the same.
you completely missed the point.. to be a nation united. we must at least show respect to each other. and we could do that by being culturally sensitive, by being aware that we do not live in a bubble and that other people exist/ to take time to learn about them..to find a commonality without looking down on others. i’m saying that most tagalog speaking people (not all) do not do this.. thus such culturally insensitive statements.. cause southerners like us.. we make it a point at least once in our life to go to the capital..to see what it is all about.. but you tagalog people all you care about is boracay… which doesn’t even feel like the philippines anymore.
do you finally get me man in manila??
We are all even more dysfunctional now: Tita Cory, Ate Glo, Madam Imelda and the whole “Filipino pride” debate « GUERILLA GEEK BLOGGER
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tob
to Geek,
Tapatin na po natin ang sinasabi nating dysfunctional pinoy, baka ang ibig sabihin natin dysfunctional manilan. Kung amerikano ka o hapon o tsino o anuman, dysfunctional ang manila. Kung bisaya ka, ilokano, tagalog o anuman, dysfunctional ang manila. Walang makakaunawa sa manila kundi taga manila. nagmula ito noong katutubo pa lamang tayo, rehiyon = tribo. Sa mga gustong maging tribo, hindi po naalis ang pagka-katutubo natin, ang politika natin ay katutubo pa rin kaya nga may guns, goons, and gold, buhay na buhay pa rin sa politika ang warlordism at political dynasties. Kaya hindi tayo nagkakaroon ng magagaling na mga pinuno ay natagakot silang mapatay ng mga political warlords. Ang lagayan po ay katutubo, dahil noong unang panahon, anuman ang kailangan mong gawin ay kailangang ipaalam sa datu at kailangan mong maglagay sa datu. Ngayon naglalagay tayo sa mga politiko at mga kawani ng pamahalaan. Ang suliranin ay hindi ang pagiging kanluranin, kundi ayaw natin bitawan ang mga masasamang ugali. Pamimirata po ay katutubo, ngayon makikita ninyo ang mga pulis na nanghihingi ng tong sa daan.
Ang mga taga maynila po ay hindi taal sa maynila at karamihan ay hindi taal na tagalog. Sila po ay nagmula sa iba’t ibang lugar sa bansa. Bakit sila nasa maynila? Dahil ayaw nila sa kanilang lalawigan. Kaya kung ikaw ay galing sa lalawigan, huwag ka nang umasa ng sensitivity sa taga-maynila na galing din sa iyong lalawigan.
Iba po ang kultura ng maynila sa lahat ng lalawigan. Likas po dito ang panglalait. Dito po ay naglipana ang mga manloloko kaya ang depensa ng mga tao ay ang panlalait upang sila ay hindi maloko. Huwag na huwag kayong magsasabi ng kasinungalingan o kayabangan at lalaitin kayo sa maynila. Kaya kung galing kayo sa lalawigan at magtutungo kayo sa manila, ihanda na ninyo ang inyong dibdib sa sama ng loob
roger lasquite
o sa iba e ‘ethics’ daw at sana e lumakas ang loob na magsalita o sabihin kung mali o tama ang ginagawa ng iba,…masay ang usapan at tutuo sa mga nasa-ibayong dagat e makalilibang,…at pag nalalaman natin ang mga kalagayan e nakakalakas ng loob,sa mga maraming karanasan,at lalo na kung halos lahat ng uri ng tao sa buong daigdig e halos nakasalamuha mo na,sa trabaho,sa mga sosyalan,sa simbahan,at minsan e matatakot ka at mag-aalalang baka hindi ka ok doon,at me pagkakataon pa nga na ini-isip mo na baka hindi mo ma-take yung pagkain nila,lalo na’t bago mo lang nakita,at isa sa talagang mahirap e yung magka-intindihan,sa mga pag-iinglis,ha,ha, at yung,laging reklamo o kwento ng aking asawa,e ‘propesyonalismo raw!!!,e kaya lang,kasama niya sa trabaho at hindi raw naman talaga,o kaya yung style e ganon na nga,at pag-me mga mabigat na nangyari naman e,parang tayo rin,kadamay at kung sila man e dadamayan mo na rin,at sasabihin
e,mabait naman,talaga lang ganon sila…kaya biruan na rin lang,at ibang joke tulad natin e hindi rin masakyan pero,yun pala,e sinasabi rin sa mga kalahi nila,’…at joke din lang naalala ko yung ‘walang mall’,ha,ha biro lang po ha? ‘yung anak naman namin ,3 wks bakasyon,…punta norte,malayo almost 7 hrs daw drive,,e musta?tanong nung mommy,…ok Mom,it’s nice n so quiet,so peaceful,6:00 pm,tulugan na! and o but it’s really a mountain,o we are in the mountain,ha,ha so,pasok yung joke,’ask him if they have ‘family size’ softdrinks?-… o yung pag-sinabing how far,e sabi,eeee e magmaluto ka na!…so ganyan pa rin nga siguro tayo,marami pang kakaning bigas!!! at ayan muli me mga oportunidad tayo,at dapat muling mag-muni at mag-obserba,’ano baga talaga ang ating nais o ano baga ang mga dapat para sa atin,…oo nga naman,matapos na matikman ang malalaking-bahay,ang magandang mga sasakyan,maka-biyahe, at ang mga pinagsikapang mga proteksyon sa pagtanda,e tila…??? at kaya ok na rin ang simpli,”o ika nga sa daily ref’n ko “my love and faith in God may become simple–as in, “not limited or restricted” ,napunta rin sa…Be shrewd as serpents and simple as doves.(Matthew 10:16) wow so,ayan isip uli tayo!!! at tutuo luluhod at uusal ka rin ng ‘iyong sariling Panalangin,pakikipag-usap,ng one on one! sa KANYA!
Man from Manila
To Elaine,
Well, I feel sorry for you…obviously your heart is full of anger, cynicism and hostility towards tagalog speaking people. I tend to put things in perspective and you dont. I respect people from the south, fellow tagalogs as well as other regional cultures in our country but your heart is full of hatred against tagalogs. Cant blame you coz we think differently. It seems that you really had a bad experience with tagalogs. Have you been mistreated, humiliated, beaten up or what not by the tagalogs? Did your tagalog boyfriend left you for good? tsk tsk tsk..well just live with it then. That stigma of being looked down as a “bisaya” will remain because you consciously confined yourself to it as your personal paradigm. Thats sad. Next time dont generalize because you cant speak for the entire visayan speaking people and of course not even for the tagalogs. Your excuses are your own. You speak of respect and recognition of other culture but are you capable of walking your talk? Take a second look at your statement…
elaine says;
“but about taking the time to get to know someone’s else culture and be respectful by making culturally sensitive statements.”
The way you sound in your blog is a clear contradiction to your above statement.
How can you speak of integrity or credibility here?
My advice is that whatever the tagalogs perceived you to be, suck it in because thats how you think. Get me?
gutz
I grew up surrounded by books in English written by both Filipinos and foreign authors. I studied in the best schools in the country. I teach chemistry in English. You could say I write and speak decent English (I even say my prayers and confession in English). Ten years ago, I moved to the United States to teach in a public school and though my English was grammatically correct, my students could tell right away from my accent that I did not grow up in the US. But it did not bother them a bit. My accent is still Filipino and I do not care. My American students can understand me and have not made any complaint about my accent. But some of my friends back in Manila seem puzzled and even disappointed that even after a decade of teaching in the US, I have not acquired “THE” twang. Funny how our colonial mindset also distinguishes between the Pinoy way of speaking “perfect” English and the “better” and more “sosyal” way of speaking English with an American twang.
Dan Barfield
I agree with all that has been said here. Although I am not Filipino my wife (asawa) is. We have often talked of these things and I have tried to understand her approach to being Filipina, without much success. Too often it seems she feels she would be a better person if she but had a “white” skin and big nose…..
Personally, I have always found the Filipino people to be a delightful people, full of love and kindness, and wonderfully free of the vices of the “western” world. It baffles me that there is not a huge swelling of pride in being Filipino.
tirador
elaine
i agree with mike and man from manila. kahit saan ka nga naman pumunta eh may discrimination pero hindi naman lahat eh ganun ang pananaw. unfair nga naman mag-generalize especially if you try to speak or preach unity and goodwill in your blog among filipinos no matter what part of the country they originate from. pero ikaw mismo, kung puro galit at hinanakit ang nasa puso at isip mo eh mahihirapan kang mag-move on or ma-achieve ang ang pagiging respectful to other culture or be culturally sensitive kasi you still have those bias and prejudices in your own system.
Gemma Lecaros-Viola
My husband is from Manila and I’m from Bacolod. His family and my family have been getting along very well since we got married. I have 2 kids who are proud of their Ilonggo heritage and since their dad is from Quezon City, they consider themselves as tagalogs as well. My husband I would say is now becoming fluent in Ilonggo and he loves to spend our family vacation in Bacolod. What we taught our children is to have a progressive mindset to treat people equal and to celebrate the richness of our diversity and our culutural differences. I speak Ilonggo and understand Cebuano but it never came to me that tagalog speaking people who were originally from Manila look down on me. I respect them and I treat them well and it seems that they admire my sincerity and level headedness. So to speak on behalf of all the visayan speaking people that we felt insulted and looked down upon by tagalogs is an overstatement. Everyones’ circumstances and way of thinking is different. Sometimes you have to think outside the box so people can understand you better. No offense to Ms. Elaine.
Dan Wilson
Talaga namang maraming hambog sa Maynila eh! Kala mo sila lang ang may malalaking mall at magagaling mag-ingles. Pero sa totoo lang Maynila ang pugad ng kasamaan.
marclloyd
Interesting article. Interesting responses. Some comments tend to show how dysfunctional Pinoys truly are. Some reveal the totally erroneous misconceptions and incorrect generalizations held by the sender (e.g., we Filipinos are ashamed of our looks). Others present keen observations one can only agree with, like the comments from Tirador, Fwd Phils & may chokshi.
Pinoy Garcon hit it right in the head when he asserted:
“If we want a single genuine Filipino identity then we must forget that we are Ilocanos, Bisayans, Ifugaos, Igorots, Tagalogs etc, and we must forget that our countrymen are Ilocanos, Bisayans, Igorots, Ifugaos, Tagalogs etc.”
Hopefully, God will soon raise for us a righteous leader to purge all the evil and disunity that pervades the land. Let’s pray for our country.
tokwa
puro drama ang mga blog dito. debateng walang ka torya-torya. kung ikaw ay proud pinoy kahit bisay ka man o tagalog o ilokano, well and good. kung marami ka namang ayaw sa pagiging pinoy, so be it. ang importante eh mamuhay tayo ng maayos at irespeto ang ating kapwa.
r .santos
filipino is unique, we have a silent identity as filipinos that no one knew about it…and i think it true.no matter how you hide it.even your a cebuanos tagalogs, ilocanos.muslims or cristians. this is base only on my true expereince , i remember when kevin rudd having a campaign for prime minister of australia. together with senator carr. i was sitting on my chair alone having a tea break ; he come to me straigh together with midia people at that time. he said to me your a filipino with a smile…i said yes..i’m a filipino. and ask him back; how do you know i’m filipino. HE SAID, i know if your’e filipino with a smile. he said to me i’m kevin. i ‘m _ _ _ _ _ _ !YES it’s remind your name from famous filipina actress GLORIA _ _ _ _ _ i love filipino movies he reply with a smile , oh.. thanks for that! i said see you mate. our identity as a filipino is now in every corner of the world ..LIKE COLUMBUS IN THE OLDEN DAYS THEY SAIL THEIR SHIP OUT ON THE OPEN SEA TAKE YEARS TO CIRCLE THE EARTH. BUT NOW YOU CAN CIRCLE THE EARTH WITHIN 24 HOURS THAT HOW FAST WE ARE. IF FILIPINO IS KEEPING LOOKING BACKWARD FOR THOSE ALL S_ _TS we are going nowhere sorry to say.. to those who are very proud cebuanos good luck TRY CEBU PASPORT IF YOU CAN GET OUT OF PHILIPPINES. I USED MY PHILIPPINES AND IT’S WORKS AND MY HERITAGES IS FILIPINO. I BELIEVE FILIPINOS AS ONE… ONE NATION.,ONE COUNTRY,. ONE PEOPLE.. use the tip of your pen this coming election 2010 you got every rigths to prove it,,,
Mel Passion
I find this article an absolute dodgy…
Can you be happy for filipino expats progressing globally.
Filipinos blend with different cultures abroad and they adapt every language very well. Is there anything wrong with it.
Chill out and be happy.
John C.
Over all nice piece of talk - thought provoking for sure. Id say do not knock yourself down or so it seems for being well educated and well travelled.. it is a great gift from your parents or your own efforts. I love the English language myself and I continue to get charmed by it at a tender age of 55 yet I don’t feel it is not out of a so-called colonial mentality.. it is nothing but a label — my love of the language is driven by it’s own merit.. plain and simple it is a great language. I cannot say that with the Filipino language which is mainly based in Tagalog and as an Ilonggo who speaks fluent Cebuano better than Tagalog, I really do not have the incentive to use it since even among my relatives in Manila we talk mostly in English with mixture of Ilonggo or Cebuano. So there it has to be value-driven and there is no value to use Filipino as an individual who can not rely on the government help for his or her advancement.
National identity as a Filipino? Yup we are defined by the continued corruption in the government and the constant struggle of all those who would do anything anywhere in the world to survive because there is nothing to be had in a country that is now in the hands of the same select few and their descendants. Let us not delude ourselves that there is so much to be proud of in the Philippines. It may appear to have kept up with the modern world but credit that to those who have left for better pastures.
I have travelled myself and deep down I am so proud of every Filipino who tries to do his or her best to make b etter place for his or her family.
Until real changes happened in the Philippines where our women do not have rush to Hongkong, Singapore or elsewhere as maids.. I can only be proud of the Filipino spirit but I will keep it to myself for the most part.
tob
Imposibleng baguhin ang ugali ng Pinoy, dahil imposibleng baguhin ang ugali ng sinumang tao. Kung iyon nais huminto ng paninigarilyo nabibigo, at ang isang adik nahihirapang magpakatino, ito pa kayang bansa na higit sandaang milyon katao?
Hindi ito kayang baguhin ng diktadura dahilan pati sariling pag-iisip mawawala, at dahil nagdaan na tayo sa diktadura at lalong nadagdagan ang masasamang ugali.
Hindi ito mababago ng panggagaya sa ibang bayan dahil maging ang ibang bayan ay hindi perpekto. Sinabi ni Elaine na maganda ang ginawa sa Espanya, pero sa ngayon, may mga lugar na ibig tumiwalag sa Espanya. Hindi rin sa Inglatera, dahil dito ay may mga ibig ding tumiwalag. Sa Tsina? May mga kaguluhan din dito sa ngayon. Sa Singapore? Ang katumbas lang nito ay isang siyudad sa Pilipinas at sila ay hindi mga katutubo. Siguro maaari natin gayahin ito sa antas ng siyudad menos ang diktadura, bilang autonomous cities.
Tanggap natin na ang suliranin ay corruption, political dynasty and warlordism, at electoral fraud. Tanggap natin na ang leadership style natin ay warlordism o datu o mini-dictators, na hindi nakikinig sa iba at sarili lang ang sinusunod. Ito po ang dahilan ng pagkakawatak-watak at pagkabalimbing at sinungaling. Dito pa lamang alam na natin na imposible ang pagbabago.
Electoral fraud, kaya gawan ng sistema, at kayang lagyan ng international observers. Corruption? Media o press ang katapat niyan sa paglalantad ng katotohanan - dito po mahalaga na hindi bayaran o mercenary o biased ang press.
Sa mga pinuno, mga botante po ang makakagamot diyan. Huwag po tayong maghahalal ng puno na tayo mismo ay hindi natin maaatim na maging kasambahay. Iboto po natin yaong nakikinig sa atin at hindi inaalipusta ang ating opinion. Nais ba natin ang kasambahay na pala-utos, pala-sigaw, mahilig manira, hindi naglilinis ng bahay, naglalasing/adik maghapon, nananakit, mahilig manlait, nagsusugal, nagnanakaw, sinungaling, at iba pa? Nasasa atin pong boto ang kasagutan.
Kaya ko nasabi na imposibleng baguhin ang bayan ay dahil naniniwala ako sa kasabihan na: we get the leaders that we deserve. Dahilan sa ang ating mga pinuno ay salamin lamang ng ating pagkatao. Nasasa atin na po iyon kung aayon tayo o hindi.
tob
Karagdagan:
Bawat salinlahi ay may sariling pakikibaka.
Ang salinlahi nila Rizal ay nakibaka para sa pagkakapantay-pantay ng lahi at kalayaan.
Ang salinlahi ni Quezon ay sa kasarinlan.
Ang salinlahi ni Juan dela Cruz ay laban sa hapon.
Ang salinlahi ni Magsaysay at Taruc ay sa mga uring manggagawa.
Ang salinlahi noong dekada sisenta ay laban sa mga maling pananaw sa ating bayan.
Ang salinlahi noong dekada setenta ay nabuhay sa takot at sila ay naghalal ng diktador.
Ang salinlahi ng People Power ay laban sa diktador.
Ang salinlahi pagkatapos noon ay ang pagbabalik ng trapo.
Ano ba ang pakikibaka ng salinlahi ngayon?
Mer
Maybe in 2010 the Philippine voters will stop selling votes - and vote for the right person who will work for the people instead of their own greed for money and power. (Yes, in that order). Wake up Philippines!!!
roger lasquite
maganda ring mapag-aralan ang kasaysayan ng mga Indian,minsane akala natin sa sine lang yung cowbow at Indian,at mabigat din talaga ang mga pinagdaanan nila pareho,at yun ay dahil sa maaring pananakop din para sa kabuhayan o ano pa man,at ngayon nga e yung yung proteksyon nila sa modernong-sibilisasyon daw? ngunit nariya o bahagi na rin sila,at libo rin ang mga dila o dialects nila na sa ngayon daw e kokonti na lang,kaya pinipilit buhayin para sa kasaysayan,e…syempre,kung iilan na rin ang gumagamit at ang laging TANONG E lalong higit ngayon e…ME PIRA BAGA??? o mas-uunahin baga ang mga ito sa ibang higit napangunahing pangangailangan.At ngayon e maraming teknolohiya,upang ang mga ito ay manatili at ma-ipreserba.At mahirap talaga…sabi ni Prof Ambeth e yung mga nasusulat sa Espanyol na kailangang maisalin sa upang marami ang maka-intindi,e kung sa English na naman isasalin e,di problema na naman,…sabagay pwedeng sabay,pero,nakakapag-isip talaga??? Espanyol, ngayon English,ano sa susunod, Espanyol uli,English? o Russian o Chinese??? eeeeee. marahil ok din pero,magkaroon muna sana at magka-isa sa sariling atin,kung alin man iyo??? at yun nga lang aabutin pa kaya natin??? kahit paano e salamat po eto tayo,nag-uusap na,… kahit,,sabi ni Lolo o tata e…palintek,ha,ha.o pa-drama o comedy o medyo romantic ng konti.O tango o cha-cha o…Sa eleksyon sali lahat tayo,….ha,ha,.botante o lider o BANTAY (bakit kailangan pa ito?,e ganyan daw tayo kadadaya e,..eeee) KANDIDATO!!!
marclloyd
may chokshi says:
“Then I think how I can help my country. It is thru education . I’d like to form an educational foundation. The mission is to teach our children the True History of our country and Filipino Literature and music , Arts and crafts. But then again children have to have food in their stomach to learn.”
May chokshi, you can start helping the kids who are scavengers in a dumpsite and whom the Philippine Christian Foundation is trying to educate, feed and rescue from a potentially endless cycle of poverty.
Please check out: http://www.pcf.ph.
These kids need our help.
Together, we can effect change. One soul at a time. It’s like the story of a boy throwing starfish back into the sea. A man tried to discourage him as there were thousands of starfish on the shore and that he could not really make a difference. The boy though continued what he was doing and hurled another starfish back into the sea, saying “Well, it made a difference for that one,” and went on in pursuit of his mission.
charles rochat
As a foreigne observer few things are obvious.First of all philippines suffer one of the most brutal colonisation and the spanish weapon of mass destruction was the church using shamlesly Santo Nino to rob and torture populations, still today.Ignorance and starvation where the main tools of the friards and theire collaborators, relatives most of the time, today it’s still the same, except not supported by Spain but USA/CIA. Not only text boooks or president are fake,but religions as well democracy. The sickness of permanent lying and brutality are so deep , any recovery looks hopeless, in this society everything is fake, even the food, in fact bad food and religion destroy the brain. As those apparently do not satisfy enough the “elites”, there is a SHABU program to burn masses brains, who are the drug barons is an open secret, as open the war lord ! What for all these ? For Spanish it was robbery, for America, geostrategy and robbery, one million pilipinos enjoy, 90 suffer, this is today sad reality. One of the sadest result is life support destroyed for ever, the environement ! Dont forget, the Clergy is the backbone of the SYSTEM
globe
most of the people in rural areas are prone to be bought. Because this is a rich country with poor people. Politicians will only be working for their own interest.
Milo
Why don’t we just accept the fact that we are a mixed of cultures and that is what Filipinos are. A mixture of Spanish, Chinese and American cultures.
elaine
to the man in manila.. i do actually have tagalog friends… never been left by a tagalog boyfriend too. i had a ilonggo boyfriend once..he was namit.. we are still friends now:D
and you didn’t have to go and be personal about stuff.. i mean what’s with the boyfriend/beaten up crap comment..? lame man! i thought you could do better than that! hahaha:P
i may sound bitter and angry and cynical..but im not. one of my idol is a tagalog..jessica zafra rules! she’s bitter, angry and cynical..so i’ll take that as a compliment..im not saying i can write like her..i wish.. in my dreams.
sorry for the generalization but isn’t this blog about generalizations??? i have tagalog friends.. which initially asked me those silly questions… but im not saying we didn’t get pass that silliness. it was not my perception but theirs and yes i sucked it up, corrected it and now we are friends. get me???
..i know you are having a difficult time following me..i should simplify things and maybe say it in tagalog..but my tagalog is quite bad.
what’s with the integrity and credibility thing? never did mention those..
i am culturally sensitive…after all i am a foreigner living in a foreign land to me. sometimes, the guy infront of me is speaking french, the girl beside me is british,my boss is kiwi, the show we are watching is maori, the guy serving the drink is tonggan… the friend im with is ilongga who’s husband is tagalog.
can you say the same?
so im sorry to burst your bubble..i haven’t been dumped by a tagalog man..happily married to a cagayanon. i haven’t been beaten..maybe you’d wish i was.. how’s that for crab mentality? and i though you were a Christian maybe you aren’t. (how’s this for personal? …you did start it.)
all im saying most first interactions i’ve had with tagalog speaking people always had the same question…the mall question… and i’m saying this without fail even here outside the philippines i thought we would have come passed the mall question…still it exist.
sometimes aside from the mall question..there’s also the i came from this big school…what school do you come from? ..then the follow up question…saan yan? ahh..maliit lang yan na college? never heard of it… and from these interactions i have deduced na medyo limited nga ang experiences ng mga taga manila..kahit na naka labas na sa pinas. they don’t know much about the philippines.
please do not make up stories na man from manila… just take my comment as it is.. that is all..you don’t have to happily conjure if i was beaten or dumped… an intelligent conversationalist should stick to the topic at hand like garcon and some other people here.
nothing personal man.. i don’t even know you. so don’t pretend to know me. i have never commented anything personal against you so don’t start now.
be intelligent and give me an intelligent rebuttal if you must. if not…you owe me an apology.
cheers mate! *kisses and hugs* ( i think you need some…)
roger lasquite
mga bagong hamon o matagal na,…
baka yung ilang pamilya na patuloy ang tampuhan at awayan,ha,ha o yung ayaw umalis sa pwistu,o proteksyon ng mga,…sabagay me mga ok at disente o maayos at mararangal pa rin na nag-iiwan ng maayos na halimbawa,at tutuo alam ko mahirap,napaka-hirap at…masarap yata talaga,nakakalunod o nakakabaliw,…ang alam ko pag-tunay na paglilingkod mahirap,o marami ang matagal bago magdesisyon,ha,ha, bago sumali,yung parang ‘misyeryo,’ talaga ang dating.so marahil malapit na,mga kababayan na lang yata,…o kasam-bahay ngunit syempre matagal at mahirap din,pero kayang abutin at subukan at alam ko sinisimulan na!
roger lasquite
kung clergy e isa sa prob…e kailangang lakasan ng mga laiko,e kaso sobrang hina pa rin yata,panay tanong at asa pa rin sa …so,aral at aral pa rin para lumakas at lumaya sa kung asan ka o tayo…,kaya nga sinisimulan na…para sila e mas lalong makaganap sa kung saan sila magaling.o yung kanilang dapat na gawin…kaya lang kasama naman tayo lagi yata…talaga!
Dudong
charles rochat:.. in this society everything is fake, even the food, in fact bad food and religion destroy the brain.
Foreigner ka ba tinuod bai? Naweirdohan ako sa Ingles mo. Anyway, as a “foreign observer,” you have come to a sweeping, but totally flawed conclusion that everything here is fake. I can understand if you are the foreigner who, last year, divorced a “fake woman” just a few weeks after marriage. Fake president, fake boobs, fake religion(idolatry is rampant, what with all those statues)….yes, that may be the case. But fake food? There are many talented artists here and you might have tried to eat a plastic food display meant for export.
Obviously, you haven’t tasted Cebu’s lechon, which was featured in Time magazine as the “Best Pig” in Asia.
Man from Manila
Elaine,
He, he, he. Well, nothing personal girl. You just pushed my button when you started generalizing in your blog which is not a good thing. Tell you what, I have lots of friends from Cebu, Bacolod, Iloilo and even Cagayan de Oro. They’re all cool and I like them. I’m even excited that one day I might visit their place. But I think you’re the only one who has a weird perspective putting all the blame on the tagalogs just because of your personal suffering or emotional trauma. Now are you following me? I thought what made you freak out is just a simple question from a tagalog asking if “you guys have malls in your place?” it could be insulting, it could be a joke I don’t know. Does that hurt you a lot? If you really have the right frame of mind, idiotic questions or comments like that should not get into your system. You guys have a lot to be proud of. You have nice and big malls, hotels, good schools that put board placers on professional licensure exams, nice beaches and resorts, exotic foods and warm people (except you) , and do I need to say more? But reading your blogs, you’re one of the very few who’s not proud of being a Filipino, have so much qualms about Imperialist Manila, hates the tagalog language with passion, wants national language changed, and wants your province be separated from the nation (why don’t you buy a paddle and take the island of Cebu in the middle of Pacific Ocean. Once you do that, establish your own country, your official flag and make Cebuano as your national language).
Conversely, you would want to advocate unity, respect to ones culture and to be culturally sensitive when making comments. I don’t know if you’re intelligent or your just seeking attention (sure thing its the latter) and I don’t need your personal story. See how you contradict your own statements? Besides, an intelligent conversationalist has to dig down deep and explore the real motive of the other party in the conversation, and that’s what I did. I am not intelligent like you (that’s what you claim) but at least I have common sense. And who cares if you and your friends only speaks Cebuano and English? Yeah, you can shout on top of the world that now you’re working abroad and you work with multinationals, hang out at Starbucks talking to people never worried about your visayan accent (so typical of some Filipinos who has a taste of abroad). I’m an ordinary Filipino. I live in the mountains, never attended an Ivy league school, and never worked with multinationals. I didn’t even finish highs school but I’m a proud Filipino and I’m proud of all my fellow Filipinos wherever they are and where they came from. I value the diversity of my culture and the different dialects we speak. I’m happy I can speak a little English and I am interested to learn other regional dialects. In your case, your motives are purely anger, hatred and short of saying it all boils down to jealousy. That gathers all your negative energy and that’s the reason why you cannot put up a good argument even blaming Boracay (duh). If I hurt your person, sorry about that but did I start it? I don’t think so. Do me a favor and look at your blog and read once again my very first blog in response to you. I never insulted you or your fellow Cebuanos or your province. I even asserted your credence in your blog and supported your rationale but I don’t think I’m soliciting your sympathy. Only thing is I thought it’s just a mindset that we need to reevaluate and that’s not offensive at all. But your response surprised me. See how you insulted all the tagalogs and people from Manila because of your careless generalization. To some bloggers, they will agree on your comments but sorry I don’t. Grow up girl, get some maturity and open your mind a little bit. Maybe you can breathe some fresh air and at least change your perspective….I rest my case and thanks for your offer of kisses and hugs but I don’t need it… not from you.
Regards to your countrymen back there in New Zealand, I’m glad you embraced your new language and culture. he he he he…
tob
Maganda po na makatanggap ng pananaw ng banyaga minsan, subalit maganda lamang kung bunga ito ng malalim na pagsusuri at hindi ng mababaw na paghuhusga. Hindi nalimi ni G. Rochat na noong unang panahon, ang pananampalataya sa kapuluan ay pinapakalat sa talas ng patalim, kadahilanan kaya nang ialok ang Sto. Nino na walang pamimilit, kagyat silang nagpabinyag. Ang katolisismo ang nagbigay sa atin ng kapayapaan mula sa digmaan ng Hinduismo at Islam na hanggang ngayon ay talamak sa ating rehiyon. Nagpalaya ito sa mga alipin. Kung tayo po ay hindi nakipag-alyado sa espanya, tayo po ay mapapailalim sa isa sa portugal, inglatera, fransiya o tsina, katulad ng mga bansang nakapalibot sa atin. Kung babalikan natin ang kasaysayan, tayo po ay nilusob ng tsina, hapon, inglatera, portugal, at borneo noong panahon ng kastila. Hindi man perpekto ang kaisipan ng mga kastila, hiningi nila sa atin ang katapatan bilang isang kalipi. Humingi po ng tulong ang Katipunan sa hapon sa pamamagitan ng mga baril, subalit hindi po ito dumating. Dumating po ang mga hapon noong 1940 at dinurog nila ang sentro ng ating sibilisasyon kung saan tayo po ay hindi na nakabangon hanggang ngayon. Mababaw rin ang pananaw niya sa ating katolisismo - na pinoy ang ating mga pari, at ang ating kaparian ay pumapanig sa mga taumbayan mula pa noong panahon ng GomBurZa. Tila po nang-uulot ng pagkamuhi ang tinuran niya at saliwa sa realidad na pinoy po ang may kakayahang magbago sa pinoy, at malalim ang ating ugat na kultural sa espanya at america.
r .santos
dear roger,thanks for your blog but sometimes hinde ko masakyan ang mga story mo,napunta ka sa india,your blog 110 and 111 ano ba yon , is this dyspalingyadong pinoy, ha.ha ha ha…..wala akong sama ng loob sa iyo. i try to read again again interested din ako what you said,kaya lang baka naka tagay ka na habang nag type mo yong blog,eh.. pati ako nahihilo na kababasa at ang haba panam.. kamusta nalang baga…sa mga tiga terresa at panay rizal the BAGA nomally use by rizal provinces. eh…baka mapalitan yang name mo ng ROGER PLEASEQUITE….. sige ka roger even then. i keep on reading to your blog, kaya lang sobrang kalalim ng tagalog mo eh….nahuhulog ako pagbina-basa ko. god bless take care we all care bye….
ryan reyes
parepost po sa blog ko sa multiply…
galing din po ng article…
charles rochat
To Dudong have to say the most charming and delicious meal I remember was in 1986 in Bongao/Tawi-Tawi.
After visiting 50 countries my favorit restaurant was Golden Cowrie in Lahug till early 90. Philippines native food when not greassy, salty or flood with sugar and mono-sodium(Aji-no-moto) is perfect. Today outside few Japanese or Korean i don’t anymore where to eat. Authentic native food has dissappeared and was replaced by un-savoured artificial factory food resulting in diabetes, cancer, high blood and over weight to my Pilipinos friends. I am very sorry about those disastrous changes, very, very sorry, so sad. It’s all what I can say.
roger lasquite
elow r.santos,
maraming santos din sa amin,sa simbahan at sa labas,he,he, e ako yan talaga,di mo baga ma-gets? suuury po,pero salamat na rin at alam ko nababasa nyo at ayan napansin din yata,kala ko walang nag-reread,’parang ksp din ako,ha,ha,’yung laging ang kanta e’stuck inside this 4 walls,’-band on the run ni P.mcrtney,so sensya na po,subra dami ng aking binabasa,e nakakalitu na at iba-iba rin kausap at…kaya lang ok pa rin po ako at maiiksi pa nga yan,’ yung mga iba kong sinusulat at kapag ako ang ang pinamuno sa dasal e,…mag-uumaga na hindi pa tapos,sabi tuloy e wag na si rudgir,at….eeeeee.kaya lang gusto rin nila,kapag-kailangang-kailangan e,palagi…ok ding maging roger pleasequite,at hindi ako taga-teresa o tanay,mali yung panay mo sa bisaya yun,ha,ha,at kulay indian ako,pero hindi amuy…,konti lang,minsan,at enjoy ako talaga sa huntahan,kaya nga napapahaba,at yung mga punahan e sa akin ok lang po yan,at matira matibay,ganyan naman po tayong mga Pinoy e,lahat-BIDA, e nagampanan ko na lahat yan yata o kung gagampanan e me-ideya na,pareho lang,kahit alin,sa huli e,senior ka na rin at minsan e taga-alaga na lang ng apo at, ok din,pag-umiyak na sauli,,at sa umaga e walk a mall na lang,kasama ang mga senior,o kaya yung mas-gusto ko sa… simbahan,na lang,at eto sa blog,at lagi kong sinasabi e ok naman po at kahit paano e nakakasali at natututo,pag-nagutom luto ng gusto at kain,kung meron,ha,ha, para ke mam elaine,ok lang yan,sige lang,…basta’t masaya,at habaan nyo rin…sarap magbasa ah!!! at sumagot.ooooops napahaba na naman…e si r.pleasequite po ah!,wow me bago namang pangalan ako,salamat po!!!
tokwa
to r. santos,
sinabi mo pre, hindi ko rin masakyan minsan ang mga postings ni ka roger. malalim na mababaw he he he…no offense ka roger joke lang
overall, pinoy na pinoy ang mga pasakalye ni roger lasquite.. he he he
tokwa
ang best example ngayon ng dysfunctional pinoy eh si “ka freddie aguilar” ….laos na dispalinghado pa. siguro panay na naman ang “gamit” at “hitit” kaya nag-se second childhood na yata….he he he
MAWI
Kung may katotohanan na ang ating pagkatao (Filipino psyche) ay masusuri sa salitang ating ginagamit, marahil ay makatutulong na unkatin natin kung saan galing ang salitang “PINOY”. Hindi ito nalalayo sa palasak na salitang “penoy”. Kaya lang ang penoy ay isang uri ng itlog na walang patutunguhan kundi pagkabulok. Ika nga ito ay “bugok”. Marahil makabubuti sa atin na matawag na PILIPINO (yung dati ba). Ika nga pili na, pino pa. Pero hindi tayo napili dahil “pino” tayo kundi napili tayo upang pinuhin. Mas maganda di ba. Medyo paghinaharap at patungo sa mas magandang katayuan.
iyo karpo
We are truly dysfunctional. Our exchanges say so. Reading these posts even Malaysians, Indonesians, Taiwanese, and Japanese can’t help but agree.
Even our economy compared to these countries shows how dysfunctional we are.
The Spaniards made us Filipinos. We were once part of the Great Shri Vishayan Empire that spanned from Madagascar to the Polynesian islands in the Pacific. We have crossed two great Oceans long before Columbus crossed the Atlantic in 1492.
How did we become dysfunctional?
notty
how timely! in my blog yesteday i asked this question: ano ba ang team building sa wikang Filipino? hope you can help me find the answer. thanks
Taga-ilog
Mabuti na lang ang tawag sa ating mga taga Pilipinas ay Filipino, paano kung ang itinawag pa sa atin ay Tagalog. E mas lalo nang maraming naingit sa mga Tagalog ano.
r .santos
thank’s charles rochat sa mga comment mo .may tama ka at mali sa mga sinabe mo . yes your right. most charming and delicious meal way back 1986 hinde lang sa tawi-tawi pati sa boong filipinas. as i remember pag kumain kame noon,ay naka kamay lang kami sa sarap ng ulam namin,SUGPO<ALIMANGO> OKEY BA DUDONG bai !
roger lasquite
hindi na nga siguro disf…kundi malfunction na kami ni kaFreddie A,kung sinabi mo yan,though hindi ko naman nababasa ang mga sinusulat niya…,kaya lang ,ako e’doon na siguro sa ‘-’YAN ANG AKING MGA TUTUONG KARANASAN NA NAIS KO LANG IBAHAGI,’ at ganyan daw sa blogging e,sulat lang ng sulat,instant publication,no editing nga at LAKASAN NG LOOB,ngunit syempre nakakapag-isip din kung minsan,lalo na’t medyo nabigla ka lang at,alam ko baka,sobra na at nakakahiya nga,so thanks for the understanding.’Kaya lang’ yan po ang aking mga natutunan.’ mula sa Guro ko,at kaya ako natatawa minsan o napapa-isip e syempre ang ini-isip ko lagi e,’me isang puso,isipan at damdamin tayo,bilang Filipino at Kristiyano e yun nga pala,e,… ganon pa man,e tanggapin na lang nyo po,mula ito sa aking puso,…o drrrrrama muli.mahilig tayo naman dyan talaga e,…ha,ha,o hahaba na naman po.
susunod mga talumpati kung ikaw e ‘kandidato.’- sa PTA,sa isang Samahan,sa Sangguniang Bayan,o Lalawigan,Kongreso o ano pa man?
tob
G. Rochat,
Nung unang mabasa ko ang iyong blog ang aking paniniwala ay Pinoy ka na katatapos lang mag-attend ng teach-in ng Abu Sayaf o ng taong-labas. Sa iyong ikalawang blog nalaman ko na marami kang preconceived ideas sa Pinoy, sa Asia, o sa daigdig sa kalahatan. Kahit pinoy ka man isa kang tunay na banyaga na nagnanais magbigay ng iyong sariling solusyon na punum-puno ng misconception sa mga bagay bagay. Ang tunay na pagkaing Pinoy ay hindi makikita sa restoran kundi pinagsasalunan sa tahanan. Ipagpaumanhin po nila, sila ika nga, ay tila isang doktor ng alipunga na nais gumamot ng sakit sa mata.
earl
At first I was tempted to write in my native language: the visayan language, just to drive home the point that Filipinos (not Pinoys) are not all Tagalogs and that many of the traits and characteristics mentioned as distinguishing marks of a Filipino are not endemic throughout the islands. All of the alleged three “K’s”: kamag-anak, kakilala, kasama are the very reasons why there is so much corruption and bribery in almost every fabric of Philippine governance, both in the national and local levels, and even in trade and business. These are the very traits that we should be ashamed of and instead develop the concepts of hard work, independence at a young age, innovation, and probably and most importantly, the use of common sense and analytical thinking. I put the blame squarely on our defective educational system which is dysfunctional and therefore produce dysfunctional graduates who ultimately become dysfunctional Filipinos. It rewards students based on memory rather than on reasoned and analytical skills. Even the popular noontime and evening television shows develop these kind of culture and mentality where the winners are chosen based on the contestant’s ability to recollect rather than on his or her skill to explore, examine and evaluate. The problem is systemic. But this can be changed. The new Filipino is proud, independent with a mind of his or her own, innovative, analytical, forward looking, adaptable and fiercely competitive.
purehuman
dito naging matagumpay ang U.S. Gov’t sa pagmulat sa atin bilang mga ‘inferior’. unti-unti sa pamamagitan ng paggamit ng literatura at sekolohiya hindi namamalayan sa paglipas ng panahon na naging bulag ang karamihan sa mga Filipino sa kamalayang nasyonalista.
Opppssss, teka manood pa pala ako ng ‘Smallville’ at panonood narin ng balita tungkol sa pagkamatay ni Michael Jackson. hehehe!
Ganyan ang kamalayang pinoy.
PinoyGarçon
The author of this article has done her fair share for bringing this topic to a vigorous discussion. From the responses, I can see several diverging opinions; educated, too left, too right, and straight down the middle and even non-sensical. We can see a very diverse Filipino mindset when reacting to a particular issue, just as how we would react to the issues of our society, whether big or small.
We have a very strong regional mindset but weak national consciousness, which puts us in a disadvantage point and divided as people. To be a strong, fully functional nation we have to think as one, and to think as one we have to focus on one and only one goal of ‘How can I make this country a better place?’ We should contemplate at this goal each time we make decisions in our everyday living that starts within ourselves, within our family, in our workplaces, on how we deal with others, to the community we live-in and eventually to the country.
It’s a pity our geopolitical system puts every region and province into a compartmentalized system in the cloak of regional autonomy but in reality our politicians has enjoyed our disunity as a people. On the contrary, we should not be pre-occupied of trying to change our system for an instant if in the end we cannot sustain it.
Good quality education is fundamental and poverty should not be taken as an excuse for not having it or denying it especially for our children. I myself am a child of ‘kainginero’ from the mountains of Sierra Madre, but through education, good values from my parents, perseverance and prayers; I managed to set foot and study on some of the countries visited by Dr. Jose Rizal. Start by learning to read, write, analyze things and speak of them critically but objectively not sensationally and emotionally. Having too much emotion-which we have in plenty -renders the brain to become irrational resulting to catastrophic decisions. Learn from others and teach others, see the big picture rather than focus on the speck. Revisit our Filipino virtues, but keep an eye on their implications and limits. Lastly, we owe each other respect.
We may find that our opinions are diverging as much as our cultures and regional identity does but we all agree that we want to make our country a better place.
PS. There is a good, highly recommended movie to watch especially for children about making the world a better place ‘Pay It Forward’, just in case anyone wants to reflect.
tob
to iyo karpo,
may kasabihan: “the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence.”
may kaunlaran man sila, may kapalit ito, unang una ang kanilang kultura ay caste system o geriontocracy, matatanda ang nasusunod. Tayo po ay hindi. Lahat ng ating bayani mula pa sa panahon ni Rizal ay pulos kabataan kaya nga adelantado ang tawag sa kanila (19 to 35 years old). Kahit si pilosopong tasyo ay kabataan noon (Marcelo del Pilar). Hindi po sa kanila ay uso ang pantay ang babae at lalaki. Tayo po ay may dalawa nang babaeng pangulo. Sa kanila po ay uso ang racial segregation na sa atin ay hindi maaari. At ano po ba ang kaunlaran? Sa akin po ay sapat na ang may pagkain sa hapag ng kainan, may pampakolehiyo sa anak, may pambayad sa doktor kung kailangan, may pambili ng maayos na damit, may kaunting kagaanan tulad ng pang salusalo, libangan, ay komunikasyon, may maitatabi sa katandaan, may sariling bahay na matitirahan. Kung hihigit pa roon ay matuturingan nang kasibaan.
bayanihan4
hindi naman siguro masamang malaman ang pinag-ugatan ng lahing pilipino. para sa akin, nagbibigay pa ito ng dagdag na kaalaman kung bakit ganon ang mga pananaw ko sa mga bagay bagay kung saan may bahagi ang pinagmulan ko at klase ng lahi na nasa aking pagkatao.
nagtrabaho din ako sa mga “call center” ng mahigit 3 taon. sa kasalukuyan, isang pangdigdigang kumpanya ang pinapasukan ko. pero tapat kung sasabihin na hindi ko naisip na anumang kahinaan o kakulangan ko ay may kinalamn sa pinagmulan kong lahi ang dahilan. hindi lang sa mga “call center” and buhay. marami pang ibang uri ng trabaho kung maghahanap.
nanirahan ako sa ibang bansa at matagal ko ding tiniis na wala akong sariling pagkakakilanlan para sa kanila. di nila maturing kung ako ba ay koreano, hapon o intsik. mas madali para sa kanila na sabihing isang asyano ang lahi ko. ganun din sa mga puti o itim na lahi. kaya kung masubukan mong tratuhin na ganito sa kabila ng iyong batikang kakayahang magsilita ng ingles o anumang linguwahe na sinasalita ng bansang nandon ka, malamang sasabihin mo sa sarili mo, masarap pala na malaman ng mundo ang natatanging anyo at dating ng isang pilipino. isang bansang may sariling pagkakakilanlan at lahi.
i’d rather prove to the world, that despite they may consider my physical attributes of short in height, brown skinned, and dark haired as inferior but as long as i have the global skills to match what is required of me by my post-i’ll be more than fulfilled. in return, you can earn the respect of the world and the race associated to you. i believe that it’s not the race comprising us that matters but it’s what we can contribute and do to better humanity that matters the most.
Dudong
MARC LLOYD, IYO KARPO: Agree ako sa inyo na just by reading the comments here, makikita na agad how dysfunctional Pinoys are. Pero brader iyo karpo, who appointed you as the spokesman for the Malaysians, Vietnamese, Japanese etc.? Naka hitit ka ba gaya nung isa dyan? hehehe.
TAGA ILOG: Napaka parokyal mo oi! yung comment mo ay isa sa mga tinutukoy ko.
Dysfunctional na forever ang PiliPINO (hindi penoy…layo naman) habang marami ang makikitid ang utak sa ating bansa. Napakabobobo ba natin na hanggang ngayon, yung “Divide and conquer” strategy ng mga colonizers natin ay epektibo pa rin?
NOTTY: Ano ang “Calculus” sa wikang pilipino?
CHARLES ROCHAT: Don’t know where you are but if you visit Cebu, go to Sutukil near Shangri-la hotel, Mactan. There you can eat some of the most delicious, freshest sea food in the country.
R.SANTOS: Sarap yan bai! Wag lang madalas at baka tumaas cholesterol mo! hehehe. Iyong ibang mga issues dito, masarap i-discuss over a few bottles of beer kasama yung writer, yung speech professor at iba pang may pagiisip. hehehe.
Dudong
Very incisive analysis, PinoyGarcon. I’ll pay for the beer I’ll forward you across the table.
tob
kay Iyo Karpo,
susog sa iyong blog 122, ang sentro ng Shri Vishayan empire ay sa Bali Indonesia. Sila po ay pinalitan ng Madjapahit na ang sentro ay sa Moluccas na nasa Indonesia rin. Marahas ang kanilang digmaan dahilan sa pinalalaganap ng Madjapahit ang kanilang pananampalataya. Tumiwalag ang ilang Madjapahit dahil sa labis na kalupitan at nagtayo sila ng emperyo ng Borneo kung saan ilan sa ating tribo ay kaalyado. Ang kanilang impluwensiya ay nalimitahan lamang sa mga baybayin at hindi nakaabot sa mga higit na sinaunang sibilisasyon sa mga kabundukan at kagubatan. Marahas ang kanilang sibilisasyon noon katulad ng slavery, headhunting at child sacrifice.
Kung nais ninyong makita kung gaano kalupit, pag-aralan ninyo ang kasaysayan ng ating karatig bayan noong dekada 70. Dinurog nila ang Sumatra at ikinalat ang mga tao upang mabura ang kanilang sibilisasyon.
Naulit ito noong Y2K nang kanilang nililipol ang isang rehiyon sa kanilang bansa kaya’t nakialam ang UN at nagkaroon ng sariling bansa ang mga taong ito.
Ang kanilang bayan ang pinangangambahang pangunahing nagpapakalat ng karahasan sa ating rehiyon kasama na ang mga pagpapasabog sa ating bayan dahilan sa nais nilang buuin muli ang sibilisasyon ng Madjapahit. Kaya mahalaga na malalim ang ating kaalaman sa kasaysayan upang tayo ay hindi mapahamak sa kanilang mga kasinungalingan. Unang una ang ating mga katutubong ninuno ay tumiwalag sa kanila noon pa mang unang panahon.
Higit na sinauna ang ating mga ninunong naglakbay dagat na dapat natin talagang ipagmalaki. Hindi po sila nawala sa atin, at taglay natin ang kanilang katangian tulad ng lakas ng loob, talas ng isipan, at resourcefulness. Hanggang ngayon tayo po ay isa sa mga likas na madaragat na bayan at saan po ba nanggaling ang bahala na?
roger lasquite
maganda po lang marahil ang usapan at syempre kahit saan e medyo,yung tila tayo e nag-aalalayan pa o yung parang kinikilatis pa natin,kung paano at gaano tatanggapin ng mga kasali dito yung iyong opinyon at mga isusulat,’at sana e maging bukas tayo para sa lahat,kahit saan naroon ang mga kababayan natin,e naroon pa rin ang kung sino tayo sa bayang iniwan,at kahalubilo pa rin natin yung mga kahalubilo natin doon,mga ordinaryong kababayan at mas-laging marami ito,at ang maganda e,yung iba nga na dati e hindi raw nila nakakahalubilo sa atin e e dito,raw e kahalubilo nila at halos iisa na rin ang kalagayan nila, ‘masarap din yung minsan lalo na kung nasa-atin ka e,yung mga,simpli at ordinaryong mga kababayan ang kahalubilo,mga tunay at walang kaplastikan,kung wala,wala talaga,at hindi nag-aarte,at hindi yung laging ‘diploma ang ina-alala,’ alam ko kailangan din yun,ngunit marahil sa mga pagtitipon at mga usapang ganito e,maganda ring maipakita na lahat eme-karapatan at pantay-pantay,…kung nasa simbahan ka,lahat tayong nagsisimba,pare-pareho lang,…na ang ini-isip e makapapamuhay ng maayos,nag-aral at hindi,at yung mas-madrama madaling nakaktanggap ng biyaya,ha,ha o madaling munawaan,e open e!, at isa pa e mahaba mag-share…at syempre kahit anong haba,e magkaka-isa pa rin po tayo ano po?
AlexB
I don’t think our struggle has so much to do with finding our true identity, we are who we are and no one is like us. I think you’re giving too much credit to your ability to speak fluent English as the reason why your classmates and teachers liked you. I would rather credit your probably western personality and attitude, rather than the English language, because I think since you speak fluent English you probably were exposed to a western culture and grew up meeting and mingling with people that were born and raised in the west or people that are born to a family that were raised in the western culture, and so have adopted a western type of personality.
But it still begs the question, why? For the same reason a lot of people (in any part of the world) are drawn to or fond of people in Hollywood, the western culture and people there are mostly out going, they have a fun personality, they exercise freedom in a way we in the east are too self conscious to do. They are more into individualism and expressing who they are. To them being an American/British/English doesn’t mean you act and think and are bound to certain behavior or mindset, to them it’s all about freedom, and they always push that freedom to the edge, whether be it in art, science, sports, recreation or everything else.
My point is we Filipinos are not missing our true identity that is not our problem.
Our true problem is that we know that our identity has flaws but are refusing to recognize and change it because of Filipino pride, the last time I checked pride is not a virtue.
I’m not saying there is nothing good in our culture. I’m just saying that we have character imperfections within our culture that are detrimental to our success as a nation.
So unless we recognize not only individually but culturally and as a people that our cultural identity is flawed, we’ll be stuck trying to be uniquely successful with our flawed identity.
iyo karpo
Pagkasi-aw baya ni Dudong, uy. Ang nakahithit ray magduda kung kinsay nakahithit. Mikuyanap na siguro ni diha sa Cebu. Basta ang definition sa Dysfunctional dili adis-adis, ha.
Eskrima is Shri Vishayan Martial arts. Eskrimadors were defeated by sword-welding Madjapajit warriors. There are remnants of Shri Vishaya or Sriwijaya city is in the outskirts of present-day, Palembang, Indonesia.
Taga-ilog
DUDONG : Yan nga ang problem, even tagalog as a national language ay pinapatuluan.
Sa sobrang kitid ng utak, kaya tayo hindi umuusad. And for some, due to what they have achieved kung taga saan man sila, ay umakyat naman ata sa utak nila ang pagiging mataas. E ano ba kung progresibo sila, does it mean ba na sila ay magagaling and tagalogs are not?
tobap
kay PinoyGarcon,
karagdagan sa iyong blog 130, hindi malayo abutin ang pagkakaroon ng pambansang pananaw ng mga pinoy. Napapansin ko lamang na ang higpit ng samahan ay nabubuo lamang kung may pinagsamahan. Malaki ang nai-aambag dito ng media, tulad ng pagkakaroon ng magagandang pelikulang Pilipino, ng nationwide-television, at radyo, bukod pa ang mga babasahin. Kahit naman sinong sikat na artista, boksingero, kamador sa bilyar at basketbolista ay kilala sa buong bansa. Gayundin nakikilala natin ang kaugalian ng bawat purok mula sa mga ito. Marahil kailangan lamang ng higit na malalim na pagtalakay ng kalagayan ng bawat purok upang magkaroon tayo ng pakikiramay sa bawat isa. Una marahil kailangan natin alamin ang kasaysayan ng atin mismong purok na tinitirhan, at tayo sa aking palagay ay magugulat sa kayamanan ng ating kasaysayan. Ako po ay namulat sa isang maliit na distrito sa kamaynilaan, ngunit sa aking paglaki ay napahalagahan ko ang kasaysayan nito, dahilan dito po ay maraming tao sa kasaysayan ang nanirahan. Malapit po kami sa mga lugar na tinirhan nina Rizal, Leonor Rivera, at Balagtas nuong sila ay nag-aaral pa. Malapit din dito ang katutubong kaharian bago pa ang mga kastila, kagaya ng Lamayan at Kalentong. May kasaysayan din po dito na lingid sa karamihan, na noong panahon ng kastila ay mayroon silang nabinyagan na samurai na hapon, at upang makaiwas ito at lahat ng kanyang tagasunod na masikil, sila ay tumakas papuntang Pilipinas at dito rin nanirahan. Dito rin matatagpuan ang ikalawang balwarte ng mga kastila, kung baga ay plan-B nila sakaling bumagsak ang Intramuros. Sa aking pananaw, bawat lupalop sa ating bayan ay hitik sa ganitong mga kasaysayan na kailangan lamang nating bungkalin.
Gemma
I think let’s just accept the fact that we are a mix race and work from that. There is no point trying to overanalyse that. I live with the thought that “before I am a Filipino, I am first a human being”, so “live well!” I won’t spend everyday of my life trying to sove the problem of the whole Philippines. I pay my dues, help where I am able to help, I try to work harmoniously with everybody, give respect where respect is due, and try as much to be “green”. Hopefully I have given back to the universe who nurtures me. And more holidays!
roger lasquite
lagi kong nasasabi na sa twing me-mga magandang topic na humahalina sa akin at medyo me,kahirapan e bigla na lamang me bubulaga sa akin na babasahin o aklat,sa huling conference na nadaluhan namin,e syempre kasama yung mga stalls o booths na me mga tinda at sa mga aklat,na paborito ko na rin,e bumulaga sa akin ang isang akalat ,’Rediscovering Catholicism’ ni Matthew Kelly,…syempre naalala ko ang topic natin,at oo nga ano po,at natanong ko tuloy sa sarili ko,e bakit na-tagpuan ko na nga kaya? at pati na ang aking pagiging Filipino?,wow,eto up to now,binabasa ko pa at alam ko me matututunan ako tiyak.’sa Chapter Four e ‘Searching For Identity’ ang topic at tutuo,mapapa-isip ka! Sensya na po sa ibang kababayan,Katoliko po ako,o at patuloy na nagsisikap pa.Linggo pa po dito.’Ang ‘Kaligayahan’ nga marahil ang isa sa unang dahilan,kaya tayo e…so me-pag-asa,talaga kung ito na talaga o kahit paano e ito lang naman marahil ang mahalaga,para sa atin,kaya lang e…(mahaba na muli)
iyo karpo
Sa panahon ni Rizal, walay kuryente ang Dapitan. Pero, hayag ang mga dalan sa Dapitan kay iyang gi-sug-an ug mga lamparilya sa lana sa lubi.
Nganong di nato ni mabuhat sa mga luga na walay kuryente?
Ang gi-buhat ni Rizal sa Dapitan mahimong buhaton sa uban pang lugar sa Pilipinas.
Ungoy man kaha ta. Nganon di nato sundon? Mag ungoy-ungoy nalang ba ta?
man from manila
tag-ilog,
i agree with you . marami dito sa blog eh insecure sa kanilang regional stature. wala naman tayong sinasabi na mas magaling ang tagalog at mga taga-maynila pero pine-personal nung iba. they use this blog to air their unfounded allegations and trivial sentiments. they tend to “generalize” ika nga at unfair sa nakararami. ang sa akin ay pare-pareho tayong may responsibilidad sa bawat isa. bilang mga pilipino, pag-kakaisa ang ating kailangan. wala na tayong panahon para mag-tirahan at patunayan kung sino ang mas magaling. lahat tayo ay may talento at karunungan at dapat lang gamitin natin sa mabuting paraan hindi yung puro paninira, sama ng loob, at pagyayabang kung ano ang meron sila at tayo ay wala. marami dito makitid talaga ang utak at parang mga bata. pati pagpunta at pagtira nila sa abroad ay ipinagyayabang na wala rin namang katuturan. a lot of bloggers claim they are better in english than others. who cares? you guys need some maturity. kung manila ang capital ng bansa at tagalog ang national language, eh yun ang irespeto natin. kung ayaw nyo naman, eh magtayo kayo ng sarili nyong bansa at sariling wika. hindi na kailangan pang pag-awayan o pag-debatihan. mas mabuti kung i-prioritize natin ang pagtulong sa ating mga kababayan na nangangailangan saan man sila nagmula at anuman ang katayuan nila sa buhay. simple di ba?
tokwa
tobap says;
Malaki ang nai-aambag dito ng media, tulad ng pagkakaroon ng magagandang pelikulang Pilipino, ng nationwide-television, at radyo, bukod pa ang mga babasahin.
sang-ayon ako dyan, pero totoo rin na maraming kapalpakan at kabaduyan ang ating media kaya nahihirapan tayong umabante.
mang godo
Ang nanay ko bicolana, ang tatay ko batangueno, ipinanganak sa mindanao, nagasawa ng kapampangan, bayaw panggalatok, nagaral sa manila, nagtrabaho sa cebu, may kaibigan sa bacolod, best friend Ilocano.
marunong magtagalog, bisaya, konting bicol, konting ilonggo, konting ilocano.
yon nagyayabang na magaling silang taga cebu, seguro may tupak kasi nga galing din ako sa cebu, ok naman ang cebuana.
Ako ay Pilipino na iginagalang ang tagalog as national language at manila as capital.
tob
kay Tokwa:
Aminado naman talaga tayo na may kabaduyan ang ating media, ibig sabihin niyan may kabaduyan din ang mga manunood. Wala namang masamang tinapay doon. Minsan nakakatuwaan kong panoorin ang mga palabas ng ibang bayan, marami din ang mga baduy, ang iba walang emosyon, iba maghapon kartoon na robot ang palabas, iba puro kalaswaan ang tema. Madrama talaga ang ating mga palabas. Siguro madrama talaga tayo bilang isang bayan. Gayunpaman, kung doon tayo magkakaroon ng pagkakaisa, at hindi naman masama, eh “whatever works”.
kay Iyo Karpo,
Ayon ako sa iyong pagmamasid. Hindi naman talaga modernisasyon ang bumubuo ng ating sibilisasyon kundi ang pagmamalasakit sa kapwa ng mga mamamayan katulad noong panahon ni Rizal.
tokwa
kay tob,
aba, maganda lahat ang iyong panukala. sana nga lang ay kahit 75% man lang ng mga pilipino ay mag-isip ng katulad sa nais mo at nais nating mangyari sa isang tiempo, at sa isang hudyat ng panahon. pero mukhang malabo, napakahirap isakatuparan na ang pag-iisip natin ay maging pag-iisip ng nakararami. masarap lang sabihin at mag-tagalog ng malalim. at kung ito ay matutupad, aba eh panalo tayo. pero sa bawat magandang sasabihin natin, maraming tutuligsa, sasalungat at makikialam. kung kailan matatapos, hindi ko alam. kahit san tayo pumunta, may pagkakaiba. may bansang maunlad, merong hinde. sa ngayon magkasya na lang muna tayo sa mga panukala at kuro-kuro. sabi mo nga, walang masama “whatever works” ..sana nga. pero wag tayong huminto. sa ngayon, yung iba sa atin minabuti ng humanap ng magandang kapalaran sa ibang bayan. sa pakiwari ko, maraming sinuwerte din naman at hindi naman nanghinayang pero nasa puso pa rin ang sariling bayan. kung yung iba ay naging masaya sa desisyon nila, wala tayong magagawa. kung masaya tayong manatili at manahan sa sariling bayan, eh mukhang wala rin namang masama. sabi nga nung iba, kung saan tayo masaya dun tayo. kaya kung masaya yung mga nasa abroad, wala ring masama.
man from manila
mang godo,
sang-ayon ako sa sinabi mo. simple lang pero puno ng katotohanan at sinseridad.
ganyan din ang aking pananaw. lahat tayo ay may magandang katangian na dapat lang nating pag-isahin, ipagmalaki at ialay sa lahat ng ating kababayan saang paning ng bansa man sila nagmula.
walang espesyal at walang magaling. pantay-pantay lang ang ating pagiging pilipino.
mabuhay ka!
Boyet_Vejarasco
PINOY ? AKo ito. Manilenyo ang pananagalog ng dila, Taga Iloilo ang nanay at Cebuano naman ang aking tatay. Ang lola ko naman halos 60 years na na nanirahan sa Manila City from, Iloilo ay puntong Ilongga pa rin. Kaya naman alam ko agad sa punto pa lamang ng pag sasalita kung taga saan ang isang Pinoy na ngayon ko lang naka-kwentuhan o na meet. Tunog ko agad kung ito ay Tagalog, Bisaya, Bikolano, Capangpangan, Ilokano, o Hawayano.
Breakdown mo pa ang Katagalugan; Taga Laguna, Taga Quezon, Batangas, Bulacan na may kanya kanyang punto at pagbalangkas ng isang pangungusap.
Ganoon din ang Kabisayaan; Leyte, Samar, Cebu, Negros, Iloilo….may idea agad ako kung taga rito ang ang kausap ko. Maski na taga Mindanao na naparaming Tribu. Na se sense ko kung taga Maguindanao. Maranao, Basilan o Palawan sa pag oobserva lamang ng kanilang punto ng pananagalog. Lalo na yung Pinoy na taga Hawaii.
Bawat Region, bawat sulok ng Pinas ay may kanya kanyang IDENTITY. Iba ugali ng Ilonggo, iba ang ugali ng Capangpangan, iba ang ugali ng Ilokano at Bikolano. Dagdagan pa ng pag kakaiba ng pananampalataya. May katoliko, Iglesia ni Kristo, JIL, Jehova, Rizalista, Maka Nora, Maka Vilma o Maka Michael Jackson.
Sige mag hanap ka ng isang identity ng isang taga Philippines.
Identity ba ikamo? AKO ITO ISANG Tunay na PINOY, LIBRE. Free. Nag eenjoy bilang isang Pinoy sa Freedom makapag salita, neg o pos, Libreng mag hanap ng sariling FAITH, Libre mag pahayag ng sariling damdamin sa pamamagitan ng ART. Pati kuryente at tubig gusto libre pa rin.
Subukan mong tumira sa ibang bansa para malaman mo na napasarap pala sa bansang Philippines. Bilang isang banyaga malalaman mo na napasarap pala ng freedom na tinatamasa ng isa Pilipino.
29 years na akong OFW.
That’s It. I am Pinoy. You wanna bet?
Taga-ilog
Man from Manila:
Thanks for agreeing with me.
Idagdag ko lang.
It’s too bad pinag-dadaanan nating mga Filipino ang ganito.Kaya lalo tayong hindi nagkaka isa ay kanya kanya pa rin tayo.
Kaya dapat kung ikaw man ay cebuano, ilocano, bicolano, kapampangan pa man at ating mga kapatid na muslim ay dapat na tangapin ang kung ano ang meron tayo.
Bakit nga ba dysfunctional?
Alisin ang ingit, lawakan ang pang unawa. Think we are one Filipino, at tanggapin na tayo ay nagkakaisa at nagmamahalan mga Filipino, irregardless of from which region.
Tagalog language was chosen to be as the national language ng ating mga bayani, para tayo magkaunawaan at magka intindihan, thats it. Kaming mga tagalogs, hindi kami ang pumili niyan. And please, there is no such thing as “Imperial Manila”, saan kaya nila pinagkukuha ang mga ito.
Sa mga nangingibang bansa naman:
Dont make regional groupings, just like here where i am right now. Pagalingan din at kanya kanya. Embassies should not allow this Cebuano, Ilocano, et al. to exist, kasi it’s one of the reason kaya watak watak din tayo. Competition ang nangyayari. One time may nagtanong sa akin, bakit wala raw Tagalog organization, sabi nila hindi daw tayo nagkakaisa. Ang sa isip isip ko, hindi nga ba nagkakaisa ang mga tagalogs? Of course not, We are one, but we don’t need to have one organization just to compete with them that will make it worse.
southernsons
tob: ang dapat diyan ay: “Ang taong palaging lumilingon sa kanyang pinanggalingan, ay hindi makakarating sa kanyang pupuntahan”.
iyo karpo
Uyon ko sa imong pahayag Tob, kung “Malasakit” ang atong hisugtan, korni kini alsng sa kadaghanan.
Kinsa man intowon magpaka-hero pareha ni Rizal?
Obsrebahi lang ang atong eleksyon, grabi ang pinalitay sa boto. Magpinatyanay pa!
Sa dihang gi-exile si Rizal sa Dapitan, nakada-og siya sa Lottery. Na-a siyay pangasto bisan nalang sa suga sa kadalanan.
Pangutana… Kung makadaog ka sa Lotto o sweepstake kaha, sundon ba nimo si Rizal?
MarcLloyd
“We have absolutely no national
consciousness.”
The speaker is right in stating
that,Cate. And you are correct in saying
that:
“The concept of being proudly Filipino
was taught to us in abstract and
vague terms.We never really knew
what to be proud of.”
My sentiments,exactly.It will take something bigger than ourselves for us to develop a national consciousness. We momentarily have this whenever Pacquiao wins. We celebrate his victory, regardless of which region we hail from. Pacquiao is,to me,a symbol of the Philippines, a third world nation, succeeding in the global arena. It is something many of us want to see happen - for the country to prosper so Filipinos won’t need to go abroad and be separated from their families; for the country to rise so that it cannot be bullied by other nations.
r .santos
iyo karpo say;blog122&153.we are truelly dysfunstiona.iur exchanges say soreading thispost bla,bla,bla,can help but agree,alam mo karpo,they don’tcare what you’re saying they have their own problem. they just laughing at you they don’t give a “S” word.And about yourGREAT SHRI VISAYAN EMPIRE-every blog you write you alway have this EMPIRE.Who is that great hero mo?? can you mention one so that makila yang mga great people mo,GIVE us Example. (Kumander ROBOT,PARAD. umbra kato. j.i. na ngayon tinutugis na sa indonesia..) kung mag bigay ka ng sample at list na sa wikipedia para mabasa namin . this people ang dyspalinghadong totoo.are they from visaya?well bad luck…BUT to generalise your comment which so offensive to others. for sure may katapat ka o match at mag lalabasan iyan kaya mag basa kapa ng iba pang blog, even for argument sake. mga mas naka intinde pag dating diyan,,Kasi ang DASPALINGHADOng tao ay ayaw tumangap ng pag babago o pananaw.YOU ARE FREE TO EXPRESS your doctrine and also myself. AT first panay ENGLISH Mo,then nag visaya kana ,German,vietnam, yata yon iba? but it’s alright….SABI NGA NI ROGER PLEASEQUIT>>>ANG MAINIS TALO …….KASI global daw ito,HA!HA!HA!…. thanks MANG GONDO. TOB, LIWANAG,SA BLOG NINYO,TO ME ,I LEARN A LOTS OF THINGS JUST TO READ IT AGAIN AND AGAIN. MUCH GENTLE IN ANY MANNERS.. TO: IYO KARPO.ALL I CAN SAY, YOU NEED TO TRAVEL….GO OUT LOCALLY OR OVERSEAS…IF YOU CAN..SO YOU CAN EDUCATE YOUR SELF. TRAVELING IS A PART OF EDUCATION TOO. IF YOU ARE WELL TRAVELED IT IS MUCH BETTER.Do not put yourself into confine space.those people who hate as being tagalog.well TAGALOG IS A TRIBE too.,LIKE VISAYA KAYA WALA TAYONG PINAG KA IBA>> at kong may national hero sa visaya bakit hinde ninyo ilabas ang PANGALAN .PARA NAMAN MAPAGARALAN NAMIN ANG PINAG MAMALAKE O PRIDE NINYO AS VISAYA. THEN WE LEARN ABOUT YOR SIDE . AND WE ARE MORE WILLING TO LEARN. LET’S GROW UP… HINDE IYON PARA TAYONG MGA BATA ,NA PAG -INAGAW MO IYONG CANDY AY IYAK NG IYAK AT NAG PAPAD-YAK NG PAA..AT NAG KANDA TULO ANG LAWAY…..AT LUMOLOBO PA YUNG SIPON SA ILOG!!! HA! ha! ha! ha! I WILL LEAVE YOU ONE THE THING.. FILO AS ONE !ONE COUNTRY! ONE NATION! ONE PEOPLE!! MABUHAY ANG VISAYA PATI TAGALOG,ILOCANO BICOLANO ,MANGYAN ,TASADAY, IGOROT,AETAS,TAOSUG ,BADYAO,MEKENIS, AND.. ALA EH.. NAG SAING AKO EH…MALATAE…ANG ULAM KO PANAN EH…GINATAE…… BATANGAS. HA HA HA BYE SEE YOU IN NAVOTAS CITY.
roger lasquite
ako po ay nag-Tatagalog dahil mas-ok ako dito,medyo ok din sana mag-English,pero,baka mas-marami ang mali,kaya Tagalog na lang at wala naman po akong ibang ibang dahilan,at isa pa e sa aking paniniwala na ito ang mas ok sa lahat o naiintindihan ng nakararami,so sensya na po yung me ibang ginagamit na panulat dito e hindi ko po nauunawaan,Bisaya po baga yung panulat ninyo,pwede at maganda at para kami matuto e maganda siguro e me-tagalog translation…o ginagawa nyo po baga ito dahil sa ibang motibo?,
re:iyo karpo,-me yumao rin pong “karpo” na aming kababayan,lalaki at yung isa naman po e babae,-kaya “karpa”,naman-dayuhan din po na naging tunay na taga-amin na rin po,(alam ko at marahil kayo rin na tutuo,…malayo pa ang ating lakbayin,at sana e sama-sama tayo)
mang godo
One time may nagtanong sa akin, bakit wala raw Tagalog organization, sabi nila hindi daw tayo nagkakaisa. Ang sa isip isip ko, hindi nga ba nagkakaisa ang mga tagalogs? Of course not, We are one, but we don’t need to have one organization just to compete with them that will make it worse.
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Tama ka diyan, my friend.
Bakit kailangan pa ng regional organization ang bawat province gayong isang bansa lang tayo.
Like in america, ang americano wala namang regional grouping na they are from the south, north or east or west of the states.
Basta nagusap, english hindi na kailangan ang grupo grupo.
Ang tagalog kaya walang organization ay para walang masabi ang ibang kababayan natin.
Isa pa ang province grouping ay sanhi ng pagkawatak watak, hindi iisa ang layunin para sa bansa o pilipino.
Okey lang sabihin ng ibang kababayan natin na magaling sila, maganda sila, magaling silang magenglish… okey lang sa pananaw mo lang yan ang mahalaga nakatulong ka ba sa kapwa mo kahit papaano.
Kung tayo ay pilipino, dapat umasta tayong pilipino dahil ang lahi natin iisa lang…. at iyan ay ang lahing Pilipino kaya ipagmalaki natin.
tob
Masarap managalog ng malalim pero hindi iyon ang aking adhika. Ang dahilan, pinoy ang aking kausap, at hindi ko nais maunawaan ng bayaga at baka lalong gumulo ang usapan. Bakit? dahilan sa hindi nila tumbok ang tema at kasaysayan. Ang mangyayari sa atin ay tila isang putahe na maraming kusinero ang dumukduk.
Unang unang sasabihin nila ay wala tayong disiplina. Ang sagot ko naman, ay mayroon tayong disiplina, ayaw lamang natin na pinakikialaman. Iyan sa madaling salita ang sinabi ni Pangulong Quezon. Hindi niya ginusto na maging magulo, ang ibig niyang sabihin ayaw niya ng pinakikialaman ng ibang bayan. Sa ngayon po ay marami ang nakikialam sa ating bayan mula silangan, gitnang silangan, at kanluran. Ilan po ang ating mga ka-kalakalan. Lalo na po ang mga bansang nag-aangkat ng droga. Linawin natin, bansa ang nag-aangkat ng droga at ang kanilang napagbilihan ay kanilang ginagamit na bayad sa kanilang tiwaling sandatahan. Katumbas nito ay digmaang kemikal kunsaan sinisira ang ating kabataan at kinabukasan, pati na ang pamahalaan.
Sasabihin nila na kailangan natin ang pride upang magkaisa. Haka ko lamang na wala tayong dapat ipamarali kung tayo ay walang pagkakaisa.
Maaring idagdag ng iba na wala tayong pagkakaisa. Mayroon tayong pagkakaisa, ayaw lamang natin na inaabuso dahilan sa maganda kung ang pagkakaisa ay mula sa malasakit at hindi diktadura. Isang halimbawa ang EDSA I, wala itong malalim na talakayan subalit lahat ay nagkaisa dahilan sa ating loob alam natin na ito ay tama at dapat. Sa aking palagay, kung tama at dapat ang panukala tayo ay magkakaisa.
Kagandahan lamang ng EDSA kung tayo ay magkamali sa balota, maaari nating ayusin sa EDSA.
Sasabin ng iba na may kasiraan ang ating demokrasya. Sasabihin ko na totoo ang ating demokrasya dahilan sa ang ating pamahalaan ay salamin ng mamamayan. Sila ay talagang ating mga kinatawan. Bakit ko nasabi yaon? Kung tayo po ba ay manginginom at adik, sino po ba ang ating ihahalal? Kung tayo po ba ay nambababae at sugapa sa sugal? Sino po ang ating pinuno? Kung tayo po mahilig gumamit ng impluwensiya at corrupt? Sino po ang ating opisyal? Kung tayo po ay walang malasakit sa ating kapwa, tiyak po na magulo ang ating bayan. Madali pong sabihin ang solusyon: “tayo”, pero napakahirap gawain.
Maari na tayo po ay despalinghado, pero hindi po lahat, marami lamang po na sadyang pasaway.
roger lasquite
isang topic sa ‘Arise from Darkness’, at ‘What to do when life doesn’t make sense.’ e -when we are our own worst enemies. O parang tayo e yung ‘Pity Parties and Resentment Reunions’ na yata nga.Denial of Reality, o Waging War against Oneself, o yun daw “passive aggression”, at naktutuwa na sabi ko nga e,lagi akong me natatagpuang mga ‘hindi man kasagtan talaga’ e ‘giya o guide na aking nagagamit.At sabi nga ng sumulat ang isa sa paborito kong Pari,si Fr.Benedict J.Groeschel e yun nga ,mga nakakaharap nating mga kalungkutan at pighati:sorrows and griefs-tulad ng ‘failure of friends,financial and personal insecurity,eto medyo kontrobersyal pa sa iba,pero sinabi rin niya-failure of the Church,our own inconsistent behavior and self-destructiveness,the death of loved ones,and the inescapable loss that we all experience when all that we rely on in this world is slipping away from us.
wow,medyo ilang bese ko na ring nabanggit sa mga nasalihan kong mga usapang ganito e ‘yun nga at marami ang me-alam din,”ISANG PAMBANSANG PAGHIHILOM” tutal palaging me mga healing service at mga healing Masses tayo na ginagawa at dinadaluhan na ng marami e,…dasal ko na tayo e,’sa sarili magsimula tayo at ng tayo emaging isa na rin sa maging katulong sa ‘paghihilom ng ating bayan.’ at syempre patuloy ang dasal na bigyan tayo ng lakas at tutuong lakas ng pananalig.Sa pasimula ng aklat o unang topic e ito ang kanyang panalangin.’Lord Jesus Christ,long ago at baptism I became your child and disciple.I have often,as best I was able, recommited myself to following after you,inspite of all my inconsistencies and failures. I am very weak and confused,and when darkness comes into my life I feel discouraged,overcome,rejected by you. I feel myself to be a scavenger along the debris-filled highways of life. I forget that most if not all of my fellow travelers at some time experience the same feelings,the same painful trials.
Be with me in dark time,and give me,please,some sign,some awareness of your presence.Send me a ray of hope when the road is long and weary and I feel all alone.At least send your Holy Spirit that I may know in some way you are still with me when all is dark.Amen
sa huli e maganda yung lagi raw niyang sinasabi sa mga kapwa niya mga Pari sa panahon ng paghihiwalay nila,”Whatever you do,do this for your salvation.No one else may understand it,but leave for your salvation.Fit it into your spiritual life.”
tayo rin bilang mga Filipino,na umalis at bumabalik at yung hindi na nakabalik,e sana ganito na rin nga marahil,kaligtasan na rin natin nga ang siyang pinakamalahalaga and will last forever.’sa Mark 8:36 e sinabi ‘What does it profit a man,to gain the whole world and to forfeit his life?” Clearly,one of the highways to self-destructiveness is to fail to organize your behavior around your eternal salvation.
Alam ko marami ang buo ang PAG-ASA para sa ating iisang lahi at bayang/lupang Hinirang. hindi tayo ’susuko.’
MannyHM
Being a Filipino is how you feel and not in the language you speak. Being a Filipino means a constant wish and yearning for a better living condition for the country and the people. To me, the work of a Pinay nurse saving British lives in a UK hospital is even more noble though not as dramatic than Manny Pacquiao knocking out a Briton Ricky Hatton in Las Vegas.
Taga-ilog
Mang Godo thanks for agreeing with me.
For those who are abroad or local man, they can have groupings naman pero hindi base sa regions(kaya embassies, ban those regional groupings please).
They can have a group naman like having the same hobbies, like tennis or grupo ng mga medical staffs or nurses, engineers, architects, computer literate et al. At least dito even from other regions can mingle with others as well. Magkaka kilala ng kultura at paniniwala. Maiiwasan ang conflicts at pagalingan ng bawat regions.
tirador
kabayang tob,
totoo lahat ang sinabi mo. sang-ayon ako dyan. kailangan nating ng pagkakaisa, ayaw natin ng pinakikialaman, totoo ang ating demokrasya, hindi tayo dispalinghado pero marami lang pasaway, atbp..ayyy, ang sarap pakinggan. Eto ang mas totoo, walang ibang dapat sisihin sa ating kapalpakan kundi tayo rin. Hindi puwedeng maging pag-iisip ng lahat ang pag-iisip ng iisang taong tulad mo. May kanya-kanyang sitwasyon sa buhay ang bawat isa at ang bawat isa ay gagawa ng desisyon na na-aayon sa kalagayan nila, sa kagustuhan nila, at gamit ang sarili nilang pag-iisip. Kung ang pananaw natin ay pa-urong, walang masyadong sasama sa atin, kung pa-abante naman, aba eh marami. Sa tingin ko hindi kasalanan ng mga dayuhan kung ano man ang mga naging problema natin. Hindi ang mga dayuhan ang bumoto kay Gloria, kay Erap, at kay Marcos. Ang bumoto sa mga ito ay mayoryang Pilipino rin at nagkadayaan pa - isa ka na siguro dun. Ikaw na rin ang nagsabi “Madali pong sabihin ang solusyon: “tayo”, pero napakahirap gawain.” Kaya ang ideyalismo na iyong pinaniniwalaan ay maganda ngunit malayo sa katotohanan. Yan ang dahilan kung bakit walang naging saysay ang adhikain nitong si Joma Sison. Uminog na ang mundo, marami na ang pagbabago, umabante ang teknolohiya at ang pananaw ng nakakararami ay nilamon ng globalisasyon. Masakit at mahirap ngunit tanggapin natin ang totoo, ang lahat ay magbabago. Maaring makita mo yang pinaniniwalan mong ideyalismo sa kuweba ng mga “Tasaday”…o di ba?
Shal Fuentecilla
Nick Joaquin wrote that the Filipino is a work in progress, that he first gained consciousness of what it means to be Filipino and a nation through Western ideas, systems and concepts and we would not have been spurred to become a nation if the Spaniards did not come… Joaquin also wrote that most of the things that have enriched our national culture actually came from what Spanish colonization brought to us through the galleon trade, through the exposure of our illustrado class in Europe, etc. etc. The Filipino nation it seems was founded through the frictions caused by outside influences and continues to be so…
iyo karpo
What makes you a proud Filipino if Philippine economy is weaker than those of South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore and Hongkong?
If you happen to be in countries where low-paid OFW’s are in abundance, will you be proud to be identified as a Filipino when see your fellow countrymen working as care-givers, nannies, or unskilled laborers?
payutenyodagimas
i dont agree with some postings that being Filipino is not about the ability to speak tagalog or local dialects.
how can you say that you are a Filipino if you can not speak Tagalog? speaking your native tongue is the best way to identify your cultural identity. thats why Tagalogs congregates with fellow tagalogs and the same way with the ilocanos and cebuanos because they are connected with one thing. their dialects.
thats why i admire those Filipinos who never lose their ability to speak tagalog or ilocano and teach also the same to their children.
there is an australian guy married to filipina who wanted their children to learn tagalog. now that guy understand the concept of cultural identity and heritage and he wants his children to know their Filipino heritage as well.
now contrast that with the attitudes of Filipinos who speak to their children in English and never teach their native tongue to their children. these children will grow up confused because they could not claim to be americans because they are not whites or blacks and they could not claim to be Filipinos because they dont know anything about their heritage.
mang godo
iyo karpo Says:
July 26th, 2009 at 4:13 am
What makes you a proud Filipino if Philippine economy is weaker than those of South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore and Hongkong
If you happen to be in countries where low-paid OFW’s are in abundance, will you be proud to be identified as a Filipino when see your fellow countrymen working as care-givers, nannies, or unskilled laborers.
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Masyado kang mahiyain Iyo Karpo.
How about comparing Philippines to Ethiopia, Somalis, Zimbabwe, Kenya where famine is everywhere due to drought and lack of food… will you not be proud as filipino.
Yang binanggit mong bansa ay gaya ng Japan, Korea, Singapore ay G7countries yan. world leaders in economy.
wala nga canada, turkey, saudi, yugoslavia sa G7 ikukumpara mo pa ang pinas.
ang taong nagkukumpara, walang tiwala sa sarili… may inferiority ganyan ka iyo karpo.
caregivers, nannies unskilled laborers, paano mo nasabi na low paid ofws, may prueba ka ba.
sa america, 150 to 200 a day ang caregivers at nannies.
your contention on unskilled laborers, paano mo nasabi na unskilled.
always remember that there is dignity in labor. magpunas ka ng pwet, basurero, marangal na trabaho.
ang masasabi ko sa iyo, ikinahihiya mo lahing pilipino.
lumayas ka na lang sa pilipinas at kung nasa ibang bansa ka wag ka ng bumalik.
hindi namin kailangan ang taong hipocrito sa pilipinas kong mahal.
Dudong
TAGA-ILOG says: It’s too bad pinag-dadaanan nating mga Filipino ang ganito.Kaya lalo tayong hindi nagkaka isa ay kanya kanya pa rin tayo.Kaya dapat kung ikaw man ay cebuano, ilocano, bicolano, kapampangan pa man at ating mga kapatid na muslim ay dapat na tanggapin ang kung ano ang meron tayo.
There is no such thing as “Imperial Manila”, saan kaya nila pinagkukuha ang mga ito.
Well said, Taga-ilog! We should all think as a nation and not be chained in our thinking by regionalism. And yes, there is no such thing as “Imperial Manila,” This is just the concoction of narrow minded, regionalistic mediamen from the local tabloids. Manila is a melting pot of people of differing ethnicities,including Visayans. This fact alone renders the concept inutile.
Our national language, Filipino, continues to evolve and integrate words from all over the nation. It is thus incorrect to keep labeling it as Tagalog.
The eventual rise of the Philippines will depend on every Filipino. To quote a former presidential candidate:
“Hindi maaring kami-kami. Hindi maaring
kayo-kayo.Kailangan, buong bayan!!!”
Dudong
Will you be proud to be identified as a Filipino when see your fellow countrymen working as caregivers, nannies, or unskilled laborers? - Iyo karpo
Why should I be ashamed to be a Filipino? There is dignity of labor in what they do.These people courageously sacrifice to provide for their families! They face the demons of loneliness, abuse, separation from loved ones and the uncertainties of being in a foreign land. They are selfless and have the good of their families in mind. Most are even more educated than the people they serve. The dollars they remit keep this country’s economy afloat.
Just think about what great things will happen for our nation if all Filipinos, especially our leaders, develop the selflessness these OFWs exhibit and put the country’s interests above their own!
I salute them. I am proud of them!
tob
kay Tirador,
Wala akong tutol sa sinabi mo, kaya sinabi ko na madaling sabihin, mahirap gawin. Pero dapat natin gawin. Ipagpaumanhin mo pero ang Tasaday na alam natin ay mali, at isang nakakahiyang kabanata noong panahon ng diktadura at maging ang National Geographic ay nalinlang. Sa aking palagay, ang adhikain ni Joma Sison ay hungkag, dahilan sa ilang dekada ng kanilang pakikipaglaban sila ay bigo pa rin. Bakit? Dahilan sa hindi ang ideyolohiya ang tugon. The end does not justify the means. Sinagot na po ito noong panahon ng People Power, hindi karahasan ang kasagutan kundi pagmamalasakit. Katangiang Pinoy iyan, ang bayahihan. Hindi naman malaki ang hinihingi sa atin, iyon lamang gawin natin ang ating katungkulan. Tao ang may kontrol sa balota, media ang may katungkulang magsiwalat ng katotohanan, pulisya ang may katungkulang ipagtanggol ang katarungan, sandatahan ang may katungkulang isanggalang ang katahimikan. Maliliit na bagay, na dapat na ngang inaasahan sa atin. Ganoon ba talaga kaitim ang budhi ng bawat pinoy?
Mabalik tayo sa pag-gru-grupo ng pinoy sa ibayong dagat ayon sa lalawigan. Sa aking palagay ay walang masama rito dahil ang mga ito ay social organizations at hind politikal. Ito ay upang panatilihing buhay ang kanilang mga kultura.
Naalala ko pa ang aralin na Pilipino sa mababang paaralan. Sabi ng aking guro na iba ang Tagalog sa wikang Pilipino. Dahilan noong una ang pambansang wika natin ay Kastila at Ingles. Dahilan sa marami tayong wika, gumawa sila ng bagong wikang Pilipino kung saan binalak nilang isangkap lahat ng wika sa bansa umpisa ang wika sa Maynila. Subalit doon po natigil ang lahat. Sabi ng iba dahil sa ningas cogon, ang iba, dahil daw sa wala tayong magkakaisa. Iba ang aking pananaw dahilan sa kung nagtagumpay ang panukala, mamamatay ang mga katutubong wika at maiiwan ang pambansang wika. Sa aking palagay, nakita ng ating mga ninuno ito at itinigil. Kapwa may rason ang panukalang wikang pambansa, at ang wikang katutubo. Kaya’t hangga’t walang magandang alternatibo, sa aking palagay mainam na tanggapin na muna natin ang kasalukuyang kalagayan. Isang pahapyaw na kaalaman, sa estados unidos po ay walang wikang pambansa, gayong ingles ang wika ng karamihan. Maari po ninyong saliksikin ito.
May nabasa rin po akong blog dito na nagsabi na walang hiwahiwalay na grupong kultural ang estados unidos. Iyan po ay maling obserbasyon, dahilan sila man ay may regional characteristics din, iba po ang ugali sa midwest, pacific coast, deep south, south, southwest, eastern seaboard, at iba pa. Maaari din po itong saliksikin.
Mabalik tayo sa ating mga ninunong katutubo, sa halip na pilitin natin silang halungkagin, bakit hindi po natin tulungan ang ating mga katutubo na buhay na buhay sa ngayon. Atin isanggalang ang kanilang kultura sa pagkawasak dahilan sa komersiyalisasyon. Aralin po natin ang kanilang kultura at ito ang magiging salamin natin sa ating nakaraan.
Kay Iyo Karpo,
Sa ekonomiya, sa aking palagay ay dapat nating alamin ang gusto nating mangyari. Hindi po katumbas ng salapi ang kaunlaran. Hindi katumbas ng kaunlaran ang quality of life. Marami sa atin ay nagiging caregiver sa ibang bansa dahilan sa ang kanilang kultura at ekonomiya ay malamig na at impersonal, at ang kanilang mga matatanda ay itinuturing na lamang nilang sagabal. Nais po ba natin ito? Kung sasaliksikin po natin ng malapitan ang ekonomiya ng lahat bayan, makikita po natin na marami ang hindi ibinabatay ang kaunlaran sa pera.
Ang mga may salapi po ang nagnanais na gumaya sa ibang bayan, dahil sa kontrolado nila ang kayamanan, at sila ang magtatamasa ng kaunlaran. Maraming bayan na sa kagustuhan ng kaunlaran, ngayon ay naghihirap sa mga karamdaman na dala ng teknolohiya isa na ang kanser. Sa estados unidos po ay mahal ang pagkaing natural, walang fertilizer, insecticide, growth hormone, at antibiotic. Ang mga pagkain pong inaasam nila ay ang karaniwang pagkain ng pinoy.
Kung babasahin po ninyo ang mga self-help na babasahin sa estados unidos, mababasa ninyo na ang katinuan ay nakukuha sa maayos na samahan, sa social at emotional support group at mga kaibigan. Makikita po ninyo na ang kultura po na inaasam nila ay kulturang pinoy.
Ang naging kamalian po ng mga nakaraang pamahalaan ay ang paghabol sa ekonomiya ng ibang bayan. Ginaya po nila ang commercial farms sa amerika, kaya tayo may mga hasyenda. Kung titignan ninyo ang kasaysayan nila, sa mga commercial farms po naging alipin ang mga itim. Katulad din po ito ng mga hasyeda sa atin. Narinig ko sa aking nuno, noong kapanahunan nila ang kanilang palay ay kanilang itinatago bilang pagkain sa buong taon, at ang labis ay ipinagbibili upang magkaroon ng salapi pambili ng iba nilang pangangailangan. Ika nga, noon sila ay may self-sufficiency. Ngayon po ang ating mga produkto ay ipinagbibili upang tayo ay magkaroon ng salapi.
Ang mga nagmamay ari ng lupa na wala nang kagustuhang magsaka ay ipinagbibili ang kanilang lupain o kaya ay ginagawa itong mga subdibisyon at mga komersiyal na lupain. Ang dulot nito kawalan ng hanapbuhay sa mga kasama, kawalan ng pagkain o ani at pagkasira ng kalikasan. Ang nagsulat po nito ay isang ekonomistang amerikano.
Hindi lamang po salapi ang mahalaga sa bayan. Ito po ang pananaw ng Malaysia, na sinasabi natin na dapat nating tularan.
Ang nangyari po sa ating bayan, sa kagustuhan nating maging mayamang bansa, pati ang ating mga mamamayan at kalikasan ay ating kinalakal.
pete boga
All Filipinos are disfunctionaL except for the few way back from Manuel Quezon to Gloria Arroyo!!
Halos lahat ng taong bayan gustong umalis sa pinas dahil sa: kahirapan ng buhay, seguridad ng tao sa mga kriminal,lahat na bibilhin pagkain at material koriente at tubig mahal, walang araw na hindi trafic masikip halos lahat na lansangan, madumi ang paligid at hangin sa kalsada, lahat na ilog at estero naging tapunan ng basura at walang disciplina mapa politicians at ordinaryong tao man.Meron tayong basehan dahil nakita natin sa ibang bansa ang kaayosan ng kanilang pamumuhay .
Some politicians even state that our country never have any independence at all since the begining because our country is still under the corrupt Filipino goverment far worse than our previous occupier.
Sa akin pananaw as a functional engr,mas mabuti sana sa ikararaming pinoy na noon may balak ang america na maging statehood tayo sa kanila like Puerto Rico di sana karamihan sa atin ay may trabajo sa pinas man O sa america, maayos ang buhay natin at yang ilog Pasig na simbulo ng kalinisan hindi sana nagkaganyan. Sino ang hindi pumayag??? mga hinayupak na politicians ha-ha-ha.Ano ba talaga ang hinahabol natin katanyagan as a republic? Hwag na natin isipin yan wala na, ang dadami kamo ay mga babaeng pilipina OFW na umaalis bilang katulong at inaabuso ng ibang lahi, pinoy sa construcion sites pinapahirapan dahil tatlong buan na wala pang sueldo!!!!
In summary of the above almost all Filipinos are dysfunctional: no virtues and strenght, self laceration way of living, productivity and performance is low due to corruptions, exploiters and Filipino engenuity to survives at all cost.
Tunay na Makabayan
iyo karpo makes a lot of sense…
bobo ang mga puro “identity” ang pinag-uusapan.
If we work hard to make a strong Philippine Economy, then the “Pride” will follow. As it is, whenever we force ourselves to be “Proud to be Pinoy” when there is nothing to be proud of (especially as we have a relatively weak economy), all we have is Arrogance.
All the proud nations of the world have a “Pride” and “Confidence” that is based on economic performance at one time or another. The Japanese are a prime example of a people whose pride is not baseless, but rather, their pride and confidence is a direct result of their economic standing as one of the world’s strongest and most advanced economies.
And that is despite their being copycats whose key cultural manifestations are copied or derived from others. Pre-Industrial Japanese culture was taken whole sale from Chinese culture. They took everything: Chinese characters, the Chinese robes (which became the kimono), chopsticks, and almost everything.
By the end of the 1800’s, the Japanese chose to copy Europe and the West and because of their cultural copying - in fact, almost rejecting their own “Chinese-derived Japanese culture” - their standard of living improved as their economy began to resemble the economies of Western Europe and America.
Wala silang “identity” bullshit na pinagtatalunan ng mga taga-U.P.
For them, what’s important is to learn from those who are better than them in order to BECOME LIKE THEM.
As Japan became very much like a European country in terms of culture, fashion, customs, and economic performance, Japan also overtook China, Korea, and all other Asian countries. Japan even overtook Russia (and beat Russia in the Russo-Japanese War), which, being a Caucasian/European nation made the Japanese proud of themselves.
Is Identity important to getting Pride?
The Japanese have proven that it is NOT IMPORTANT.
The Japanese, instead, proved that economic performance that results from learning the best practices FROM OTHERS WHO ARE MORE SUCCESSFUL THAN YOU can teach you to become just as successful as those successful ones. They even learned English, German, and French voraciously because they needed to send their best students to the West in order to study. Plus, back then, they didn’t have the money to translate all those engineering/science/math textbooks into Japanese, so learning foreign languages was the only way to learn from those foreign textbooks.
Economic Performance, incidentally, is the enabler for everything else.
With a strong economy, you can have funding for high quality education, and you can have funding for a better-trained and better equipped military, and of course, that leads towards winning wars, resulting in MORE PRIDE.
When Japan became rich enough, just before WWI (when they were allies of the British against the Germans), they then decided that it was time to start spending money to translate their textbooks from English and German (or French sometimes) into Japanese.
In short, nauna yung Economic Performance, mamaya na yung “NATIONALISTIC PRIDE in one’s Identity”
If Pinoys learned that Economic Performance ranks way higher than “Identity” in providing a basis for “Pride” and “Confidence”, then and only then will Filipinos become an economically successful nation and only after that will Filipinos have REAL PRIDE.
But if all these academics, communists, and activists (esp. from U.P.) keep insisting that we need to wear g-strings and we need to reject the English Language, that we need to reject everything foreign, that we need to live in bahay kubos, then we will end up becoming like monkeys.
And when that happens, no amount of propaganda about PRIDE in IDENTITY will make Pinoys Proud. Ikahihiya ng mga Pinoy ang kanilang pagka-Pilipino dahilsa kapalpakan ng ekonomiya. Dadami pa lalo ang emigration!
Economic Performance results in REAL PRIDE…
Get that first, and the Pride will follow.
Tokwa
nagkataon lang kasi na ang capital ng bansa ay manila kaya ito ay centro ng lahat ng aktibidades ng bansa. ito ang naging dahilan kaya tinawag na “imperialist manila”. na-focus kasi dito ang halos lahat ng modernisasyon at development activities. narito ang busiest ariport sa pilipinas. minsan may halo din na inggit kaya binansagan itong imperialist. ito ang mas kilala sa ibang bansa. kung ang nadevelop ng husto at naging capital ay cebu or davao, siguro mas maganda ang potential ng tourism at trade at iba rin ang dating. una-una lang yan ika nga.
iyo karpo
Dignity of Labor. That’s one side of the coin. The Philippine economy is more dependent of OFW remittances than any other export products. OFW’s are modern day heroes. They become martyrs when they suffer abuse from employers or when they get no help from Philippine government when help is needed.
The other side of the coin is the question: What’s wrong with the Philippine economy? What drives Filipinos to leave their families to look for risky and low paying jobs abroad? Is this not a problem because OFW’s are heroes and we are proud of them?
Pastilan dong, ikaw ba diri sa abroad mo-hilak gyud ka!
Alan Rendon
its interesting to read your article and the varying messages of Filipinos from different mindset.
I could feel the rage of some who felt maligned and others defend the culture we knew while some others are pretty much appreciative.
obviuosly, from these responses alone we could never get the change that Philippines need. Unless the resistance weakens and slowly abide with what is reasonably acceptable for Filipinos to embrace change and embark a new beginning.
Being in Britain for 8 years now, i have a better view of what Filipinos in the Philippines and abroad. The diffrence is remarkably humongous.
quite reluctantly, I must say we are geting the reputation for being such… a Filipino with mixed identity or the lack of it.
i cant blame regionalism because of the fragmented islands and religious differences amon g others that divides us. I do enjoy the company of fellow bisayans than from other region. And it has nothing to do with social status or the use of native tongue… i feel we do not trust others outside our own region.
Whether iys good or bad, being Filipino, we learn to adapt and adjust and live by. Poverty and the consequential poor management of the government taught us stand for our own… making one Filipino stand for himself and struggle to survive. Like any other means for survival, the fittest lives.
sad but true.
I have no other way of changing the way I want Filipinos to change but to change my self in dealing with Filipinos I meet.
I am A Filipino, Im proud of who I am and I am making a difference right now.
PinoyGarçon
To the author of this post,
Just, a suggestion, maybe you could start making a synthesis of the suggestions, arguments or rants from the different responses to your blog and we can start an awareness campaign of the DO’s and DONT’s to be a functional Filipino, as an individual and as a country. This article has been a catalyst for us to think for a better Philippine society so I guess its time for us to unite, to make others aware. I believe that even with this small step, we can start something to make our country better.
Proud Cebuano
I’ve given up on the idea of being Filipino. I view the label as having been artificially foisted on a group of people by a few so-called leaders at the time when they - and without a real national referendum - were in a hurry to fill in the power slots to be vacated by the exiting foreign masters under a self-serving event called Philippine Independence Day.
This is the clue to our dysfunctionality. We have to accept the fact that there is no such thing as a “Filipino”. We all belong to our various true ethnic origins, i.e. Tagalogs, Visayans, Ilocano, Moro, etc.. And it is to that origin where our true aspirations as a people belong, as well as possibly the means to achieve them. Let’s face it, in the practical scheme of things, do Tagalogs really give a hoot to what’s happening to the rest of this historically put-together country? Or how do the Cebuanos really feel when they have to share the fruits of their hard work and ingenuity in the creation of a successful local economy with people who can’t say thanks in Cebuano?
I think it’s time to look at the hard fact: every linguistic group in the Philippines right now belong to its own bona-fide nationality, and it’s a genuine language shared by those who speak it, not some dialect as it has been hammered to us by an educational system perpetrating a historic deceit.
Only when we SPLINTER into our real identities will we finally find our bearing in this world and not continue to ask who we are (hence this blog’s topic).
We don’t have to be a “nation” of 80 or so million people. Like Andorra, Lietchstentein, Sweden, Norway and other countries of small populations, we can subdivide the Philippines into small INDIVIDUAL COUNTRIES WITH PEOPLE HAVING A REALLY CLEAR IDEA OF WHO THEY ARE AND FOR WHOM THEY SHOULD WORK HARD TO ACHIEVE SUCCESS AS A GROUP.
And as a quick example of a practical solution to stem and control trans-regional migration which has wrought havoc on some more advanced areas of the Philippines, Cebuanos should be required visa to live and work in Manila and vice-versa. Eastern Visayas with Cebu as its capital would be easier to shape into an industrial nation if its economic output is reinvested within its territorial boundaries. Western Visayas would probably become a fishing and agriculture powerhouse, and so on…
Forget Chacha, this is the real radical change that the Philippines should undergo and we should all realize that clinging to that concept of being “Filipino” will only prolong the confusion,
Norma N
I am with you Dudong, one hundred percent. Our OFWs are the real Filipinos to be emulated and honored. They are and do the best of what a real human being should be, living life in the service for others and not just for their self interest.
ken
What makes you a proud Filipino if Philippine economy is weaker than those of South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Malaysia, Singapore and Hongkong? - iyo karpo
What made South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, etc rise up from the ashes and become strong economies is PRECISELY that they are proud of who they are and fiercely proud of their country. The pride comes first before the strong economy, not the other way around. If we are
Mcboni
Bat ganun? tuwing sinusulat nyo ang word na PILIPINO laging nagsisimula sa titik na “F” (FILIPINO). pati ba naman pagbigkas nito makadayuhan pa rin?, wala na, talagang sa isip sa salita at sa gawa………dayuhan pa rin. bad trip!
francis jay
Ah,Nick Joaquin was mentioned in this blog. Wasn’t he the one who accused the Filipino people of being “unable to think big”? Case in point: why buy the entire cigarette pack when you can buy “tingi”? I often ask that myself,among other things peculiar to this colorful country. Why change the constitution when the existing one is continually being abused, undermined and twisted by powerful people (read:lawyers and congressmen)to suit their needs? And if it is changed,does it follow that the Filipinos will abide by it? Why do we even tolerate the bizzare concept of convict Erap Estrada running again for president? Why do our “brilliant” politicians put their names on waiting sheds,buildings,bridges,schools,gyms,etc as if they own these,or spent for the construction thereof? And if this is a third world country,how come malls are sprouting out everywhere,and luxury vehicles are parked in their multi storey parking from top to bottom? Why are there pedicabs and tricycles plying major thoroughfares and highways? Why do Filipinos spit anywhere? Just asking.
Alex
“There is no such thing as ‘Imperial Manila’, saan kaya nila pinagkukuha ang mga ito.” — baka nakuha nila kay Ninoy. Si Ninoy ata nagsabi nyan eh.
I personally believe that Manila politics is Philippine politics. A foreign political writer also said…”Philippine politics is the affair of the rich.” Don’t you just love the family feud between Arroyo and Estrada? This is the best soap opera EVER!!!
On the other hand, it was a conscious effort of President Arroyo to distribute power down south. It’s very unpopular but I do agree with changing to a parliamentary form of government. It’ll give more power for grassroot politicians. I’d like to further believe that it’ll spur more growth to the local economy.
And there’s an added benefit of provinces proceeding with their legislations while Manila is busy reviewing Hayden Kho’s portfolio.
Manila should give opportunity to syanos to prove them wrong about the stereotypical Amay Bisaya. Those who have their senses straight should not be entangled with Manila politics…otherwise called the buzz.
Alex
“Will you be proud to be identified as a Filipino when see your fellow countrymen working as caregivers, nannies, or unskilled laborers?” — iyo karpo
They have more dignitity than their town mayors…that’s for sure. Do we really have any status in the international community? As much as Vietnam has and you can count the years before Filipinos will be taking care of their babies. We’re lucky we’re on the right side during cold war, otherwise–with the public officials that we have–we could’ve been worse than Cambodia. You have to live with it.
Personally, I stopped caring about my standing as a foreigner from the Philippines. Some people will look highly of you, some won’t. But I never stopped loving the Philippines. I love my cultural heritage. I love to eat my sutukil in the beach drinking tuba. I plan to grow old where I was born. Some of my friends don’t understand this…some keep prodding me of settling down abroad.
It surely isn’t pride but I love being a Filipino.
r .santos
to proud cebuanos, oo tama ka dapat hiwa hiwalay,dapat hiwalay na makati, marikina,valenzuela,caloocan , malabon navotas,all the city ,kasi mass malake and revenue na pinapasok niyan sa gobyerno ng philippines compara mo sa cebu mo,at ibang visaya town. this will fixed you rigth are you happy with that….navotas can build his own state the fisheries fort alone mass malake ang income niyan kasa sa visayan ilet. at para tayong tinad -tad na basa. ihope itigil ninyo na ang pride o arrogant manner mag bago na kayo…puro kayabangan walang mangyayare… ma-awa kayo sa mga nag ta -trabajo sa abroad. na nag papakamatay sa hirap. para huwag ng maging pabigat sa basa at kahit papano makapag padala kami ng pera sa mga magulang ,kapati pamakin at kamag anak, kung kailagan ng tulong. pero kung kayo ay di mag kakaisa ay dapat na nga lang ay hiwahiwalay na tayo. YOU CANNOT MILK A DISCONTENTED MOTHER….. PHILIPPINES!? KAYA SA ELECTION PILIIN NINYO MABUTE AT MAAYOS ANG INYONG PABOTO NG LEADER. ALINSIN ANG MGA HINAYOPAC NA MGA CORRUPT LEADER. AT ALISIN NA ANG TERRORIST SA BANSA. MAG SI PAGBAGO NA KAYO.. ONE COUNTRY ONE PEOPLE..MABUHAY ANG BOONG PHILIPPINES.
Alex
“What made South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, etc rise up from the ashes and become strong economies is PRECISELY that they are proud of who they are and fiercely proud of their country. The pride comes first before the strong economy, not the other way around. If we are” — Ken
hmmmmm…very good point. Leadership 101…you need to create identity and sense of belongingness to the group. You need to give them reasons to be proud of who they are. Without this…you’re just a bunch of individuals who happened to be in the same place at the same time.
francis jay
I have suspicions that expats and foreigners who decide to stay long here say that they “love” this country only in a condescending manner. What’s not to like,eh? I mean,if you can stand the 38 degree heat,sudden storms,pollution and traffic,your dollar,euro,franc, deutsche mark,pound sterling,yen or won will go a long way here. Observe that for two thousand dollars you can probably buy a young wife. A British plumber on holiday can stay in a five star hotel,visit exotic beaches and eco-tourism destination and be treated like the King of his country (if he looks noble enough) for less than what his annual poll taxes would probably cost him in Britain. Manila? Nice place to spend money on-so little goes a long long way. (Many miserable Filipino couples with 5 children get by on less than five dollars a day! So much like Bangladesh.) Everything else is bizaarely third world, the politics is totally wacky and completely hopeless.
tob
Will you be proud to be identified as a Filipino when see your fellow countrymen working as caregivers, nannies, or unskilled laborers? - Iyo karpo
Ang katanungan po ay may patagong pangma-maliit sa manggagawa. Bawat tao po ay may iba ibang hilig at kakayahan. Kung tayo po ay gagawa ng marangal, hindi natin ito dapat ikahiya. Iyan nga po ang lisya natin, marami ang ibig maging pangulo, alkalde, senador, congressmen, barangay captain, eh wala namang paghahanda para maging mga pinuno. Dapat pa nating ikarangal ang mga caregiver, dahil sila ay may training, ang ibang (hindi lahat) politiko paano ba naghanda?
Masarap bigkasin ang weak economy, pero ano ba ang ibig nating sabihin. Siguro dapat muna nating balangkasin kung ano ba ang sa ating palagay ay kaibig-ibig na kalagayan ng ekonomiya. At ang tanong, ekonomiya para kanino? Baka naman maganda nga sa panlabas ang ekonomiya, ang mga tao naman ay walang maihatag sa hapag kainan.
Naaalala ko bago alisin ang Ft. Bonifacio sa Makati, ang dahilan ay higit na malaki ang kikitain kung ito ay papaupahan. Ganito po ang pag-iisip ng mga mangangalakal, sa salapi sinusukat ang lahat. Ang tanong dito, ano ang mas mahalaga, ang upa o ang seguridad?
Tulad ng mga plantasyon sa Mindanao na nasa lupain ng mga katutubo. Napalayas po ang mga katutubo dahil hindi sila nagbabayad ng upa na tulad ng mga korporasyon.
Tulad ng mga palaisdaan sa mga lawa at tabing dagat. Naagawan na po ang mga mangingisda ng kabuhayan dahilan sa wala silang pambayad sa permiso di tulad ng mga may palaisdaan.
Tulad ng ating mga magsasaka na hindi makakuha ng makakuha ng magandang presyo sa kanilang ani dahilan sa mga angkat na produkto.
Tulad ng naglalakihang golf courses dahilan sa mas malaki ang bayad ng mga banyagang manlalaro kaysa mga magsasakang namamatay ang lupa dahilan sa nakakalasong pataba ng mga golf courses.
Tulad ng nag-gagandahang mga subivision na itinayo sa ibabaw ng mga ilog at patubig na nagdudulot ng pagbaha at kakulangan ng tubig.
Tulad ng naglalakihang mga hasyenda na malaki ang kitang ibinibigay sa mga hasyendero ngunit tila alipin ang mga manggagawa.
Tulad ng mga ipinagbabawal na droga na malaki ang kita ng mga kapitalista subalit sinisira ang buhay ng mga mamamayan.
Tulad ng mga malalaking pasugalan na malaki ang kita ng mga financer subalit nasusugapa ang mga mamamayan.
Kagaya ng mga pagawaan na nagtatambak ng mga nakalalasong kemikal sa mga ilog.
Marami pa ang halimbawa, para kanino ba talaga ang kaunlaran?
roger lasquite
global na rin at halos lahat ng mamamayan ng bawat bansa sa buong mundo e halos nagawa ang mga ginagawa ng mga OFW,at syempre lahat e me natututunan dito at patuloy na nagiging paraan upang maisa-ayos ang lahat.Marami pang kailangang gawin lalo na para sa proteksyon ng bawat mga nangingibang bansa at mga manggagawa at syempre,ang mga tao,at tayo e alam bahagi ng pagsasa-ayos.’Yung mga naunang nagpuntahan sa US,e pag-nabasa natin ang kanilang mga istorya o mga pahapyaw na pahayag ng mga ibang manunulat e mapapa-isip ka,yung me pagdiriwang sila bilang pag-alaala sa kanilang mga pamilya na yumao na at nauna na nagdala sa kanila kanilang kinaroroonan ngayon at ang mga karanasang naipasa sa kanila,…’Ellis Island’…at dahil sa mga karanasang iyon e nagagamit nila ngayon upang huwag ng maulit at maranasan ng iba,ngunit…syempre,lahat e proseso,’ang isang maganda ngayon e,lumabas ka ng bansa,e at least alam mo na maka-ipon ka lang ng pamasahe e kahit paano makaka-uwi ka at pag-gusto magagawa e noon daw e hindi mo na alam kung makakabalik ka pa sa iyong pinagmulan,at kaya nga po kailangang umunlad at ng maka-uwi,…pag-naririnig ko nga yung sinasabi ng mismong mga kababayan natin na nasa Maynila lang e hindi raw maka-uwi sa Bisaya ng kung me-ilang taon na e napapa…e di lalo na ang sa ibang bansa,…at tutuo,me pamangkin ako nagka-asawa sa banda roon e hindi raw maka-uwi o makabalik,dahil malaki ang pamasaheng kailangan,at sa Manila pa lang e halos lahat ng klase ng trabaho e GAGAWIN din.Dahil kailangan.Ang masakit e,o madalas e walang makuha o mapasukan.Makihalubilo tayo sa alam natin na mga hirap at ng tutuong makita natin ang tutuong lagay at kung saan pa tayo naroon at kung gaano pa karami ang tutuong malaki pa ang pangangailangan,at tutuo kailangang tayo ay tumulong.
Dudong
Iyo Karpo: Glad you view OFWs as heroes too. Their willingness to sacrifice for their family is truly admirable. Their selflessness makes me proud of them. It is in this context that I am proud to be a Filipino.
As for the maladies of the Philippines - corruption, poverty, crime, low access to quality education etc., these are an entirely different matter. How can one be proud of our corrupt, selfish, chronically lying politicians, their greedy families, cronies etc. that do tremendous damage to the nation and its people? Nice to have all these plunderers executed. They bring nothing but shame,shame and shame to the country.
Judge Florentino Floro
Crab Mentality is the essential ingredient of Filipino members in Filipino Forums, especially in PinoyExchange Forums, in Wikipedia, Wikinews and Wikimedia Commons. This trait is a CURSE due to dire illnesses upon their loved ones up to the 4th generation …
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Major Tom
Really great observation and I say it’s almost exact in descriptions of traits.
i wonder if all this boils down to a negatory whole effect rather than a positive one.
Which should be a good point to extricate farther—for wider discussion.
john de leon
hindi kasi tayo ang nauna, nanggagaya tayo, magsusuot kaba ng bahag tulad ng ifugao ngayon? Lahat naman nanggagaya, sino ba umembento ng sasakyan? tapos ang koreano mayron ng sariling pagawaan mataas ang tingin sa kanila, dapat! Colonial ang pag iisip ng Pilipino? sige magluto ka sa palayok at de uling, kami sa kaldero at stove. Ibig kong sabihin hindi masama ang tumingin sa moderno at gumaya sa madaling paraan ng pamumuhay. Tulad ng mga doktor na kumukuha ng nursing para maka America at mas guminhawa ang buhay. Kaya nilang lunukin yun. Ang masama ay ang manggulang ka ng kapwa; politicos, watch out!! ung mga jueteng lords na back up ng politician, ung iba hero pa ang tawag!!! ung ang dapat pagbalingan natin ng pansin, mag umpisa tayo sa sarili, na hindi tayo manglalamang para maka angat at maka ranas ng ginhawa sa buhay.
john de leon
bayaan nyo na lang sa kakaunti ang anthropological lectures na yan, ang gawin nyong scholars ay pano mapapapanig ang nakakaramihan ng Pinoy sa tama, nagbubulagbulagan ang lahat pag pera na ang nagsalita, so, hindi tayo unique, pareho lang tayo ng ibang lahi, para maging unique, at karapat dapat maging proud, lagi tayo sa tama, ex. “Sir, baka naman pwede na nating pag usapan ito?” we offer the fruit of sin!! then “Oh sige magkano ba dala mo dyan.” we take a bite!!! sana may mag umpisa at hindi bibitiw sa tama, kulong kung kulong. Yung iba jan may sariling Burger machine sa loob ng kulungan!!!
iyo karpo
Are you proud of this news?
“First Posted 22:25:00 07/31/2009
Filed Under: Overseas Employment, Poverty
TACLOBAN CITY — When they could no onger bear the abuses of their employers in the Middle East, two overseas Filipino workers (OFW) from Leyte tried to commit suicide.
The Overseas Workers Welfare Administration (Owwa) identified them as Faye Bolic, 23, of Palo town, and Jenelyn Bacaltos, 20, of Carigara town.
Bolic had worked as a domestic helper in Saudi Arabia for about three months and returned to the country on July 14, while Bacaltos, who had a two-year job contract in Jordan, still has to be repatriated, Alberto Peñaflor, Owwa regional information officer said last week.
Bolic left the country on April 9 and cut her wrists in a suicide attempt early this month as a way of ending long hours of work and physical abuse by her female employer, her mother Leticia, 60, said.”
OFW’S are not just heroes, they have become martyrs too! What’s wrong with this country?
Can’t Philippine poverty be fixed?
mang godo
OFW’S two overseas Filipino workers (OFW) from Leyte tried to commit suicide.What’s wrong with this country? says iyo karpo.
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there is nothing wrong in this country. everything is normal but i guess you are a little bit abnormal.
two domestic helpers tried to commit suicide … what is wrong with that.
there are 90million filipinos and you made a statement what is wrong in the country.
baka naman pati pag ebak nyan e ibalita mo pa .
just forget about that two, and there are good things to do.
don’t bother… magbasa ka ng may sense, you stories are all senseless and nonsense iyo karpo.
tob
Iyo Karpo says: Can’t Philippine poverty be fixed?
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Bago ang lahat, nakikipagluksa ako sa buong bayan sa pagkamatay ng dating pangulo.
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Mahirap kasi, ang mga politiko natin ay naging mga pinuno dahilan lamang sa pansariling ambisyon. Kapag nasa poder na, ang tanong “ano na ang gagawin?” Wala man lamang mga ideya at imahihasyon o kahit na anong plata porma. Kaya hayon, natutulog sa mga pulong sa kongreso, naglalasing maghapon, kung saan saan ginagastos ang pera na dapat ay ginagamit sa pagsasaliksik para sa kaunlaran.
Kung nais natin tulungan ang bayan, dapat tanggapin natin na walang pamahalaan o ang pamahalaan ang sagabal sa kaunlaran. Ang mga pinoy sa ibang bayan ay kayang kaya lutasin ang mga suliranin kung gugustuhin, tutal malaki ang ambag ng mga OFW sa bansa, huwag lang pagagamit sa mga politiko.
Sa aking pananaw lamang, ang unang dapat mawala ay ang hasyenda system, dahilan sila ang pinagmumulan ng mga politiko, at higit na mainam sa kanilang pananaw na nagdarahop ang mga tao upang sila ay may mga alipin. Suriin ninyo ang mga kandidato, halos lahat ay mula sa mayayamang nagmamay-ari ng lupa.
Ikalawa dapat matigil ang warlordism at karahasan. Nasa kamay ng sandatahang lakas ito, ngunit kung hindi nila gagawin, maaari tayong lumapit sa UN o sa ibang demokratikong bayan. Mahirap pong maghanap buhay kung alam natin na maaari itong agawin sa atin ng mga mararahas.
Ikatlo ang talastasan dahilan sa madali ang kalakalan kung tayo ay nakakapag-usap.
Ikaapat ang mga lansangan at transportasyon upang makarating ang mga kalakal sa buong bayan.
Ikalima, nararapat na ayusin ang ating buwis. Napakalaki ang buwis ng mga manggagawa at wala na silang naiiwang ipon na maaaring magamit sa pagtatayo ng negosyo o kaalwanan. Bantad sa atin na ang mag-anak na pinoy ay extended, ika nga binubuhay natin ang ating magulang, asawa, anak, kapatid, pati mga kaapu-apuhan. Subalit ang deductible lang natin ay ang anak. Dumaan po ako dito kaya alam ko. Sa ibayong dagat po ay deductible lahat ang mga ito pati na ang pagpapaaral sa mga anak, gamot at hospital bills, at ang interes sa utang pabahay at amilyar sa lupa. Pati po ang ipon para sa katandaan ay deductible.
Bukod dito, mas mainam may malinaw tayong larawan kung kailan natin masasabing tayo ay maunlad na. Ika nga eh parang checklist.
1. lahat nakakakain ng tatlong beses isang araw
2. libreng paaral hanggang mataas na paaralan
3. paaralang publiko bawat 6 na kilometro, ika nga eh kayang lakarin
4. telepono bawat pamilya
5. lahat ng pamilya ay kayang magkabahay
6. kuryente bawat bahay
7. traktora bawat bukirin
8. panghakot na trak bawat bukirin
9. lansangan sa lahat ng lupalop, ika nga, kahit saan ka sa bansa, kayang marating ang bahay mo, o kaya mong makaalis
10. lisensiya sa negosyo ay makukuha sa loob ng 2 oras, itigil ang red tape at suhulan
marami pa pong maaaring idagdag, iyan ay aking suhestiyon lamang.
paano natin maaaring gawin ito? tutal marami naman pong grupo ang mga lalawigan sa ibang bayan, bakit hindi po kaya natin tulungan ang ating mga lalawigan (marami na po ang gumagawa nito). Ang panukala ko lamang ay maki-alam na tayo sa economic planning ng ating mga barrio at huwag nating ipaubaya sa mga politiko. Hindi na natin kailangan magtayo ng bagong organisasyon. May mga international organizations na gumagawa nito tulad ng Red Cross, at marami pa, makikialam na lamang tayo.
Proud Cebuano
The saying is that united we stand, divided we fall. But how long have we’ve been trying to be united but we’ve never seem to achieve it? And why not? It’s because, REALLY, we are not one nation but several ones - if you go by the definition of nation as an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family, often speaking the same language or cognate languages.
There’s the operative phrase: speaking the same language.
How much time has already passed when it was conceived and imposed on the “Filipinos” a national language (based on Tagalog, mind you, without the benefit of asking the whole archipelago if they didn’t have any objections to the choice) and yet one travels outside of the “capital” and encounters a communication problem with one’s supposed countrymen. What does this tell you? Isn’t this indicative of the falseness of the concept of Filipino nationhood?
BTW, other multilingual countries (like Belgium, Canada, Spain, Switzerland, etc.) have had to deal with nationhood issue as well, some - like the ongoing Basque problem, the Flemish insurrection, or the Quebecois separatism among others - show how language can be the stumbling block for any call to national unity.
The difference between those countries and the Philippines is that the former’s populations and resources are fairly manageable and whose citizens have a pragmatic need to stay within the present framework. This country, on the other hand, with more than almost a hundredfold people in its limited territory and common resources should now try a new formula to micromanage the various linguistic nations under its umbrella.
It’s about time we own up to the fact that we can never be good for each other together if we don’t even communicate clearly and efficiently to each other. Hence, we should now let go of being “Filipinos” but let’s try our hands at being Cebuanos, Tagalogs, Ilocanos, Pampanguenos, Moros, etc… all striving and working for the greater good of our fellow ethnic group members ONLY.
This is the true solution to what’s been brought up here as the glaring problem: an IDENTITY CRISIS that has left us for so long a time in a QUAGMIRE!
Tell me this isn’t so…anyone?
barister98
well the business outsourcing portion of the total workforce right now is not even 1 %. just the same it gives our graduates an opportunity to immediately enjoy having a modest monthly salary to enjoy their post college life.
hayy
kinilabutan ako sa last interview ni cory nung sinabi nyang “natutuwa ako na isa akong pilipino”
kasi ako minsan nasasabi ko sa sarili ko kapag nakikita ko yung nangyayari sa paligid ko at lalo na ang ugali ng nakakarami sa pilipinas “hayy bakit ba ako naging pilipino, bakit ba ko nandito sa pilipinas”
Taga-ilog
Bakit nga ba nagkakaroon ng communication problem.
Scenario like this: Bisaya or tagalog are mixed up. Let’s say majority are bisaya, bakit mag sasalita ng bisaya while may tagalog na kasama at nakikinig?
Sino ang nag start ng conflict, while we all know na magagaling din naman kayong magsalita ng tagalog.
summit oh
When we discribe our traits, attributes, character, etc. we use Tagalog (Malay origin), but we call ourselves Filipinos after Felipe, King of Spain, and our country Philippines, after the English version of Felipe, Philip. We may not be conscious of it, but it is built into our psyche (subconscious); it is colonialism.
Until we change both names to Malayan origin, as all the other Southeast Asian countries have done according to their origins, we will always be struggling with our identity and other cultural hang-ups.
summit oh
When we discribe our traits, attributes, character, etc. we use Tagalog (Malay origin), but we call ourselves Filipinos after Felipe, King of Spain, and our country Philippines, after the English version of Felipe, Philip. We may not be conscious of it, but it is built into our psyche (subconscious); it is colonialism.
Until we change both names to Malayan origin, as all the other Southeast Asian countries have done according to their origins, we will always be struggling with our identity and other cultural hang-ups. Listen to our intellectuals, they are in the minority, but they know what to do.
tob
Kay Proud Cebuano.
Mawalang galang na po, maari po ba pakibasa ang mga napag-usapan na? Tila po kayo banyaga na subasabat na hindi inaalam ang pinag-uusapan, hindi inaalala ang opinyon ng iba at ang sariling opinyon lamang ang mahalaga. O baka naman kayo reaksyonaryo na pilit ibinabalik ang usapin sa lahi upang hindi mapag-usapan ang ekonomiya at ang hindi patas na pagkakahati ng yamang bayan? Masakit din po ang dating ng tinuran ninyo na tila isang wika lamang ang kayang matutunan ng pinoy. Ayon po sa pagsusuri ang dami ng wikang alam ay nagpapatalas sa isipan. Ibig sabihin, higit na marami ang wikang dapat aralin, higit na tumatalas ang isipan.
Dudong
Maayong adlaw. kahit ano pang dialect natin, pwede pa ring magkaisa as Pinoys pag may rallying point, mas malaki at mas mahalagang bagay kesa sa ating mga sarili,rehiyon o buhay. Nung People Power halimbawa, iba-ibang tao ang nandun - pangalatoks, bisaya, tagalog, bicolano, kapampangans etc. United tayo sa ating paghangad sa demokrasya.
Pwede pa ring magkasama sama ang Pinoys maging sa ngayon. Di lang mga Tarlac people ang nalulungkot sa pagpanaw ni Tita Cory. Di lang limitado sa isang rehiyon ang galit sa corruption. Hindi po natin kailangan pang palitan ang pangalan ng bansa para lang magkaisa.
Proud Cebuano
Taga-ilog,
Unya kung ang scenario ingon ani: kung daghan ang Tagalog ug naay usa ka Bisaya ngano man gyud nga magtinagalog raman sila ug dili magbinisaya sad?
See Taga-ilog, it works both ways!..Exactly the communication problem I’m talking about and therefore we’ll never form any semblance of unity as a people because we’ll always think, act and express ourselves in the language that we are comfortable in and one which can carry our true feelings.
Since you brought up the advantage of learning more languages that one can handle, I suggest that YOU learn other languages to the level of MASTERY not simply being able to pick up and use some words and claim that you know enough already. Mediocrity is not something to really opt for.
Re-read your posts and see if you actually made sense because of your reliance on Taglish. It took me some time and patience to get the points you were directing at me. And why should I have to?
In my case, I can say with confidence that I’m good in my native Cebuano tongue as well as in English because of my local educational training. The Cebuano I use daily in my social and part business life and English also for business and in foreign travels. There is no need for me to master Tagalog. As far as I’m concerned I don’t need to even visit the Tagalog region except that because of a historical IMPOSITION on the other linguistic nations that comprise the so-called Philippines, I sometimes have to go to the seat of the current Philippine government. AND, needless to say, I RESENT IT!
I want my own Cebuano nation, my Cebuano country!
By the way, when I say Cebuano nation I mean to include NOT JUST CEBU but all the other provinces the native or dominant language of which is based on CEBUANO.
Do your research and see that we are one formidable group and if we become independent or autonomous we can pursue our own national economic destiny in a more focused way without dragging other linguistic regions AS BAGGAGE.
This is how we can shed the shackles of being “Filipino”. And we all have been talking here about what it means to be one…
tob
Kay Summit Oh,
Ginoo, nasaan po ba kayo ng nakaraang kalahating dantaon? Nagsimula po ang identity crisis ng pinoy nong ina-asianize ni Marcos ang bansa. Wala pong identity crisis bago noon. Kalaban po ng Pilipinas ang lahat ng nakapaligid na bayan bago po dumating ang kastila at maging noong panahon ng kastila. Nasa pag-asianize ng bansa lamang niya maisasakatuparan ang diktadura dahilan hindi po katanggap tanggap sa kanluranin nating kultura ang diktadura. Kung inyo pong babasahin, kahit po noong panahon ng kastila tayo po ay may kinatawan sa audencia ng espanya. Kahit po ang pilipinas ay binubuo ng iba’t ibang lalawigan, kung tayo po ay ihahanay sa ibang bayan sa asya, kapansin pansin na tayo ay galing sa iisang bayan. ang pag-asianize po ng pinoy ay propaganda rin ng mga maka-kaliwa dahilan sa sila noong dekada setenta ay suportado ng tsina. Noong kapanahunan na yaon ay nakikialam ang tsina sa maliliit na bansa sa southeast asia at kanyang hinihimok ang mga ethnic na tsino sa pagiging komunista. Inililihis din po ng mga makakaliwa ang diwa ng bayan patungo sa usapan sa lahi upang hindi mapag-usapan ang ekonomiya dahilan ang kanilang ideyolohiya ay nabubuhay sa tunggalian ng manggagawa at kapitalista. Salungat din sila sa kaunlaran dahilan sa kadahupan po nabubuhay ang diktadura na kanilang balak itayo. Lutasin natin ang ating ekonomiya sa mahinahong paraan at walang ideyolohiya at karahasan.
tob
Karagdagan,
Ginoong Summit Oh,
Ang pinoy po ay hinding hindi magiging malay, tsino, o asyano, na nais ninyo dahil ang pinoy po ay may sarili nang katutubo, Ilokano, Pangasinense, Ifugao, Kalinga, Igorot, Kapampangan, Agta, Aeta, Tagalog, Bikolano, Bisaya, Ilongo, Waray, Maranao, Tausug, Tiboli at ang lahat ng mga iba pang katutubo ng bayan. Kaya po kayong nalilito ay kung saan saan ninyo hinahanap ang pinoy na narito lamang.
Man from Manila
To proud Cebuano,
Marami sa bloggers dito ang gustong mag-kaisa tayo at magkasundo anuman ang pagkakaiba ng ating pananalita. Sang-ayon ako sa kanila at ito ay simbolo ng magandang kaisipan. Ako ay proud Pinoy at pinagmamalaki ko ang aking mga kaibigang Cebuano, Ilocano, Kapampangan, Tausug, Maranao, at iba pa saan man sila nanggaling at saan man sila makarating. Lahat sila ay may kagandahan at angking talino na bumubuo ng bansang nagkakaisa. Lahat tayo ay magkakapatid sa dugo at hindi lang basta magkababayan. Kung sa iyong pananaw ay mas makakabuti na ang mga Cebuano at ang Cebu ay magsarili ng landas, aba eh walang walang pumipigil sa inyo. Simulan mo na and Good luck!
Mr. Praktikal
Hoy Proud Cebuano!
Ito ang sabi mo:
“I want my own Cebuano nation, my Cebuano country!”
Ito naman ang sabi ko:
Madali lang yan. Ngayon pa lang, bumili ka ng sagwan at isagwan mo ang Cebu kasama ang mga Cebuano sa gitna ng Pacific Ocean at magtayo kayo ng sarili nyong bansa, gobyerno, at bandila. Praktikal di ba?
Magaling kayong mag-ingles?, aba sang-ayon ako dyan.
Ang pronounciation nyo nga sa “baby” eh “bibi”..di ba okey yun? galing nyo di ba? o anong say mo? he he he he….
Lapis at Papel
Filipino dysfunctions are not always credited to someone who has the inability to speak other languages aside from his/her local dialect.
We must have a deeper knowledge and a wider mindset on what is happening to the Filipino people and why we have this kind of abnormality.
tob
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Proud Cebuano says:
By the way, when I say Cebuano nation I mean to include NOT JUST CEBU but all the other provinces the native or dominant language of which is based on CEBUANO.
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Mawalang galang na Proud Cebuano, hindi po si Taga-Ilog, kundi ang sinabi ko ang tinutukoy ninyo.
Ginoong Cebuano, sang-ayon ako sa iyo na dapat ay mayroon kang sariling bansa. Ikaw lamang - dahilan sa hindi ako naniniwala na lahat ng Cebuano ay pareho ang pananaw.
Unang una, dahilan sa ang iyong pananaw ay hindi Pilipino, kundi pananaw na banyaga. Labis pong “racist” ang inyong tendency. Hindi po ganyan ang pinoy. Pero kung isasama mo lahat ng lugar na marami ang nagsasalita ng cebuano, eh huwag mong aalipinin ang mga katutubo sa Mindanao tulad ng mga Maranao, Tausug, Badjao, mga Lumad at iba pang mga katutubo, pati na rin ang mga Waray sa Leyte, dahilan sa maaari silang lumapit sa United Nations at iba pang demokratikong bansa upang humingi ng proteksyon laban sa iyong “racist” na pamahalaan.
Taglish, is a lingua franca, kumbaga, eh praktical na lenguahe, hindi po ako purista.
Proud Cebuano
tob: “Ibig sabihin, higit na marami ang wikang dapat aralin, higit na tumatalas ang isipan.”
Ka maayo nimo mosulti baya…unya ngano usa raman ka linguaje ang imong nahibaw-an?
Ngano sige ka man lang mag-Tinagawog. Di kaman gani maka inglis. Saba diha uy!
Proud Cebuano
tob,
Kani akong guihunahuna, dili racist kundi nationalistic, to the nation of Cebuanos or to the biggest linguistic group in the country. As a nation we have to forge our own identity and destiny. For so long a time, without our consent, we have been pinned to the artificial idea of being part of the “Philippines” when in fact we, the descendants of Lapulapu - the slayer of the white colonizer - are different in so many ways from other so-called “Filipinos”. Our habits, temperament and our general way of life are distinct from the those in Luzon and some parts of Western Visayas and Mindanao. You only have to come to Cebu or the other Cebuano-speaking places to see or feel the difference.
So it’s time that my people stand up for themselves and veer away from being labeled something that we are not. Give the Philippines to those who want it and are hopeful it will turn out well after the unredeemable blunders in its history.
Cebuanos are a practical and pragmatic people and we can not be made to feel bright-eyed in the Philippines’ future.
r .santos
to proud cebuano, kung baga sa kabayong panga-rera {RACING HORSE} ay naka blinker ka….. wala kanang makita left o right at sige ang takbo mo at akala mo sa sarile mo ay ikaw ay napaka-bilis tumakbo. ganito ang kaisipan mo .kung i halimbawa ko ang pag katao mo. malawak ang mundo.hinde lahat ng cebuano ay sang ayon sa iyo…may be the abu sayef,J.I. na tinutugis na sa indonesia sa mga terror na nagawa sa bansa nila.iyan ang tipo ng pagka-filipino mo.hinde ko alam kung tama ako o mali. piki usap ko sa iyo kailangan ay maging malawak ang isip mo.at pati paningin.at kung mag cebuano ka.pabayan ko nalang ok lang.sa aming mga tagalog. kong saan ka maligaya. thanks to tobs. mang gado,dudong and others…masarap basahin ang mga sinulat ninyo dito at malaki ang natutuhan bilang iisang lahi..nating mga filipino.hinde lang maka sarile at mapaka bayan.marami ang nagbabasa nitong mga blog…buong mundo.mayroon malawak kaisipan at mayroon naman makitid…
Proud Cebuano
r. santos,
Wa gyud koy hibaw-an anang karera sa kabayo kay di man ko sugarol. Pero kung imo kung ipareho sa kabayo, pwes, basta usa ka kabayo nga mudaug. Ang mga Cebuano mudaug gyud kung kami lang ang molihok para sa among kaugmaan!
Alex
r. santos said: “to proud cebuanos, oo tama ka dapat hiwa hiwalay,dapat hiwalay na makati, marikina,valenzuela,caloocan , malabon navotas,all the city ,kasi mass malake and revenue na pinapasok niyan sa gobyerno ng philippines compara mo sa cebu mo,at ibang visaya town. this will fixed you rigth are you happy with that….navotas can build his own state the fisheries fort alone mass malake ang income niyan kasa sa visayan ilet. at para tayong tinad -tad na basa. ihope itigil ninyo na ang pride o arrogant manner mag bago na kayo…puro kayabangan walang mangyayare… ma-awa kayo sa mga nag ta -trabajo sa abroad. na nag papakamatay sa hirap. para huwag ng maging pabigat sa basa at kahit papano makapag padala kami ng pera sa mga magulang ,kapati pamakin at kamag anak, kung kailagan ng tulong. pero kung kayo ay di mag kakaisa ay dapat na nga lang ay hiwahiwalay na tayo. YOU CANNOT MILK A DISCONTENTED MOTHER….. PHILIPPINES!? KAYA SA ELECTION PILIIN NINYO MABUTE AT MAAYOS ANG INYONG PABOTO NG LEADER. ALINSIN ANG MGA HINAYOPAC NA MGA CORRUPT LEADER. AT ALISIN NA ANG TERRORIST SA BANSA. MAG SI PAGBAGO NA KAYO.. ONE COUNTRY ONE PEOPLE..MABUHAY ANG BOONG PHILIPPINES.”
What a waste of space. I can’t see how anything you said adds to the argument. If you can refrain from ad hominem and focus on challenging the idea…but then again from your language construction and thought process…this is too big for you.
Alex
To Proud Cebuano
I have to disagree in creating an entirely separate country for Visayas region. We’ve gone a long way to forge that sense of identity as Filipinos though we didn’t start in ideal manner. True, little is known about the Republic of Bohol that the locals proposed because they weren’t sure whether Manila is going to reach out to them. But hey…look at Saudi…I can’t complain. At the least, I think we are more of a country than Iraq. Even a separate muslim country in Mindanao is already a hard sell for me.
What we need is a system which will facilitate faster decision making process. A system that can embrace the unique conditions in different areas. A system that will lend locals the ability to create custom fit policies. Well, that is the theory. Centralization has been the dominant idea for quite some time…but I also believe there is a growing appreciation now in the theory of decentralization.
As to polarizing our society…of maybe north and south. At some level division is healthy. IMHO, American politics is the most successful in the world because they tend to be polarized/divided in their political views–as opposed to our system which is divided by interest or affinity. What nurtures an idea and make it grow stronger is subjecting it to constant challenges.
Evaluating GMA in the same perspective…I honestly thought she would be in for a surprise when she tried “reconciliation process” with the opposition right after she won/rigged the election. Call me Machiavelian but I do believe that to become a strong leader you need to divide the flock–between them and us. You have to be comfortable in conflict. You have to know your enemies and crush them before they crush you. Look at the mess she is in right now. She needs a lot of compromises and literally lots of money to stay in power. She is digging her hole faster than she can get her hands to any source of money.
…moving back to the discussion. Nationalism aside, why do you think creating a separate Visayan country will benefit us right now?
Alex
Proud Cebuano said “Cebuanos are a practical and pragmatic people”
mao jud bro! amen… deritso istorya.
Mr. Praktikal
r santos,
tama ang sinabi mo. maraming bloggers dito na malawak ang pag-iisip pero meron din naman makikitid ang isip. pero itong si proud cebuano, walang talagang pag-iisip.
tob
Proud Cebuano says:
Kani akong guihunahuna, dili racist kundi nationalistic, to the nation of Cebuanos or to the biggest linguistic group in the country. As a nation we have to forge our own identity and destiny. For so long a time, without our consent, we have been pinned to the artificial idea of being part of the “Philippines” when in fact we, the descendants of Lapulapu - the slayer of the white colonizer - are different in so many ways from other so-called “Filipinos”. Our habits, temperament and our general way of life are distinct from the those in Luzon and some parts of Western Visayas and Mindanao. You only have to come to Cebu or the other Cebuano-speaking places to see or feel the difference.
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Ginoong Proud Cebuano,
Cebu po ang unang kolonya ng espanya sa pilipinas. Si Miguel Lopez de Legaspi po ay alkalde sa cebu.
Sinakop po ni Legaspi ang maynila sa pamamagitan ng mga katutubong cebuano. Ayon sa mga tala, 50 katao lamang ang tropa ni Legaspi kasama ang ilandaang tropa ng cebuano (pintados) noong sila ay lumusob.
Sinakop po ni Legaspi ang maynila dahilan sa ito ay mayamang kaharian mula sa pakikipagkalakal sa ibang bayan at hindi niya nais tumigil sa cebu dahilan daw sa mainit at tigang ang lupa. Basahin po ninyo ang kaniyang talaan. Pagkatapos ng maynila ay sinakop niya ang luzon. Ipinangalan niya sa sarili niya ang Legaspi sa kabikulan. Pagkatapos noon ay inilipat niya ang sentro ng kanyang pamahalaan sa maynila.
What you are proposing is racist nationalism, which Marcos forced on us during his regime. Ito po ang dahilan ng lipulan ng lahi na nakikita ninyo ngayon sa iba’t ibang bayan sa buong mundo, simula sa gitnang silangan, sa silangang europa, sa mga bansang nakapalibot sa atin dito sa asya.
You are also proposing majority rule, which is a defective form of democracy, since it results in racism and exploitation of minorities. The better form of democracy, for now, is representative democracy, where everyone has a voice.
Ipagpatawad po ninyo ang paggamit ko ng taglish, dahil nais ko na higit na maunawaan ang aking ideya.
roger lasquite
medyo matagal ko ng binasa ang aklat na,Nationalism,Religion,and Ethics ni Gregory Baum (baka ma-order nyo)…ngunit syempre hindi ko na natatandaan lahat at binabalik-balikan ko syempre lalo na’t maganda ang mga usapan,…magaganda syempre ang bawat chapter o mga topic,
1.Ethics and the Polymorphus Phenomenon of Nationalism
2.Martin Buber’s Ethic of Nationalism
3.Mahama Gandhi’s Ethic of Nationalism
4.Paul Tillich’s Ethic of Nationalism
5.Jacques Grand’Maison’s Ethic of Nationalism
6.Conclusions,Proposals,and Unresolved Questions
at syempre mapapa-isip ka talaga at baka hindi ko na rin matapos namnamin ang mga naisulat dito,kaya maganda ring i-share ang ilang…sa panilmula pa lang e matitigilan ka na dahil sa isang katanungan,’When is nationalism ethically acceptable?, at sa unang bahagi, ‘Nationalism is a confusing historical phenomenon.
race,blood,ethical arguments drawn from the scriptures,Christian Faith and Faith nationalism,particularism and universalism- in the Hebrew Scriptures,…yung sa Quebec e parang,malapit sa ating mga karanasan,parang Mindanao marahil,…at ,eto,Because nationalism is such a polymorphous phenomenon,we are often confused by it and react to it without careful political analysis….kaya nga talagang magandang magsanay tayo tungo sa isang ethical reflection on nationalism,…at syempre i like yung isang quote’ from a priest,historian,and social philosopher,’…ready na kaya tayo dito from Lionel Groux,…He believed that Catholicsm,its values and its structure,should become the basis of Quebec’s national life.And another quote,from Grand’Maison “Catholicsm rules our entire life,it will always be the most active force among those that shape our societ…Catholicsm is the flying buttress of our race,its armour,its indefectable soul.We shall be Catholics or nothing at all.”…kahapon e suot ko ang yellow t-shirt syempre,yunng pasalubong sa akin at ngayon alam ko na kaya pala ako e binigyan,para sa hinihingi ng pagkakataon,’sa pagyao ni Pangulong Cory,’drama po,uli,ha,ha pero hindi lahat e kayang isulat ang ganito,ako e ok lang,ha,ha yan ang isang role ko,…e bakit e talaga namang naki-bahagi ako sa kasaysayan,…at huli,mahaba na,…’What is a Nation?’…and how about messianic nationalism,…’again from Groux…Since democracy cannot help Quebec,Groux hoped for the arrival of a charismatic leader close to God who would lift the people out of their present apathy,inspire them with his spiritual vision, and create for them an autonomous Catholic Quebec.This messianic nationalism made Groux look with sympathy to facist developments in Italy,Spain,and Portugal.And again Grand’Maison quotes the following text:
“And you,young people,…act so that through your work and your prayer there may arrive for this sinking people the indispensable condition for its recovery;act so that…ewan ko kung ok po sa inyo,ngunit tila papunta tayo at me mga nariyan na,…pag-kausap ko itong Cebuano kong kaibigan e,sasabihan na naman ako ng ‘nasosobrahan na raw ako sa aming gawain sa komunidad,at muli e sasabihin,wala ‘rebo…n lang ang sagot talaga’…wow,e suot ko e yung dilaw,…gusto rin pala, saan ko raw nakuha o binili…ha,ha, so,tila,gusto ng iba e ‘localism’,e paano ang ‘globalism’ at eto finale muna po,mahaba na talaga…sa topic na ‘Nationalism and Language’,…Nationalism is closely related to language…tanong?…o obserbasyon…kaya marahil tayo e ….!!!reflect,ethical reflection po,para masanay tayo.(itutuloy kung,tuloy ang ningas ng co…)
Muli handog ko po ito sa mga tutuong mga bayani ng ating bayan.Buhay at yumao na.At syempre sa Tita ng Bayan,Tita Cory.bilang pagmamahal at pasasalamat sa liwanag at inspirasyon.
kaya…tayo na po at tuloy at tila marami pa tayong…gawain at dapat maunawaan.At isa pa tila…wala namang nakaka-alam talaga kung ano at saan tayo hahantong ,…kaya? o!!! at syempre po pang-huli e salamat to my Master Jesus.
Taga-ilog
Mahirap pilitin kapag sarado ang pag-iisip ng ibang tao. Lalo na kung ang pananaw niya ay makasarili at pawang kapakanan niya lang ang inaatupag.
Mahirap para sa kanya ang tangapin pati paniniwala ng iba, dahil siguradong lahat ng kanyang idelohiya ay puro tama.
Ganun pa man siya ay dapat pa ring intindihin at di kinakailangan ibaba ang sarili sa kanyang antas.
Isa lang ang maipagmamalaki ko sa buong mundo….
Ako ay Proud Filipino!!!
Proud Cebuano
Alex: “moving back to the discussion. Nationalism aside, why do you think creating a separate Visayan country will benefit us right now?”
Thanks for taking me up on this issue of nationalism even if I’m not sure if you go along with my definition of linguistic grouping as the de facto and practical basis of a nation.
To go to your question is to zero in on the “us” you’re referring to.
Since I’m advocating a separate Cebuano country, I presume that you mean those who will eventually become citizens of this (new) country.
Well, then, we will be benefited immediately by having the accursed label of being “Filipinos” taken away in referring to us as a people.
Have you ever been abroad and perceived how other people you met or dealt with look at “Filipinos” in general? Not with respect and admiration I can tell you that. And I don’t have to tell you the reasons; they’ve been enumerated here in this blog already.
As a separate country, we will be able to identify and harness our strengths as a people and everyone will be happy to cooperate because we’re doing it for the good of our Cebuano brothers and sisters. NOT for people who don’t even bother to learn our language, who fuck each other up in the so-called bastion of governmental powers (Manila, where else) and drag us into the mess, who take more of the economic output of our resources to augment their own while we get a pathetic fraction of the so-called “national budget”.
Enough! We’ll work to make our own economy work and and only we will enjoy what comes from it.
So when asked anywhere where I or my fellow Cebuanos come from, we don’t need to be sheepish and say Philippines but a proud proclaimation that “hello, I’m Cebuano…you know, from the fastest developing small country in the world; yes, that one, where all the fortune 100 tops companies have relocated their headquarters; yes, we might be a small number of islands but we’re highly industrialized!”
A dream? Yes, it is right now but from dreams often comes a pleasant waking up.
At the current rate that the Philippines has been on a self-destructive path, its citizens can only look forward to a rude awakening.
Cebuanos, let’s not be a part of this hopelessness anymore. The eve of destruction is far too clear when one sees that with the passing of the Simple Lady, her children are now going overboard to accommodate their erstwhile enemies.
I’m talking about the Aquinos and the Marcoses reconciling. What this means is it’s back to the same old Political formula that has run the Philippines aground since Independence.
HOPELESS, It’s time we bail out!
Proud Cebuano
BTW I’ve failed to add in the last post that ALREADY when people ask me where I’m from or for my nationality, I immediately and loudly say, “I’m Cebuano”. Hence my monicker
tob
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Proud Cebuano said:
As a separate country, we will be able to identify and harness our strengths as a people and everyone will be happy to cooperate because we’re doing it for the good of our Cebuano brothers and sisters. NOT for people who don’t even bother to learn our language, who fuck each other up in the so-called bastion of governmental powers (Manila, where else) and drag us into the mess, who take more of the economic output of our resources to augment their own while we get a pathetic fraction of the so-called “national budget”.
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Ginoong Proud Cebuano,
Malinaw sa sinabi mo na nais mo gamitin “harness” ang kakayahan ng mga Cebuano. Ang higit na katanggap tanggap na dahilan sa pagbuo ng bayan, ay: “to enjoy freedom, safety, and the pursuit of happiness”, hindi para gamitin ng pamahalaan bilang isang “work beast”. Malinaw sa salitang “harness” ang ibig sabihin eh singkaw ng kalabaw na pangsaka. Sa madaling salita - ibig mong pagsamantalahan ang mga kababayan mong cebuano sa ngalan ng iyong racist nationalism. Ang kaisipan mo ang sanhi ng kadahupan ng mga tao.
Balikan mo ang kasaysayan, ang bayan ay binuo ng alyansa na ang isang makapangyarihang partido ay mga cebuano (Quezon-Osmena). Ang pamahalaan po sa maynila ay binubuo ng maraming cebuano, kailangan pauwiin mo sila. Balik aralan mo muna ang dahilan ng mass migration ng mga cebuano patungong luzon at mindanao. Balik aralan mo rin ang ugat ng kaguluhan sa mindanao. Subukan mong manirahan sa maynila o sa mindanao, ang pag-iisip (”exploiter”) mo ang dahilan ng kaguluhan.
Christine Balmes
In my article “On People Power” I propose that recalling, remembering and in fact, spotlighting People Power when teaching Philippine History is the best medication for the illness that is called Colonial Mentality. The rules of engagement employed during the revolution were the complete opposites of the recipes for democracy as utilized by colonial powers in their ravishment of the Philippines. Despite this, the People Power is one of the most successful victories against despotism to ever happen in the country, and the world.
Read my article here: http://kapisanan.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/on-people-power/#comments
Mr. Praktikal
ha ha ha…okey kang bumanat proud filipino. simple lang pero rock…ha ha ha your funny dude!
Magdaragat
Proud Cebuano,
Kung pinagmamalaki mo na Cebuano at English lang ang prefer mong salita, sana ayusin mo naman yung grammar at spelling mo para kahit konti maniwala kami sa pinagsasabi mo. Sa totoo lang maraming natatawa sa iyo dito sa blog. Imbes na maging proud sila sayo, lalo mong binibigyan ng kahihiyan ang mga matitinong Cebuano. If you feel the blogs youre posting are cool, then you must be dreaming. Dont waste this blog for your nonsense comments. Kung talagang may utak ka, huwag mong sayangin.
Mang Pascual
ayoko na sanang patulan pero paki-usap lang sa mga bloggers, dedmahin nyo na lang itong “proud cebuanong” ito. nabu-buang na yata palibhasa hindi napapansin sa maynila at sa ibang bansa kaya dito naghihimutok sa blog si cebuano.
Alex
Proud Cebuano: “Thanks for taking me up on this issue of nationalism even if I’m not sure if you go along with my definition of linguistic grouping as the de facto and practical basis of a nation.”
As outrageous as your position is, I have to give it to you. You seem comfortable using the big words and metaphors. It makes me feel I won’t be talking to a wall
Proud Cebuano: “Well, then, we will be benefited immediately by having the accursed label of being ‘Filipinos’ taken away in referring to us as a people.”
This is where I’m having hard time buying your idea. First off, can we really say that the Filipino identity or status in the international community is solely attributed to non Bisaya linguistic group? Next, even if Manila dominates the political scene and entertainment (I have hard time distinguishing between these two), or you believe with certainty that Visayans provide better personal experience to people abroad…status of a country is like social status. You need to be wealthy first before you get the respect. This brings us to your next point…
You said “We’ll work to make our own economy work and only we will enjoy what comes from it.”
On the side, I’ve been very interested whether we can get figures of how much of our economic output goes to the benifit of Manila or other provinces in general. Or is this plainly figurative? I mean, maybe Visayas region is actually getting more budget than what is proportionate to its GDP? Do you have any sources you can share with me?
To your point, I don’t believe that our work ethic is very much different than the non Visaya linguistic group. Bisaya maybe as different to tagalog as italian is to spanish, but we practically live with the same resources in our surroundings, same religion, same colonizers, and thus same heritage. If culture is what makes a country successful (unless you’re sitting on a sh*tload of oil), then I have a hard time believing that it will be much different if Visayas will have it’s own country. But I’m willing to listen if you can elaborate.
You said “where all the fortune 100 tops companies have relocated their headquarters”
Some have stakes in Cebu right now…because it’s cheaper for them.
You said “I’m talking about the Aquinos and the Marcoses reconciling. What this means is it’s back to the same old Political formula that has run the Philippines aground since Independence.”
Pathetic isn’t it? It’s not coming back to the old political formula. It has been and always is. Do you know why both EDSA revolutions did not change our slot? Because we’re getting a replacement from the same political class and placing them in the same messed up political system. These are the same political families. Someone pardons Estrada. Estrada proposed of giving marcos a place in the libingan ng mga bayani. They’re slinging mud today. Tomorrow they’re boozing in the same party.
All the while, Mr. Juan Dela Cruz believes he is part of those who craft the future of the country. He would take passionate side on the Garci controversy…as if the opposition did not cheat as well (I call them out-cheated). You oust Gloria, you will get Estrada, or Noli…if you’re lucky you’ll get Lacson who we’re forgetting was a good friend of the great plunderer Estrada. These people are making us look like idiots watching a thick plot in the movie eating our popcorns hastily.
Maybe this is wishful thinking but I want to believe that we Filipinos are not hopeless. I want to believe that if we can tweak the system a bit, it’ll give more room for the likes of Mayor Lim, Bayani, Mayor Duterte to do much more for the society. We can’t live like this forever. That’s why I do believe that GMA has some ideas. She said it before that the system is really messed up. Anyone who has half a brain can’t argue against that. But how can she effect change? She’s just a woman…she’s not Marcos.
Alex
Taga-ilog said “Mahirap pilitin kapag sarado ang pag-iisip ng ibang tao. Lalo na kung ang pananaw niya ay makasarili at pawang kapakanan niya lang ang inaatupag.
Mahirap para sa kanya ang tangapin pati paniniwala ng iba, dahil siguradong lahat ng kanyang idelohiya ay puro tama.
Ganun pa man siya ay dapat pa ring intindihin at di kinakailangan ibaba ang sarili sa kanyang antas.
Isa lang ang maipagmamalaki ko sa buong mundo….
Ako ay Proud Filipino!!!”
Oo nga eh… Makasarili ang mga taong hindi pareho ng pag-iisip sa inyo. Dapat na kayong pagsama samahin kasi sang-ayon kayo palagi sa isat isa. Ang saya saya siguro ng samahan nyo kasi walang tumututol sa kahit anung sinasabi ng bawat isa. Ang hindi sang-ayon, makasarili at pawang kapakanan lang nila ang inaatupag kaya dapat itsapuwera. Ang mga taong hindi pareho sa lahat mag-isip ay mababa ang antas…kasi sya ay small minded. Sila ay nag-iisip ng pagbabago…la namang dapat baguhin kasi lahat okay naman.
Dapat pareho na lang kayo ng mga login name…kasi pareho naman kayo mag-isip lahat…pare pareho naman mga sinusulat nyo eh.
roger lasquite
mga nakaraan,…locally,doon po sa amin,
1.before the 1081 proclamation,college na kami,-ipinapaliwanag ng mga local leaders o yung mga naka-upo kung ano ito at kung bakit kailangang i-proklama ito.Kaming mga bata o kabataan e nasa harap ng stage at nakikinig,ng mag-open forum na sinabi namin ang aming mga pag-tutol,buti na lang taga-PCC ako at mula high school e me konti ng mga pag-aaral tungkol sa nagaganap,o me-teach-in na,ha,ha,at guro e mga taga-UP. e favorite ako,ha,ha matiyaga raw ako e…yung aming Mayor abogado,’sabi sa amin umuwi na kayo,kababata pa ninyo e,nakiki-alam na kayo,…at ayaw maniwala sa sinasabi namin,…naDeklara ang Martial Law,masaya sila e,e matagal,nagsawa na rin sila at namihasa na walang nakiki-alam na sa pamahalaan o pamamahala nila…at wala na rin kaming interes,’hirap buhay’noon,sali na rin sa program nila,’food for work o baligtad’. me mike-pang-pansit canton,isang balot at nutri bun,ok na…konting trabaho sa ilog at kalsada.Sumawa sila…sa tagal na walang eleksyon o makabuluhang halalan.Ewan lang kung yumaman sila,ang alam ko e,hindi naging mahal ng tao.Yun nga lang ang nagawa niya e,ng huhulihin kami e,kinuha kami at siya na lang daw ang bahala,kaysa dalhin kami sa probinsya.Matagal tahimik,New Society,sumaya ng ilang taon,electrification,sali ako,naging Electrician-Lineman,…pero gutom.’nakokoryente kami e P8.50 a day ang sahod.At unti-unti,maraming umalis,then,…sali sa coop-dev’t,sa ibang province sa,linya ako…gutom din,hindi maipangpa-pamilya.Biglang me biyaya-Saudi…karanasan sa elect’r coop,na-ok.3 years.
Balik-nakapag-asawa-sunod-sunod anak,kayod uli,negosyo,agency,bagsak,kontrata sinusulot mismo ng mga nasa…,kontrata-local,babuyan,earthworm,handicraft,’medyo sali na sa mga civic at religious ass’s,and slowly local politics…sumasama na lalo,… ‘Bagong Lipulan’ na ang tawag,…buo ng kami ng ‘Local United opp’n.Sec.Gen daw ako,yun pala taga-simula at taga-tawag ng meeting at pang-front line,ok lang…intresado na rin ako e…then,’August 21-Ninoy’s Tarmac…’
bago ang snap election,nagsimula akong mag-suot ng mga ‘yellow’ with prints,’lubog sa krisis-with Marcos’ face,(sorry po pero,binebenta so bili lang po at suot) some stickers too,and ‘I love Ninoy’ sa aking lumang ‘willy’s jeepy,owner-military style,…then slowly local politicians e sumasali na sa amin,…’sali na sa kampanya sa,’laban sa mandaraya at meron talaga pala’… bantay sa boto,locally,personal na lang hanggang,Provincial,muntik na akong nag-isa…walang mag-bantay ng boto ng oposisyon,buti me ilang bataan ang isang kilalang pulitiko,at from the governor na,…kita ko ang boto ng tao,halos walang boto ang Marcos…,at ang pagsisikap ng mismong comelec kung paanong,gagawan ng paraan,…at kung paano naman sagutin ng mga abogado ng Cory’s,kami e watcher lang iilan kami,ng gabi na at pahinga,ina-abutan ako ng tig-bebente pesos ng ilang abogado,pang-kape daw,wow! at kinuha ang pangalan ko,…gusto ko na ring umuwi,…kaming nag-volunteer e nagulat,..lalo ako,ang kasama ko e sabi e,hindi niya kaya,uuwi na raw,…sabi ko,e sige paki-sabi sa pamilya ko,na narito ako,…asawa ko iyak,ipagpapalit daw niya pala kami sa kalokohan ko sa pamumulitika,’…bantay at ikinalat ko ang mga pangalan at address ko sa buong magdamag,akyat manaog ang mga armadong sundalo,iba-iba,…me-dumating na mga pulis ng provincial prison,neutral at mas-oposisyon,from Gov,pala,nagkalma kami …Sumunod na araw-Lumilinaw na at tila nga-Cory na…dumadami ang gustong magbantay at pumapapel na ang iba,sila raw ang taga-bantay lang ng boto ni Cory,mga foregn observer,ako ang tinatanong at nakikinig sa walkman ko from radio veritas,’isinanla ko na ng papunta na sa Batasang Pambansa,medyo magulo na at yung isang kasama e sinaksak ng KBL na watcher,dinala sa ospital,humiwalay na ako,at balik sa EDSA na.Bank Holiday,walang pira,namimili ang mga kapit-bahay e wala kaming cash,balik sa green hills,sarado banko,buti,nag-bukas,…matapos ang EDSA balik sa lokal na bayan,masaya kahit paano,bagong buhay at bagong pag-asa,kahit hiidni pa alam ang mga mangyayari,..OIC naman…sa lokal,napasali ako,…kaya lang rally at yung mga aayw sa amin e pinipilit kaming paalisin,…mahirap,gumawa,naroon pa rin sila at ang mga empleyado e hindi mo agad makukuha at maalis at mababago tungo sa bagong nais na isagawa…at ganyan din nga marahil ang nangyari sa itaas,Kay Cory,at yun nga mga coup d etat naman,…at ngayon…maiisip natin,mahirap talaga at matagal nga,’parang yung kanta ni Don McLean,’American Pie, ‘a generation lost in space’ so bye bye’,at yun nga lang…salamat at “TALAGA PALANG ME MGA BAYANI NA LUMILITAW” yung tunay na hanggang sa kamatayan e hindi sumusuko.Sa pagpapatuloy natin sa ating kasaysayan.(itutuloy)
Mga karanasan sa pamahalaang lokal. Upang maging aral sa mga nais at tutuong nagsisikap na makatulong.
Proud Cebuano
Alex: This is where I’m having hard time buying your idea. First off, can we really say that the Filipino identity or status in the international community is solely attributed to non Bisaya linguistic group? Next, even if Manila dominates the political scene and entertainment (I have hard time distinguishing between these two), or you believe with certainty that Visayans provide better personal experience to people abroad…status of a country is like social status. You need to be wealthy first before you get the respect. This brings us to your next point…
No, I’m speaking in a general sense; other nationals’ perception of a “Filipino” is not based on whether he or she is Visayan/Cebuano or not. I’m sure not many non-Filipinos could make a distinction of the various ethnic groups we have in the Philippines let alone an awareness of the different linguistic groups we have. So for Visayans/cebuanos to emerge from any negative stereotype that has accrued being “Filipino” is to fully shed off and distance ourselves from that label. In other words, create a clean slate. Try it as I have; when I introduce myself as a Cebuano, most people would look stumped not knowing where to geographically place me, then I sort of turn the table to make them feel that they ought to know. Most of the time they pretend that they do, in which case I drop the whole step of establishing my identity. But if they press on, then I say that it’s a small country close to the Philippines. And that normally takes care of that. Ignorance on their part works to banish negative preconceptions and bestow respect. You don’t have to be wealthy; or at least not yet
I won’t counter what you said that “If culture is what makes a country successful (unless you’re sitting on a sh*tload of oil), then I have a hard time believing that it will be much different if Visayas will have it’s own country” because, really, it’s all conjectural. There has not been any study to establish it. And your statement is in itself faulty in that there is an unproven assumption about the effect of culture on a nation’s success. If you look at the various countries considered successful, you’d find a good amount of variability, and no specific cultural template to pinpoint. When I mentioned that Cebuanos are different in work ethics and overall temperament, I was projecting a belief, hope and wish that they would be tapped towards a positive result.
“On the side, I’ve been very interested whether we can get figures of how much of our economic output goes to the benifit of Manila or other provinces in general. Or is this plainly figurative? I mean, maybe Visayas region is actually getting more budget than what is proportionate to its GDP? Do you have any sources you can share with me?”
Alex, you’re a person close to my heart :), one who doesn’t succumbed to rejecting contrarian views without first attempting to understand the gist of the thoughts put forward. Unfortunately, the intellectual level of most who pretend to rise up in response to what I submit here is pathetically low; most are prone to employ outright ridicule to counter what they deem objectionable. Of course, if that’s what they’re only capable of, if their main arsenal in argumentation is ad hominem, then enough said.
Let’s you Alex and I have our conversation. And going along…
I submit the Abstract of a paper, The Efficiency of Social Services Expenditure in Philippine Provinces, presented by one Rouselle Lavado at the 5th East-West Center International Graduate Student Conference states:”The Philippine government spent around 17 percent of its GDP in 2004. A huge part of this
expenditure, however, goes to debt servicing. At present, total public debt is 109.8 percent of GDP. With what is left, only one percent is spent for health and three percent for education.”
Well, isn’t it scandalous that a mere one percent for health and three percent for education are actually plowed back to the GDP contributing provinces, to be divided according to who’s politically close to the wielder of power in the capital? The bulk of the contributions is siphoned by debts which we all know are incurred due to the financial imbroglio created by public officials in their personal looting and ravaging of the economy as well as in the service of foreign interests.
Those are good reasons enough for some provinces to divorce themselves from this scheme and I brought it up before sharing with you technical data from the 9th National Convention on Statistics (NCS) where a paper was presented on the various areas that the Philippine GDP is both tabulated and extrapolated. They are production as measured in terms of the GDP as compiled by the NSCB, income7 in terms of the total family income from the FIES of the NSO, and poverty in terms of the number of poor individuals from the official poverty statistics compiled by the NSCB. Please note that the study encompases the period the period 1997 to 2000 but I’m sure this still is relevant today:
A. Production
Prior to the reconfiguration of Region IV, the five regions with the highest
shares of GDP [2] are NCR, Southern Tagalog, Central Luzon, Central Visayas
and Western Visayas. But while these five regions also have the biggest shares
in population, as may be expected, the regional shares of GDP are not
necessarily the same as the regional population shares. The discordant shares
account for the concentration as measured by the AGCI.
1. With respect to population
In both 1997 and 2000, production has lower concentration than either
income or poverty with respect to population. This means that
compared to either income or poverty, the Gross Regional Domestic Products
(GRDPs)9 of the various regions are more in accordance with the distribution of
the population – the more populated regions are producing more goods and
services. In addition, the AGCI improved (became lower) from 0.1955 in 1997 to
0.1880 in 2000.
On a per capita basis, the Philippine GDP increased from P12,483 in 1997
to P12,553 in 2000 at an almost nil annual growth rate of 0.2%. Per
capita GRDP for NCR which is more than double that for the entire country is the
largest and grew from P27,834 to P28,339 with an annual growth rate of 0.6%.
The other regions with per capita GRDP among the top five for both years are
CAR and Regions X and IV. In the bottom five are ARMM and Regions V, VIII,
CARAGA and 1.
Main contributors to the concentration are the NCR with a share of only
14% of the population but 31% of GDP and Region V with a share of more than
6% of the population but less than 3% of GDP.
In addition to NCR, the other regions with larger shares of GDP than
population are CAR and Regions IV and X. It is noted that while Region III has
the third largest GDP share after NCR and Region IV, its GDP share is below its
share of the population. The per capita GDP of Region III was only the fifth
largest in 1997 and seventh largest in 2000.
7 GDP is measured in terms of Gross Value Added, which is conceptually different from income as captured in the FIES.
8 The original plan was to use the 2003 official poverty statistics; unfortunately, they are scheduled for release in
September 2004, a month after the deadline for the submission of NCS papers.
9 The analysis can be extended to the major economic activities comprising the GDP/GRDP but has been omitted in the
paper due to space constraints.
On the other hand, Bicol, Regions VIII and 1 and ARMM have the largest
negative balance between GRDP and population share, which explains the per
capita GDP of these four regions being the lowest.
2. With respect to land area
Compared to the distribution correspondence between GRDP and
population, GDP was not as proportionately distributed with respect to land area,
although the AGCI improved slightly from 0.3768 in 1997 to 0.3700 in 2000
. This is to be expected because, NCR, which has close to 31% share
of GDP occupies only 0.2% of the total area. In addition, while the top five in
GDP shares are also the top five in population shares, three of the five regions
with the largest areas, namely, Regions II, XI and VIII are outside of the top five
in GDP share. Regions IV and VI are in the top five in GDP, population and land
area.
On a per square kilometer of area basis, the Philippines produced
P2,823,791 in 1997 and P3,030,117 in 2000 with an annual growth rate of 2.4%. NCR has the largest GRDP per square kilometer, which increased
from P431,061,108 in 1997 to P464,850,782 in 2000 at a slightly higher annual
growth rate of 2.5%. The other regions with the highest GRDP per square
kilometer are Regions III, VII, VI and IV. On the other hand, the regions with the
lowest are ARMM, CARAGA and Regions II, VIII and CAR.
Contributing to the high AGCI are NCR and Region III, which have
relatively larger shares of GRDP compared to land area and Regions II, ARMM,
CARAGA and Region VIII which have lower GRDP shares than land area (Table
4.1).
B. Income
1. With respect to population
As with GDP, the distribution of income with respect to population is not so
uneven. The top six regions in income share are also the top six in population
share, although with slightly different rankings: NCR, Regions IV, III, VI, VII and
XI. However, unlike with GDP, the AGCI for income worsened slightly from
0.2003 in 1997 to 0.2104 in 2000.
The Philippine per capita income grew from P24,431 in 1997 to P28,808 in
2000., at an annual rate of 5.6%, much faster than the growth of per capita GDP
of 0.2% for the same period. The per capita income of NCR, which is
more than double that for the Philippines grew at an annual rate of 4.8% from
P55,038 in 1997 to P63,272 in 2000. Aside from NCR, Regions IV and III also
have high per capita income; ARMM and CARAGA have the lowest. Among the
provinces, only Laguna and Bataan were in the top five for both years while the
Mindanao provinces of Lanao del Sur, Sulu and Agusan del Sur were in the
bottom five for both 1997 and 2000.
Major contributors to the concentration due to disparity in income versus
population shares are NCR (30-31% vs 14%), Region VII (5% vs.
7%), Region VI (6% vs. 8%) and Region VIII (3% vs. 5%). Among the provinces,
Laguna and Rizal (in 2000) have relatively bigger shares of income. On the other
hand, Negros Occidental, Cebu and Zamboanga del Sur have the biggest
negative balances between income share and population share. The other
provinces with large negative balances are Pangasinan, Camarines Sur, and
Davao del Norte.
Within the poorest region of ARMM, as may be expected, the income
shares of its four provinces are all below their population shares. However, the
distributions of income and population across provinces are not very different
from each other, resulting in an AGCI of 0.1178 in 1997. This
improved to 0.0502 in 2000 because of greater concordance in the shares of
Lanao del Sur and Tawi-tawi. The income share of Lanao del Sur went up from
22% to 28% but the income share of Tawi-tawi went down from 20% to 11%.
In the richest region after NCR, Region III, the disparity in the distributions
of income and population is also not great, with AGCI of 0.0856 in 1997 and
0.0812 in 2000. Bataan and Zambales had higher income shares than
population shares for both years. The income share of Bulacan went up from
26% in 1997 to 32% in 2000; but that of Pampanga went down from 27% in 1997
to 24% in 2000.
2. With respect to land area
As with GDP, the concentration of income with respect to land area is
worse than with respect to population with the AGCI deteriorating from 0.4902 in
1997 to 0.4995 in 2000 . All regions of Luzon except Regions II and V
have higher shares of income than area while all regions of Visayas and
Mindanao except Region VII have bigger shares of area than income. Big
disparities in favor of income are NCR (30-31% vs 0.2%) and Region III (10-11%
vs. 5%); big disparities in favor of area are Region II (10% vs. 3%), CARAGA and
ARMM (both 6% vs. less than 2%). The provinces with relatively larger shares of
income are Cavite, Laguna, Bulacan, Rizal and Pampanga while those with lower
shares are Palawan, Isabela, Lanao del Sur, Agusan del Sur, Bukidnon and
Cagayan.
In terms of income per square kilometer of area, the Philippines generated
P5527 in 1997 and P6954 in 2000 for an annual growth rate of 8%.
For NCR, the figures are P852,383 in 1997 and P1,037,846 in 2000 with a growth
rate of 6.8%. The top five provinces are Rizal, Cavite, Laguna, Bulacan and
Pampanga, all located in either Region III or IV. Consistently in the bottom five
provinces are Apayao, Palawan, Agusan del Sur, Lanao del Sur and Quirino
pointing to untapped land resources in these areas.
In both ARMM and Region III, the concentration of income is worse with
respect to area than with respect to population, the distribution being more
uneven in Region III with AGCI of 0.3496 in 1997 and 0.3755 in 2000.
Lanao del Sur has a much smaller share of income compared to area, while
Maguindanao, Sulu and Tawi-tawi have bigger income shares than area shares. In Region III, Bulacan and Pampanga have bigger income shares
than area while Nueva Ecija and Zambales have smaller income shares than
area, possibly indicating that the land resources of Nueva Ecija and Zambales
have not been fully tapped for development.
C. Poverty
1. With respect to population
Between 1997 and 2000, the distribution of the poor across provinces
slightly became more in accordance with the distribution of the population as the
AGCI went down from 0.2295 to 0.2223. Major contributors to the concentration are the rich regions of NCR, III and IV which have much lower
shares of the poor than of the population and the poor region of Bicol, which has
much higher share of the poor than of the population. Among the
provinces, Bulacan, Pampanga, Cavite and Laguna have relatively lower shares
of the poor, but Masbate10 and Negros Occidental have relatively higher shares.
In terms of absolute numbers, Regions V, VI and IV have the biggest share of the
poor population while CAR, NCR and Region II have the lowest. The provinces
with the biggest shares for both 1997 and 2000 are Negros Occidental, Cebu and
Pangasinan and those with the lowest shares are Batanes, Apayao, Siquijor,
Camiguin, Guimaras.
Against a national poverty incidence of 33% of the population in 1997 and
34% in 2000, NCR had 6.5% in 1997 and 7.6% in 2000. The
provinces with the lowest poverty incidences for both years are Bulacan, Rizal,
Bataan and Cavite while those with the highest are Sulu, Masbate and Ifugao.
In ARMM, the poor are in provinces with relatively larger populations with
the AGCI at lows of 0.1022 in 1997 and 0.0462 in 2000. Sulu has a
relatively larger share of the poor population while Lanao del Sur has a relatively
smaller share. But in Region III, there is some concentration of the
poor in less populated provinces, with the AGCI at 0.2386 in 1997 worsening to
0.2505 in 2000. Bulacan and Pampanga have relatively much smaller share of
the poor population while Nueva Ecija and Tarlac have bigger shares.
2. With respect to land area
As with GDP and income, there is more concentration of the poor with
respect to land area than with respect to population, with the AGCI deteriorating
from 0.2501 in 1997 to 0.2649 in 2000. Major contributors are
Regions V, II, VIII and IV. Provinces with relatively larger shares of the poor are
Masbate, Negros Occidental, Cebu, Pangasinan, Camarines Sur, Iloilo and
Apayao while those with lower shares are Palawan, Bukidnon, Lanao del Sur,
Agusan del Sur, Apayao and Occidental Mindoro,
The Philippines has a poor population density of 76 per square kilometer
in 1997 going up to 84 in 2000. Even though the NCR has a low
10 Revised estimates for Masbate are forthcoming poverty incidence, it has a very high poor population density of 1043 per square
kilometer in 1997 and 1341 in 2000, which are 14 and 16 times, respectively that
of the entire country. After NCR, the regions with the highest poor population
densities are Regions V, VI and VII while Region II, CAR, CARAGA and Region
IV have the lowest. Provinces with high poor population density for both years
are Albay, Sulu, La Union and Cebu. Those with low poor population density are Batanes, Apayao, Palawan, Quirino, Nueva Vizcaya and Aurora.
In ARMM, there is a higher concentration of the poor population with
respect to area than with respect to population, but the AGCI improved from
0.2746 in 1997 to 0.2421 in 2000. Sulu has a much bigger share of
the poor population while Lanao del Sur has a much lower share compared to its
area share.
Alex, whatever you read in this statistical analyses, it wont alter the fact that there is a general disparity in the distribution of economic resources and wealth among the regions and even if the proposed Cebuano country will not start out with the most capital, I am confident that it can transcend and achieve what it will set its sights on. Singapore is a good model.
Alex
Mang Pascual said “ayoko na sanang patulan pero paki-usap lang sa mga bloggers, dedmahin nyo na lang itong ‘proud cebuanong’ ito. nabu-buang na yata palibhasa hindi napapansin sa maynila at sa ibang bansa kaya dito naghihimutok sa blog si cebuano.”
This kind of comment makes me tired…and that goes to everyone like you. All you can muster is a pun. Let’s try to separate people from reason. I’d like to eat you alive with rhetorics, but that’s hardly constructive. I have no problem with trash talk or a knee on my face so long as you are putting something on the table other than that.
Mang Pascual
proud cebuano,
tigilan mo na yang “cut and paste” baka makasuhan ka pa ng plagiarism at ingat ka lang. siguro kahit bagong takas sa mental hindi bibilib sa pinagsasabi mo. your just wasting the space for those bloggers with sense.
to alex
huwag mo ng patulan yan. i know your rationale and intelligent but dont waste your time on proud cebuano. thanks.
Proud Cebuano
Mang Pascual,
You’re only showing your laughable ignorance of not knowing that it’s NOT plagiarism if you acknowledge the SOURCES of the quoted materials. It’s done in most academic and scientific writings. Besides those sources are in the public domain. I think you’ve just put your smelly shoe in your mouth
If you want to save some space in this blog - which is not YOURS by the way nor the expense of which is coming from YOUR pocket - may I suggest that you REFRAIN from contributing? You’re only polluting the waters here!
SMALL minds like yours are what makes the Philippines unable to meet the challenges that come its way in a rational way. Notice rational in this case is spelled without an “e” in the end. And if you didn’t know, it means having or exercising reason, sound judgment, or good sense, all of which YOU, Mang Pascual, sadly failed in your attempts to jump into this blog’s discussions. Now back to the mental hospital that you mentioned and where you probably belong to.
tob
Kay Mang Pascual,
Minsan po umaayon na akong dedmahin na rin si Proud Cebuano. Pero pasensiya na po, talagang kailangan sagutin dahil kakaiba talaga ang kanyang pananaw. Hindi natin maaalis na mayroon at mayroong katulad ng pag-iisip niya dahil iba iba ang pananaw ng mga tao. At walang patumpik tumpik na gagamitin sila ng mga walang prinsipyong politiko. Sinisiguro lang natin na ang mga aayon sa kanya ay dahil ganoon talaga ang pananaw at hindi sa wala lamang nagpaliwanag ng maayos. Kung hatian ng national budget ang ipinagpuputok niya ng butse bakit hindi niya tanungin ang mga congressman niya? Ang banat niya parang politiko “demagogue” na katulad ni Hitler. Hindi ako magtataka na maraming mahihikayat si proud cebuano sa kanyang pananaw. Hindi naman siguro nalilingid sa atin na sa ating bayan ay maraming kulto at mga ka-”weirdo”-han. Sa atin-atin lamang po, marami sa mga pinunong bayan, mga kapitalista, at mga intelektwal na kapareho ng pananaw niya - na ang mamamayan ay dapat pagkakitaan. Bakit po sa palagay ninyo ay may mga prostitusyon, droga, at illegal recruiter?
Mang Pascual
Proud Cebuano,
oo nga, nakita rin kita sa mental bago ako lumaya. are you smoking crack again? ipasa mo naman yan. sa pakiramdam ko sa pananalita mo bading ka pa yata…huwag ka ng mag-ingles…kahit pagbali-baligtarin mo pa ang mundo yabis ka pa rin…he he he
kay tob,
give me five, man!
berna suarez
Proud Cebuano says;
“SMALL minds like yours are what makes the Philippines unable to meet the challenges that come its way in a rational way.”
Why all of a sudden your concerned about the Philippines? isnt it that you consider yourself and your fellow Cebuanos a different culture or a different breed? and you dont even consider Cebu as part of the Philippines? Im confused….
bitoy
hindi kaya itong si proud cebuano at si alex eh iisang tao lang?
Mang Pascual
Alex say;
“This kind of comment makes me tired…
“I’d like to eat you alive with rhetorics, but that’s hardly constructive.”
Teka, bakit sino ka ba? Baka batukan pa kita dyan eh… ha ha ha
Mang Pascual
proud cebuano say;
“…our economic output goes to the benifit of Manila…
Please note that the study encompases the period …..
hoy bisaya!
english na binisaya mo pa? akala ko ba magaling kang mag-english?
benefit hindi “benifit” at encompasses hindi “encompases”…intiende? you simply “cut and paste” it and still you spelled it wrong? how could you? gusto mo pag-untugin ko pa kayo ni alex bisaya eh…gusto nyo!!!
jennie
okey palang magbasa dito…tawa ako ng tawa kay mang pascual. mukhang nayari mo yung ibang bloggers …ha ha ha… ay naku sumasakit ang tiyan ko. mang pascual, where are you from?
most blogs are intellectually engaging and some are too serious.. though i like some comedy too like mang pascual…i like tob and iyo karpo too…sarap palang magbasa dito
r .santos
to alex , it appear you are supreme sa usapang ito. para sabihin mo dapat pare pareho ang aming blog name cause we says same things.sorry hinde ko kilala ang nga iyan na kasali dito sa usapan.kanya kanyang pananaw ito.don’t tell me na mass marunong ka salahat at kayo lang ni proud cebuwangno ang may isip.well ibigay mo ang e.mail address sa kanya at doon nalang kayong dalawa ang mag usap.para wala kapang ma opened na ibang blogger.at magka-intindihan kayong dalawa.thanks to bringing my blog again together with your blog…may logic ako doon na hinde mo na kuha..para kay proud cebuang.ha.ha.ha .probably he is a bangsamoro to get some symphathy from the visayan region.he probably from mindanao.lahat ng mga sinabi niya ay pareho ng sinabi ni nur misuari type his name u-tube it’s identical the way he delivered.that’s why visayan region and mindanao region are seperated too. they don’t want the abu and milf rules= terrorism.wake up philippines.okey ba alex? this blog is use only on simple discussion with sense.hinde bale short basta totoo.mahaba nga puros ka sinungalingan eh…walang kuwenta diba? kaya tuloy babatukan ka ni mang pascual eh…sige alex o.k ka naman sa akin.o.k din naman ang say mo.kaya lang don’t mension lahatan kami cause you will pay a prize for sure. just keep going.god bless philippines to all of our hero soldiers na mga nag buwis ng buhay para sa bansa natin na malayo tayo sa terrorista ..i’m proud of you sa tapang at diterminasyon.
Proud Cebuano
Berna Suarez,
That sentence that’s confusing you SHOULDN’T have. I was not expressing CONCERN, I was stating an observation: that small minds are what’s wrong with your country the Philippines. Your WRONG conclusion and your quickness to jump into the fray bolster that argument.
Small minds do think ALIKE!
roger lasquite
musta na po!…pag-mukhang Pinoy e yan lagi ang bati ko,kahit saan,at syempre sari-sari na ang aking natatanggap,at sari-sari na ring Pinoy,yung mula sa kung saan-saan at,syempre,magandang karanasan,…’o ok naman po,Pinoy din po pala kayo,at salamat po,yung iba hindi maka-bati man lang,kaya hindi na rin ako,nabati!, ‘e kung mula sa Visaya naman,-syempre hapi,…at nakagugulat na masaya sila at bibigay na ng mga tutuong usap nila,’bay,o ano pa baga,ok lang,at kahit saan ka na makita ok na,masaya at wala namang problema,…’at kahit mula sa katagalugan e,minsan me-problema rin,…kahit saan naman e, ang mahalaga e yung kung nagkakaisa sa mga napagkasunduang programa at gawain,at handang sumunod sa mga nailagay na liderato,…walang problema,…sa dami ng mga programa at proyekto ng mga kababayan natin sa abroad e,nakatutuwa na sama-sama yung mga na-enganyo at handang magbigay at mag-sakripisyo,…sa ‘walk for C, for GK-Gawad Kalinga’ ngayong Sunday dito at,kung hindi nyo alam e,ito ang fund raising for building small houses para sa ating mga kababayan,at marami na rin ang nagsisikap makatulong,mga pamilya,magkakaibigan,at yung mga nasa komunidad na ginawa na itong isang ministry,…at kapag,me mga ticket na e,e akikita mo ang iba-ibang reaction,pero …ngiti at tanggap at me-pangako pa rin na sige,…tutulong kami,…$20-, at alam ko para sa iba e mabigat pa rin,…ngunit ang mga lider e tuloy lang,…ang mahalaga e,nasabi at nailapit…kung me target na $15,ooo, maraming tao ang kailangan nito,at maraming araw upang,matamo ito,e…anong magagawa,kailangan ah! ng ating mga kababayan,…o register na,…at maki-GK!
Proud Cebuano
Leaving the rabble behind… here’s a glaring picture on the blog’s subject of the dysfunctional Filipino: take the violence-tinged crassness of Mang Pascual, the shallow intellectual posturing of Tob, the amused naivety of Jennie and the mindless knee-jerk reaction of berna suarez and you get a grim mosaic of characteristics that is uniquely Filipino. And when I say this, I’m actually hearing Black Eyed Peas’ song. Now why is that? No!…not that one; it’s the “Let’s Get Retarded”
mang pascual
r. santos,
give me five, man!
tanong: ano sa bisaya ang benefit?
sagot: benifit - sabi ni proud cebuano
ha ha ha..!!!
mang pascual
to r. santos,
tama ka dyan kaibigan feeling nga nitong alex kamote na ito eh napakagaling niya komo sinabihan ko siyang intelihente..actually ang ibig kong sabihin ay intelihenteng tunggak ha ha ha! feeling nilang dalawa ay napakatalino nila pero basahin mo kung anong pinagdidiskusyunan, yung cebu daw at cebuanos dapat hiwalay sa pinas…kundi ba naman parehong ungas. papuputol ko ang ulo ko pag natuloy yung pangarap ni proud cebuang na magsarili sila..actually siya lang yun. yung ibang matitinong cebuano dededmahin lang siya. sa kutob ko bading yang dalawang yan ha ha ha..(si proud cebuang at ang kanyang alter ego na si alex or alexa)
hoy mga buang, look at blog no. 209 i think thats the blog dedicated for you guys or girls pala. ha ha ha!!!
jennie
to the concerned bloggers,
yes, im amused. i was just reading the blog entries and i have nothing to do with your arguments. i just found some bloggers very amusing, some are frustrating and confusing, some are stupid, and some are funny… nothing personal.
mang pascual
black eyed peas pala paborito ni yabis …jokla talaga
tirador
huwag na po tayong mag-away. mag-debate na lang ng maayos. pare parehong tayong pilipino sa ayaw man natin at sa hinde. respeto sa isat-isa lang at no hitting below the belt. there’s nothing wrong kung ang isa sa atin ay nagsawa na sa pagiging pilipino or he simply doesnt want to be identified as such. lets respect his opinion and as long as he’s not hurting anybody, hes entitled to his own proposition, ideas, or opinion. ok lang naman ang comment ni proud cebuano but i cant blame the other groups if they got offended especially the nationalistic pinoy bloggers. if proud cebuano can only speak english and cebuano, i believe him and thats not his fault. and to proud cebuano, do expect that others will criticize you and you have to brace for that.
mang pascual, hinay hinay lang. blog lang naman ito and don’t take it personal. sa tingin ko po pare-pareho naman tayong may pinag aralan. huwag nating pasabugin ang ating sama ng loob sa simpleng bagay lamang. lalo lamang tayong nagiging maliit sa tingin ng iba.
okey po ba? lets enjoy blogging the friendly way and everything will be okay.
mang pascual
proud ce-buang says;
Small minds do think ALIKE! ….yup, thats you and your alter ego alexa.
bitoy
bakit nga po ba yung bading kahit sa panulat lang huli mo na?
tob
to Proud Cebuano:
Isa lang naman ang kailangan mong ibigay, valid reason for your argument for a separate Cebu state aside from “racism” and trying to “exploit” your own provincemates. Binibigyan na kita ng valid reasons, tulad ng life, liberty at pursuit of happiness. Kung gusto mo idagdag mo ang freedom to enjoy the fruits of your own labor pero talagang hindi mo maunawaan - kaya kumbinsido ako na ang talagang motivation mo ay purely “racism and exploitation”. Marami pang political and economic reasons akong naiisip, pero I think in your case the subject is moot. Alam natin na the end does not justify the means, but in your case, the end (”racism and exploitation) is utterly unjustifiable.
berna suarez
tob,
theres no other valid reason for proud cebuano why he’s very adamant about his cause but the fact that once in his life, he was looked down upon by the people from manila and the tagalog speaking majority. you may call it identity crisis, vengeance, jealousy, envy or what not but i guess its more of a painful traumatic experience that he can’t get rid off. he even came to the point that he’s disgusted to be identified as a filipino. let him live with his undying cause to have his own separate identity and his own cebuano country. it sounds weird, shallow, or pathetic, or a no brainer since we dont need him anyways.
McBoni
Saka nyo na pag awayan kung ano dapat ang maging pambansang wika. ang unahin sana natin ay ang paggamit ng dayuhang wika sa pagtuturo sa ating mga mag-aaral.
Kakainis lang isipin na pinalalabas ng iba na kailangan ang dayuhang wika pangunahin na nga ang ingles tungo sa pag-unlad ng ating bayan.
Para bang kakambal ng paggamit ng ingles ay kaunlaran ng bayan.
Sandaang taon ng babad ang isip,salita at gawa ang ating mga kababayan sa sa ating merkanong tularan ngunit di naman nito napaunlad ang ating kabuhayan mula pa noon.
Ang pilipinas “sidekick” ng pinakamayaman at pinakamakapangyarihang amerika pinakamahirap(halos) naman satin dito sa asya.
Pano nagyari yun di bat gamit naman natin ang wika at kulturang amerikano na sinasabi ng iba na susi sa pagunlad?
Halos lahat ng kapit bansa natin na tulad natin ay sinakop din naman ng kanluran ay nagawang mapanatili ang kanilang sariling pagkakakilanlan at katauhan.
Ang mga tsino,koreano,hapon indon,vietnamese at iba pa ay napanatili ang kanilang saring mga pangalan, wika, panulat ng hindi naman naging sagabal sa kanilang pag-unlad.
sa sunod…..
Proud Cebuano
tob,
I’ve given my reasons clearly enough but if it’s still hazy for you then let me simplify it further:
I maintain that being part of the so-called Philippines has not been 1) a choice made democratically for the Cebuano nation; it was IMPOSED on us by the the twist and turns of these islands’ history. Before the coming of the Spaniards, we have maintained our own DISTINCT nationality as people, with our own traits, language and a way of life different from our linguistic neighbors. We are the proud descendants of Lapulapu and we had even then our own culture and civilization. 2) we have been subjected to an unsuccessful albeit artificial assimilation in the making of a supposedly independent Philippines but we were never at any point asked formally if we wanted to join the grouping, if we wanted to be part of the Philippines. There was no referendum after the Spaniards were driven out. The Americans instilled the idea, of all the islands belonging to one country, among their chosen and anointed leaders who eventually became the first government officials after 1946. I think it was a simplistic formula to rid themselves of the burden of running 7100 islands from a long-distant seat of power. So lumping us all together was an easy way out, without taking into consideration that there is a big DIFFERENCE between the Cebuano nation and the others around us. THIS IS NOT A RACIST STATEMENT BUT A FACT, like saying we are this and you are that; there is no JUDGEMENT attached to it. And certainly no EXPLOITATION intended. tob, what exploitation are you talking about? Only a dominant group can exploit and we all know which one is the dominant group in the current make-up of the “Philippines”; so who’s exploiting whom?
This brings me to 3) Since 1898 and later 1946, Cebuanos have been accorded a second-class status as “Philippine” citizens, despite contributing heavily to the country’s GDP (see an earlier posting). You just have listen to the DENIGRATING attitude of Manang Pascuala and his self-amused “yabis” to understand why we can’t and should not feel one or unified with a country that is INHERENTLY SPLINTERED in its citizens way of doing and thinking (Cebuanos have no patronizing or belittling names for Tagalogs for instance). WE ARE NOT ONE NATION BUT SEVERAL and the sooner we realize this the better for everyone to SPLIT or DIVORCE and GO OUR WAY. If we don’t, we will FOREVER be DYSFUNCTIONALLY PINOY, the subject of this blog. Our redemption and the possible solution to the quagmire that we find ourselves in is TO STRIKE OUT ON OUR OWN AS SEPARATE NATIONS. After all, again let me point out, WE HAVE NEVER BEEN A ONE NATION-UNDER-GOD set-up. Good luck to every one!
Proud Cebuano
Tirador,
Thanks for being on the side of reason. Eksacto gyud nimo and imong gui-tira
PC (politically correct proud cebuano)
Proud Cebuano
This is how we can make our (Cebuano) nation stand out and go forward in a positive way:
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/opinion/view/20090820-221179/eGwen-surfaces–Cebu-heritage-models
McBoni
ikaw proud cebuano, kaya mong isipin ang hiwalay na cebu. sana tanggap mo rin ang hiwalay na bangsamoro. sabagay naniniwala ako na baka nga mas umunlad pa ang cebu kapag napahiwalay sila sa gobyerno ng pilipinas. ganun din ang bangsamoro.
McBoni
makasali na nga po senyo. wala akong problema dito kay proud cebuano na mag isip ng isang hiwalay na cebu. malay natin baka nga ang gubyerno ng pilipinas talaga ang pumipigil sa kanilang lalong pag unlad.
sana lang ganun din ang iyong pananaw tungkol sa isang hiwalay na bangsamoro. king gusto ng karamihang pilipino na magpakabulok sa kanilang sistema sana wag na silang mandamay ng iba na may mas maganda pang kinabukasan.
McBoni
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McBoni
pinoproblema nyo ano dapat pambansang wika, ayusin nyo muna kaya colonial mentality nyo. sa isip sa salita at sa gawa wala na tayong pagkakakilanlan.
kung magsalita ang iba ay tila ba kakambal ng kanluraning kultura ay kaunlaran.
para bang ang pagsasalita ng ingles ay mahalaga sa pagunlad ng isang bansa.
maraming iba dyan parang halos lahat nga yata ng mga kapit bansa natin ay nagawa nilang mapanatili ang kanilang sariling pangalan, wika at panulat. ngunit hindi ito naging hadlang sa kanilang pagunlad.
sa kabilang banda naman, tayo na sa sandaang taon ng pagyakap sa kulturang merkano lalo na sa wikang ingles ay di nakatikim ng pagunlad na tulad ng tinamasa ng ating mga kapatid na asyano. kahit armado ng wikang ingles na kung ituring natin ay susi ng pagunlad.
Proud Cebuano
McBoni:”ikaw proud cebuano, kaya mong isipin ang hiwalay na cebu. sana tanggap mo rin ang hiwalay na bangsamoro. sabagay naniniwala ako na baka nga mas umunlad pa ang cebu kapag napahiwalay sila sa gobyerno ng pilipinas. ganun din ang bangsamoro.”
That goes without saying. And thank you for seeing my way.
As i said, all the linguistic nations that comprise the Philippines should split from the ineffectual concept of a “Philippines” because after all these years of being together nothing good came out from this collective grouping. Instead, WE PULL EACH OTHER DOWN ECONOMICALLY AND MORALLY. And it’s only going to get worse when the population reaches a boling point.
Does anybody here really think that 100 years from now, the Philippines will emerge as a different, more progressive, country rid of the ingrained systemic and moral decay in all aspects of its national life? Can anyone truthfully envisage a time when Filipinos could walk the earth with their heads high in pride? Don’t you think that we have reach a level of no return, and the only way is to try other means of going forward?
I think that if the Tagalogs, the Ilonggos, Bansamoro or us Cebuanos (Cebu, Negros Oriental, Bohol, Leyte, parts of Mindanao, etc.) will find own own ethnic identity within the confines of our own indigenous territory, we can put that feeling of unity into something positive: that we are working and helping shape the destiny of OUR OWN people, not others who we practically don’t have anything in common, not language nor our way of life.
After all, let me repeat what I’ve said before, we were only bound to each other because of history. But then again, that historical experience we also share with other countries in Latin or South America and yet we didn’t get to be lumped as Latinos.
We should try our luck as Cebuanos, Tagalogs, Ilonggos, Bicolanos and what have you. And, yes, Bangsamoros.
tob
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Proud Cebuano said:
I maintain that being part of the so-called Philippines has not been 1) a choice made democratically for the Cebuano nation; it was IMPOSED on us by the the twist and turns of these islands’ history.
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This is precisely the talk that makes me conclude that you are a racist demagogue. First, let us set history straight. Cebu was the first Spanish colony in the Philippines and it was much older than Manila. Also, give credit to Cebuanos, Cebu was active during the fight against Spain, and also during the 1935 Constitution, and the post WWII Philippine government.
Second, IT TOOK ONLY 50 SPANIARDS TO COLONIZE LUZON, VISAYAS, AND MINDANAO. Let’s give credit to our ancestors’ inteligence. Our ancestors were traders and very politically sophisticated, even complex, if you may say. Even the king of Manila was a Muslim at that time. How come they were colonized?
The Spaniards gave them an offer they cannot refuse - liberty, the “Pax Espana”. To be exact, freedom from the BANGSAMORO EMPEROR. During their stay in the Philippines, the Spaniards developed fortresses on the shorelines of MINDANAO, Luzon, and Visayas as system of defense against the BANGSAMORO ATTACKS.
tob
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McBoni said:
Para bang kakambal ng paggamit ng ingles ay kaunlaran ng bayan.
Sandaang taon ng babad ang isip,salita at gawa ang ating mga kababayan sa sa ating merkanong tularan ngunit di naman nito napaunlad ang ating kabuhayan mula pa noon.
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The Philippine economy was foremost in Asia before the Japanese empire pulvorized our civilization in WWII. Still we’re able to recover somewhat and were able to industrialize, until Marcos dealt the final blow.
tob
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McBoni said:
sana lang ganun din ang iyong pananaw tungkol sa isang hiwalay na bangsamoro.
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An autonomous native tribe like Maranao, Tausug, Badjao, et al is worth considering. But an autonomous BANGSAMORO EMPIRE, that’s really a stretch. Everyone is duty bound to protect the NON-MUSLIM CULTURAL MINORITIES residing in the region. By their very objectives, the Bangsamoro empire is racist, exploitative, and theocratic. Once they get their empire, we can expect ethnic cleansing and genocide to follow like what happened in East Timur where the UN was forced to intervene. Even now they raid villages, decapitate prisoners, kidnap civilians as if it was their natural right.
Terminator
The idea of an independent Cebu or Bangsamoro is against the idea of a one country, a united Philippines and Filipinos. Dapat lahat ng pinoy ay nagkakaisa sa isang bandila. Ang mga nagsasabing huwag tangkilikin ang English bilang salita ay mga makikitid ang utak at hipokrito. Habang itinatakwil ang Amerika at lahat ng bagay na may ‘american touch’ o banyaga ay panay naman ang kain sa McDonalds, panay suot ng imported na damit at laging natutuwa pag may dolyares na padala ang mga kamag-anak sa ‘tate’
Sino ang may gustong maging watak watak ang bansa dahil sa bulok na prinsipyo ng pinanaglalaban ng ilan kagaya ng MNLF, MILF, o NPA. Sino ang may gusto na ang ibang bahagi ng Pilipinas ay nasa ilalim ng Sharia law at ang iba ay comunista? Dapat sa mga ito ay dinudurog ng militar. Dahil bukod sa mga corrupt na opisyales ay sila ang dahilan ng hindi pag usad ng bansa, dahil sila ay may kanya kanyang interes. Mahirap na ngang pagkaisahin ang mga pinoy dahil sa geopolitical setting dagdagan pa ng mga baluktot na ideolohiya.
Dapat sa mga pinoy, kung may pag kakataon ay lumabas ng bansa upang makita kung paano pinapatakbo ng mga ma-uunlad na bansa ang kanilang systemang politikal, economic at sosyal. Matatalino ang mga Filipino, maraming nagiging successful pag nakalabas ng bansa ang kailangan sa mga batang henerasyon ang edukasyon dahil walang pag asa ng pagbabago sa kasalukuyang henerasyon.
McBoni
sayo terminator.
sa pagpili mo palang ng pangalan sa blog litaw na litaw na ang iyong pagkatao. para kang agiw sa isang mamahaling porselana.
mabutit nakakahinga ka pa dyan sa napakakitid mong mundo.bat di mo gayahin yung palaka na tumalon at lumabas mula sa kanyang maliit at sariling mundo. makikita mo na hindi lang pala ikaw ang nakatira sa mundo. na marami ring taong katulad mo. na hindi lang ang isip mo ang gumagana sa mundo. na hindi lang yang idealismo na kinamulatan mo ang dapat mong pinaniniwalaan at pinagninilaynilayan.
bilang isang isang taong hindi makitid ang isip hindi mo dapat na nilalagay dyan sa kukote mo na ikaw lamang ang matuwid. na lahat maliban sa yong sariling paniniwala ay baluktot.
nagbasa ka ba? at sino naman ang may sabi na itinatakwil ang lahat ng may “american touch”? sinong may sabi na masama ang kumain sa mcdonalds at ang matuwa sa padalang dolyares ng mga kamag anak sa tate? di bat ikaw lang?.
ang mag aral at matuto ng ingles ay hindi masama katulad rin ng napakarami pang wikang banyaga ang magkaroon ng kakayahang makapagsalita nito ay isang napakabuting bagay.
ngunit ibang usapan naman kung ang paggamit nito ay masasaklawan na ang ating katutubong wika.
sa mga negosyo ang itinuturing na pakikipanayam na pormal ay ingles, sa paaralan, sa mga sa pamahalaan, sa mga korte.wala ni isa man sa mga mayayaman nating kapit bansa ang gumagawa nito. tayo lang. sa kanila ang sariling wika at pangalan ay di pinagtatawanan. ang mga maiitim ay di naglilikas papaya. ang mga pango ay di kailangang magpatangos. para sa kanila ang sarili ay di kinukutya.
nga pala kelan ka huling nakapunta sa isang kumunistang bansa? sa isang muslim na bansa? tila kasi napakalalim ng kaalaman mo tungkol sa kumunismo at sa sharia law sige nga kwetuhan mo nga kami ng may “sense”.
see the world in a different light ika nga remove the blinkers in your eyes. o ayan masaya ka na nag english nako. Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
tob
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McBoni said:
ngunit ibang usapan naman kung ang paggamit nito ay masasaklawan na ang ating katutubong wika.
sa mga negosyo ang itinuturing na pakikipanayam na pormal ay ingles, sa paaralan, sa mga sa pamahalaan, sa mga korte.wala ni isa man sa mga mayayaman nating kapit bansa ang gumagawa nito. tayo lang. sa kanila ang sariling wika at pangalan ay di pinagtatawanan. ang mga maiitim ay di naglilikas papaya. ang mga pango ay di kailangang magpatangos.
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Mawalang galang na po Ginoong McBoni, gusto ko lamang dagdagan ang tinuran ninyo, totoo po lahat ng ito, dahil ang ating mga kapit bansa ay mga “racist”. Minamaliit po nila ang mga hindi nila kalahi at hindi kapananaw sa buhay. Noong isang buwan lamang ay pinuksa ng mga Tsinong Han ang mga Tsinong Turkik. Limang taon lamang ang nakakaraan ay nilipol ng mga Indon ang mga taga-East Timur. Hindi na po mabilang ang mga Pilipinong napupugutan sa Arabia at mga Pilipinang nagagahasa sa HongKong, Japan, Singapore, at Malaysia. Totoo po lahat ang sinabi ninyo na mataas ang tingin nila sa kanilang mga sarili, datapwat makahayop ang trato nila sa mga taga-ibang bayan na tulad ng mga Pilipino.
Terminator
McBoni,
Nakakalitu ka namang mag explain. Ganyan ba kagulo ang prinsipyong itunuro sa iyo ng mga communista or MNFL. Kung ganyan kagulo ang isip mo paano tayo mag-kakaisa nyan? relax lang pare koy, nO big deal dude! Ang gawin mo mag-isip isip ka. Tungkol sa sharia law na sinasabi mo, tignan mo ang mga bansa sa Saudi, Iran, Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, at iba pang muslim country na itinatakwil ang demokrasya. May kalayaan ba? Halimbawa, pare, pag nagswimming ang isang babae sa mga bansang ito, sila ay dapat naka-burka. Isa pa bawal ang pork, hehehe, laging galit sa mga kano at bansang Israel. Mahilig manlatigo at mamalo o mamugot ng OFW. Mahilig mag jihad. Communista: China, venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, Myanmar, Rusya. sila ang mga bansang pasaway sa mundo. Mahilig magpropaganda, magsinungaling, mandaya, manloko at mahigpit sa mga tao nila. In short mapang-api. So kung gusto mo mapabilang ang Pinas sa mga bansang iyan, go! goodluck walang pipigil sa iyo, pero di taka suportahan.
Proud Cebuano
Tob: “This is precisely the talk that makes me conclude that you are a racist demagogue”
I think we need to have a definition of terms here before you continue any further. You’ve been mouthing too many isms without giving any specific meaning to whatever you were intending to mean, if ever you know what the word means.
Let’s start with racism. There are 3 dictionary meanings: 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
None of the above definitions apply to any of my statements here. I have never said that Cebuanos are superior to other linguistic groups nor should we or could we have the right to rule others. I WANT CEBUANOS TO HAVE THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT, NOT TO GOVERN OTHER PEOPLE(s). Hence there was never any talk of DISCRIMINATION against non-Cebuanos. I NEVER said I HATED other ethnic groups in the country either.
So YOU stop distorting the issues here - unless you really don’t have the mental capacity to take it all in a clear perspective. Don’t jump in on something way beyond your capacity to understand. And most important: not using words you don’t really know!
Another word you like to brandish here but you simply have no idea what it means: THEOCRATIC/THEOCRACY. Here again are 3 definitions: 1. a form of government in which God or a deity is recognized as the supreme civil ruler, the God’s or deity’s laws being interpreted by the ecclesiastical authorities.
2. a system of government by priests claiming a divine commission.
3. a commonwealth or state under such a form or system of government.
Now, tell me, when did the above definitions ever applied to my thoughts as expressed in this blog?
When did I ever mention that priests/imams/voodoo practicioners SHOULD govern us or should have a sway in our way of life. That’s theocracy and, go back to anything that I wrote here, and I have never brought in God in this discussion. I am much too secular or LAIC in my life to do this.
Finally, your use of the word EXPLOITATION, which basically means the use or utilization for profit.
You’ve been repeatedly pointing out that my ideas are exploitative. Pray tell, exploiting WHOM? I certainly am NOT PROFITING ANYTHING by expressing myself here. And a Cebuano nation will not exploit other linguistic nations because we will only be working with and for our OWN resources.
Now for your askew and LAUGHABLE version of Philippine colonial history. Reread your assertions:
“Let’s give credit to our ancestors’ inteligence. Our ancestors were traders and very politically sophisticated, even complex, if you may say. Even the king of Manila was a Muslim at that time. How come they were colonized? The Spaniards gave them an offer they cannot refuse - liberty, the “Pax Espana”. To be exact, freedom from the BANGSAMORO EMPEROR. During their stay in the Philippines, the Spaniards developed fortresses on the shorelines of MINDANAO, Luzon, and Visayas as system of defense against the BANGSAMORO ATTACKS.”
I doubt whether they had any clue where Spain was or those white visitors were from, much less have an understanding of “paz con Espana”. But they gave in…more than sheer stupidity, it was the power of the GUNPOWDER. But it took a WHOLE year (1570 t0 1571) for the Muslim rulers of the Tagalog region to hand over a pact with the conquistadores.
YOU also threw in the belief that these white visitors could protect them from the BANGSAMORO EMPEROR. Where did you get this historical data? At the time of the coming of the Spaniards and even during their Colonial rule, there were SULTANATES (meaning different rulers) and NO emperor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangsamoro
And these sultans were equivalent to the likes of Lapulapu in Cebu or Rajah Sulayman in Manila.
Intelligence?…politically sophisticated/complex? You must be kidding me. They simply were overpowered by Martin de Goiti, Juan de Salcedo and Miguel Lopez de Legaspi who waged battle after battles until Manila fell sometime on June 24, 1571.
And that assertion that “During their stay in the Philippines, the Spaniards developed fortresses on the shorelines of MINDANAO, Luzon, and Visayas as system of defense against the BANGSAMORO ATTACKS.”
The FACT was the Spaniards were not the only western colonizers at that time. There were the competing Dutch and English and they were fighting each other for the bounties of new colonies. The fortifications were the means to protect their new found assets and EVERYWHERE SPAIN SET UP THE FLAG, they built their central colonies inside fortresses, whether in Havana, in Puerto Rico or in Zamboanga. Not necessarily against Bangsamoro, which if you read indepth into that part of Philippine history, was a self-contained national territory which resisted and didn’t want to succumb to Spanish dominion. They were the ones being INVADED!
It’s funny that YOU, Tob, think that you can get away with distorting facts.
Remember what I said about small minds? Think about it if you can
tob
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Proud Cebuano said:
YOU also threw in the belief that these white visitors could protect them from the BANGSAMORO EMPEROR. Where did you get this historical data? At the time of the coming of the Spaniards and even during their Colonial rule, there were SULTANATES (meaning different rulers) and NO emperor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangsamoro
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You’d do better than rely on wikipedia, you probably made the entry in wikipedia, and merely quoted yourself. Anyway, datu was chieftain, rajah was king, sultan was emperor.
Pre-hispanic Filipinos were no stranger to Europeans, Portugal colonized Indonesia before Magallanes landed in the Philippines. The dutch, portuguese, and english colonizers supported the Bangsamoro Emperor with weapons in its fight against Manila. Until the end of the 18th century the Bangsamoro Emperor was actively attacking Luzon. To stop their attacks, Spain bribed them with a landholding in Quezon province, check your Philippine history books and stop relying solely on the Abu Sayyaf indoctrination manual. Joining the Spaniards effectively stopped the other European powers in automatically annexing the Philippines since they would have to contend with Spain. The Bangsamoro Empire military tactics never changed for the last 800 years, as you can see what the Abu Sayyaf is doing. It is very effective now, just imagine how effective it was then. The only way Spain was able to fight them off was to build fortresses and that the Filipino converts themselves (much like CAFGU) were the ones really fighting them under the flag of Spain. If you read the Bangsamoro historical records, they called Filipinos Spaniards notwithstanding the fact that they were actually natives.
And if the Bangsamoro Empire was really that desirable, how come the people of Sabah wouldn’t join them? It is an undeniable fact that Sabah really belonged to the Bangsamoro Empire. If there is a referendum right now in Sabah if they would join the Bangsamoro the answer would be “Ridiculous!”. Why, because the Bangsamoro was and continuous to be imperialists. They treated the people of Sabah like slaves. They even pawned Sabah to European countries in exchanged for weapons, hence their trouble recovering Sabah.
I’m not saying that the Spaniards were saints, but they saw an opportunity and took advantage of it. They saw that the Filipinos wanted the Bangsamoro Emperor off their back, but they needed unity to do it, hence the colonizers offered the Spanish flag. During the Filipino-Spain alliance called “Pax Espana”, they fought off the Bangsamoro, Portugal, Dutch, England, Japanese Empire, and Chinese Empire.
On your Theocracy retort: Enforcing Sharia on Non-Muslim NATIVE tribes is definitely theocratic.
On you being racist and an exploiter: All your definitions apply to you.
Proud Cebuano
Tob: “You’d do better than rely on wikipedia, you probably made the entry in wikipedia, and merely quoted yourself.”
You really are a small-minded person who could only imagine a scenario as limited as the tip of his (flat) nose. As if that’s the only thing I do in this world, making entries in Wiki just to augment my argument about a topic I am neither interested AT FIRST nor inclined to pursue EXCEPT to unmask your flamboyant version of Philippine colonial history. LOL! I never used the word BANGSAMORO until I had to reply to somebody who used it and of course to YOU who seems to be stuck on the word for the onus of your argument. More than onus it’s your anus.
Anyway, datu was chieftain, rajah was king, sultan was emperor.
“Pre-hispanic Filipinos were no stranger to Europeans, Portugal colonized Indonesia before Magallanes landed in the Philippines.”
You make it sound like those Filipinos had access to CNN, giving them an update on European arrival to these parts of the world.
Before I address that preposterous notion, let me correct another grave historical distortion of yours. P
he dutch, portuguese, and english colonizers supported the Bangsamoro Emperor with weapons in its fight against Manila. Until the end of the 18th century the Bangsamoro Emperor was actively attacking Luzon.
McBoni
lam mo tob alam nating lahat na masama ang rasismo. Ngunit malaki ang pagkakaiba nito sa pagmamahal sa sarili at lalong iba ito sa pagiging tagahimod ng pwet.
McBoni
etong terminator, kapag ang isang tao ay hindi sumasang ayon sa doktrinang ipinakain sa kanya mula pagkabata ang tawag nya dito kumunista, o kaya “MNFL”,hehe. o sige na nga G. teminator balik ka na ulit sa barracks nyo, marami pa yata kayong totortyurin e. eenjoyin ko lang tong bigmac ko, dumating na kasi dollars na padala ni utol e. bye.
Proud Cebuano
Tob: “You’d do better than rely on wikipedia, you probably made the entry in wikipedia, and merely quoted yourself.”
You really are a small-minded person who could only imagine a scenario as limited as the tip of his (flat) nose. As if that’s the only thing I do in this world, making entries in Wiki just to augment my argument about a topic I am neither interested AT FIRST nor inclined to pursue EXCEPT to unmask your flamboyant version of Philippine colonial history. LOL!
I never used the word BANGSAMORO until I had to reply to somebody who used it and of course to YOU who seems to be stuck on the word for the onus of your arguments. More than onus it’s your anus.
“Pre-hispanic Filipinos were no stranger to Europeans, Portugal colonized Indonesia before Magallanes landed in the Philippines.”
You make it sound like those Filipinos had access to CNN, giving them an update on European arrivals to these parts of the world. Double LOL!!
Let me correct a grave historical distortion of yours: THE PORTUGUESE WERE NEVER SUCCESSFUL IN THEIR ATTEMPTS TO COLONIZE OUR NEIGHBORS. Their first foray from Malacca was in 1512 and they tried very hard to foster a lasting coalition with the natives of various islands for more than 50 years. But they met a decisive defeat in the hands of the indigenous Ternateans (from Ternate) and their presence in Indonesia was reduced to Solor, Flores and Timor in modern day Nusa Tenggara. Thus, their influence on local culture is small. They were also fighting off the Dutch whose conquests in Ambon, north Maluku and Banda, resulted to their general failure to maintain control of trade in the region.
For you to expound that “the dutch, portuguese, and english colonizers supported the Bangsamoro Emperor with weapons in its fight against Manila.” is so IMPROBABLE because all those players were in warring disarray and could not have had the logistics to mount an assault on another country. BESIDES, THE HISTORICAL TIMELINE BEARS OUT MY CONTENTION: THE SPANIARDS ARRIVED IN THE PHILIPPINES IN 1521 when all the would-be Western conquerors of Indonesia were not even settled there yet! And the Dutch trading monopoly VOC only was able to militarily take over Jakarta in 1619. At that time, the Spanish occupation of Las Islas Filipinas has already been completed, with Manila falling to the hands of Juan de Salcedo in the service of Legaspi in 1570 (5 years before the decisive thwarting of the Portuguese in Ternate). As a matter of fact, the Galleon Trade was inaugurated in 1565 between the Philippines and Mexico so if anybody was in the position to export terror and threaten the stability of a colonized country in the region, it would have been the Spaniards. But they weren’t interested to be overly greedy. They had enough lands and dominions to occupy them.
Sure, because of the success they had in bringing back home the fruits of their undertakings, making Spain the envy of other Europeans at the time, during Spain’s 333 year rule in the Philippines, the colonists had to fight off several attempts to replace them but that’s natural. Everyone was in it for the material or economic reasons, NOT FOR BANGSAMORO EXPANSION SUPPORT! The Chinese pirates (who lay siege to Manila, the most famous of which was Limahong in 1574), Dutch forces, Portuguese forces, and indigenous attacks were repelled with limited resources. Moros from western Mindanao and the Sulu Archipelago constantly raided the coastal Christian areas of Luzon and the Visayas and occasionally brought home loot and fair women. They often sold their captives as slaves.
“Until the end of the 18th century the Bangsamoro Emperor was actively attacking Luzon.”
As I said, NOT ONLY the Bangsamoros. It were simply those buccaneering times. They were not by any stretch the only VILLAINS of history. Put that in you mind now, y’hear?
Along with your askew or distorted knowledge of history, there is, I see, still a problem with your grasp of dictionary meanings (theocracy, racism, exploitation) despite my generosity of supplying you insights. Well, I give up. YOU ARE NOT WORTH MY TIME TO INTELLECTUALLY SPAR WITH. Go and play with the other hate-mongers of the world.
McBoni
nga pala termi, itong mga bansang sinabi mo napunta ka na ba sa mga bansang to? pano mo nalaman ang lahat ng info mo? sang komiks o kaya propagandang brodkast mo napulot ang mga to? buti ka pa nakakapag around the world.hehe!
langya alam mo naman siguro kung anong bansa ang tinutukoy mo dito di ba?
“bansang pasaway sa mundo. Mahilig magpropaganda, magsinungaling, mandaya, manloko at mahigpit sa mga tao nila. In short mapang-api.” - idagdag mo pa maraming kaaway,maraming armas nukleyar,kemikal biological at kung ano ano pa. galit daw sa mananakop kaya nung sinakop ng iraq ang kuwait mala knight in shining armor ang dating. durog agad ang kalaban. pero nung pinasok ng israel ang lebanon tila walang pakiramdam. nung pinasok ng rusya ang afghanistan ay bahag na buntot na nagtago kasama ang kanyang mga kaibigan habang nagwawala ang russian bear.
pumatay ng daandaan libong mga sibilyan pero nung sila naman ang namatayan ng tatatlong libo kala mo aping api na. nagwala,naghuramentado palibhasa patay na yung kinatatakutan nyang oso.
….kaya lang di mo aaminin kung anong bansa to.
aminin!!!!!!
tob
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Proud Cebuano said:
BESIDES, THE HISTORICAL TIMELINE BEARS OUT MY CONTENTION: THE SPANIARDS ARRIVED IN THE PHILIPPINES IN 1521 when all the would-be Western conquerors of Indonesia were not even settled there yet!
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Better check you timeline and your history. Magallanes was a Portuguese captain stationed in Indonesia before he joined Spain and went the opposite route that is why he was considered the first man to circumnavigate the world and not his companion Basco de Gama (He died in the Philippines, while Basco was able to return home). At that time Spain was just trying to catch up with Portugal.
Yes, Philippines was updated on world events during that time because it is located on the edges of the ancient trading route called the Silk Road because of the spice islands. Magallanes was not able to scare Lapu Lapu with canon blasts or any of the native chiefs, because they were familiar with guns and canons. By the way, gun power was invented in China.
The Bangsamoro Empire was barely a hundred years old in the islands upon the arrival of Magallanes and was considered as a foreign invader and not as a native tribe. There is no need to justify their piratical ways. As I mentioned, the best test of their place in history is how the people of Sabah, “their colony”, perceive them today. And yes, the Bangsamoro Empire received support from European powers, how come Britain paid the Bangsamoro Emperor lease on Sabah?
The European colonizers showed different ways in their colonization, the Dutch, Portuguese, and British were content in collaborating with the local rulers, hence, their limited impact on the local culture. While the Spaniards shared their culture, hence, the hispanization of the islands.
I am not intellectually sparring with you, just looking at gaping holes in your arguments and your history.
McBoni
kay tob at sa lahat ng bloggers,
kaming bangsamoro kailanman ay hindi marunong manloko. pumunta kayo sa greenhills at nandun ang katibayan na parehas kaming magnegosyo. puro original at walang fake or pirated. hindi kami pumapatay ng mga inosente at may takot kami kay allah. hindi rin totoo na nangkikidnap kami for ransom. tsimis lang yun. irespeto nyo kami! dahil kami ay modelo ng kalinisan at kagandahang asal…o di ba?
McBoni
sabi mo tob
“Minamaliit po nila ang mga hindi nila kalahi at hindi kapananaw sa buhay. Noong isang buwan lamang ay pinuksa ng mga Tsinong Han ang mga Tsinong Turkik. Limang taon lamang ang nakakaraan ay nilipol ng mga Indon ang mga taga-East Timur. Hindi na po mabilang ang mga Pilipinong napupugutan sa Arabia at mga Pilipinang nagagahasa sa HongKong, Japan, Singapore, at Malaysia. Totoo po lahat ang sinabi ninyo na mataas ang tingin nila sa kanilang mga sarili, datapwat makahayop ang trato nila sa mga taga-ibang bayan na tulad ng mga Pilipino.”
e ano naman ang kinalaman ng lahat ng ito sa mga sinasabi ko pareng tob. maaaring may hibla ng katotohanan ang sinasabi mo sa kanila pero hindi ito ang tinutumbok ko.
malaking bahagi kung hindi man lahat ang nawala sa ating pagkakakilanlan bilang isang lahi. ang sinasabi ko kelangan sana nating maibalik ang pagmamahal at respeto at ang kakayahang maipag malaki ang sarili sa harap ng iba. ang maibalik at mapanatili ang apoy ng pagkamakabansa hindi lang kapag nananalo si manny paquiao.
sana ay unt iunti nating mabura at sa huli ay tuluyang makalas ang mga tanikalang kumuba sa atin na ginamit na sandata ng ating mga mananakop upang tayo ay maigupo. kailan may hindi naging ganap ang kanilang tagumpay bagamat naihimlay na nila ang ating mga mandirigma. bakit? sapagkat di pa nila nagagapi ang ating pusong lumaban noon. walang katapusang digmaan at di mauubos na mga mandirigma ang kanilang hinaharap. sa bawat isang buhay sampu ang papalit upang ipag patuloy ang pagtatanggol sa sarili. at alam ito ng mga kaaway. sa gusot na kanilang pinasok wala silang aasahang lubusang tagumpay kung di nila masasakop ang puso at isipan ng kanilang dinudusta. kinailangan nilang burahin ang ating nakaraan at sa gayon ay nawalan ng saysay ang pakikipaglaban. sinimulan nila ang pagsakop sa atin. panulat,pangalan,wika, alaala. ang lahat ng atin ay naging pangit, mahina, walang kwenta. at kabaligtaran naman nito ang nagyari sa mga mananakop. dahil dito wala ng ibang maganda at mabuti kundi ang tagapagligtas daw mula sa kamangmangan at kahirapan na si tiyong amerika. sa kung paano mang paraan nagawa nilang lahat ng ito.
isang bagay na kung ginawa man ng mga kastila sa atin ay tiyak na hindi sila nagtagumpay sapagkat sa daandaang taon ng kanilang pananatili rito di kelan man namatay sa puso ng ating mga ninuno ang galit apoy ng paglaban.
alam mo yan kapatid na tob, mas matalino ka sa akin. kayong dalawa ni proud cebuano mas malawak at makatuturan ang inyong nalalaman mas malaki ang inyong magagawa.
sa huli tama pa rin si Jose Rizal sa kanyang tinuran na di makakarating sa kanyang patutunguhan ang sinumang di marunong lumingon sa kanyang pinanggalingan.
walang respeto ang pinoy sa kanyang sarili dahil ang totoo nito di nya kilala ang kanyang tunay na sarili.
isa lang naman ang gusto nating patunguhang lahat yun ay ang magkaroon ng maunlad at masaganang bayan. matagal nang sinabi ni pepe lingunin kaya natin ang ating pinanggalingan, baka sakali pag nalaman natin kung sino tayong talaga baka sakali, magkaroon tayo ng paggalang sa sarili. baka sakali di na tayo pumayag na tawaging mga nasasakupan ni haring phillip, baka sakali di na tayo manghiram ng wika ng iba sulat ng iba at pangalan ng iba kapag nalaman natin na meron din naman pala tayong sarili. Baka sakali maisip natin na hindi naman pala nakakatawa si “Andres Bonifacio atapang a tao” na hindi naman pala talaga corny ang history lalo kapag inaral ito ng may bukas na isipan, di ba termi?
malay mo dahil dito isipin na natin na gumawa kesa magtinda at magtinda kesa bumili. malay mo rin baka gumanda ang tingin natin sa kulay ng karamihan sating kayumanggi at itapon na ang sambungkos na likas papaya napinamili nya.malay mo pa rin dahil dito ay ayawan na natin ng mga pangit na jeepney natin at mga segunda manong makina nito. baka gustuhin na natin ng gumawa ng sariling atin. wala namang misteryo pa sa kung papano gumagana ang teknolohiya ng mga to. di lang talaga tayo pinag aral para mag isip na gumawa kasi nga mahina daw at pangit ang atin kaya sige bili na lang tayo. sila ang taga gawa tayo lang ang taga bili…… at napakarami pang iba. sana tulad dun sa palabas dalawin din tayo ni neo at gisingin mula sa ating pagkakahimbing. at tuluyang maging lubos na malaya.
r .santos
to roger lastquit; ako ang isa sa tiga subaybay ng blog mo at nabasa ko na may project pala ho kayo na ipatayo na kailangan mo ng konting tulong.eh.. nais ko sanang makatulong kaya lang hinde ko alam kong papaano ko mapadala kung sakali ng tulong sa kawad kalinnga.mayroon ba kayong bank account. door to door para ma transfer ang money sa GAWAD KALINGA alan ko na malaki ang nagagawa nito sa mga kapus palad sa buhay.alam kong walang puma pasin sa letter blog. but for sure they are just busy of this topic.Sana mga kasama dito muna natin dalhin ang topic kay KA ROGER LESQUIT. for being filipino people. i hope hinde ko ma offend ang iba simulan na natin ngayon ang pagtulong.kung paano ma send kong nasa abroad ka .(eversea) kasi po ka ROGER …alam ko si TOKWA ay nasa states eh….balibagan kayo ng $100 dollar ha!!! okey ba pareng tokwa… joke only tol…! kaya mga ka blogger joint na kayo kay ka ROGER LASTQUIT… is this is alias or real name. thanks TOB! your are FILIPINO by heart.WE are proud of you..all the way…but don,t drain your brain it is not worthed.BASTA TAYO FILIPINO. no question ask. note;(yong hinde filipino huwag ng humirit)
tob
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McBoni said:
lam mo tob alam nating lahat na masama ang rasismo. Ngunit malaki ang pagkakaiba nito sa pagmamahal sa sarili at lalong iba ito sa pagiging tagahimod ng pwet.
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Exactly, it means we do not have to suck up to Spaniards, but it also means we do not have to suck up to Bangsamoro, the Japanese, Chinese, or to any Filipino for that matter.
There is a thin line between nationalism and racism. Nazis were nationalists, so were the communists, Japanese empire, NPA’s and MINLF. If your nationalism does not evolve beyond being proud of your country, you are definitely a racist. Nationalism involves compassion to your nation (being “makabayan”), meaning having the well-being of your country in mind - and that means for everyone in it including the minorities and strangers.
tob
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McBoni said:
e ano naman ang kinalaman ng lahat ng ito sa mga sinasabi ko pareng tob. maaaring may hibla ng katotohanan ang sinasabi mo sa kanila pero hindi ito ang tinutumbok ko.
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It means you have the propensity to idolize, even worship foreign countries notwithstanding that they are tyrants. Gat Andres Bonifacio already said, the only people that can Filipinos are Filipinos. We need to stop looking to other countries to idolize and start looking at when we need to do.
tob
sorry, I mean what we need to do.
Proud Cebuano
Tob, you never stop with your incredulous historical distortions, do you?
This is what you just said: “Better check you timeline and your history. Magallanes was a Portuguese captain stationed in Indonesia before he joined Spain and went the opposite route that is why he was considered the first man to circumnavigate the world and not his companion Basco de Gama (He died in the Philippines, while Basco was able to return home). At that time Spain was just trying to catch up with Portugal.”
Here’s for your better education:
1. Before setting out to travel and find a route to the Spice islands for Spain, his only other excursion out of Europe was to go to INDIA to install Francisco de Almeida, the new Portuguese Viceroy. This was in 1505 and he was 25 years old. That trip gave him the first taste of battle in the Battle of Diu in 1509. He however fell out of favor with Almeida because he was suspected of having illicit trading with the moors and he was sacked on May 15, 1515. No other maritime job came up until 1515 for another Portuguese expedition but he rejected the offer.
2. Instead he went to Spain, obtained Spanish nationality, offered his services to the Spanish crown to TRY to find a westward route to the Spice Islands. King Charles V took kindly to him despite the objections of several court antagonists and gave him command of the 5 Crown of Castille ships (you know which ones were they, don’t you?).
3. At no time was it possible for him to have SIMPLY JOINED THE SPANISH NAVAL FORCE FROM “being stationed in Indonesia” (as you claim). The King would never allow somebody to command his ships without knowing the person beforehand nor would the Court of Spain and, more importantly, THE SPANIARDS IN THE SHIPS THEMSELVES would allow a NON-SPANIARD, much less their territorial enemy, a PORTUGUESE. This version of yours of how Magellan came to be in one of the ships is completely WACKO!
3. He became the first person to lead an expedition across the Pacific Ocean. This was also the first successful attempt to circumnavigate the Earth. Although he did not complete the entire voyage (he was killed during the Battle of Mactan in the Philippines), Magellan had earlier detoured and traveled eastward to the Spice Islands, so he became one of the first individuals to cross all of the meridians of the Globe.
Take note: HE WAS ONLY ONE OF THE FIRST INDIVIDUALS…
I suggest that, instead of reading from whatever sources you have, TALK TO MY FELLOW PROUD CEBUANO (a Boholano), YOYOY VILLAME FOR BETTER HISTORY LESSONS, especially one about Magellan.
Proud Cebuano
Tob also claims that “The European colonizers showed different ways in their colonization, the Dutch, Portuguese, and British were content in collaborating with the local rulers, hence, their limited impact on the local culture. While the Spaniards shared their culture, hence, the hispanization of the islands.”
The British had a LIMITED impact on their colonies local culture: HELLO! Australians, Indians, Pakistanis, etc. are to this day WANNA-BE BRITS.
The Dutch colonial influence on Indonesia: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2006/09/16/dutch-cultural-influence-indonesia.html
Would there be Brazil, Macau, Goa, Angola, Cape Verde, East Timor etc. as we know it now without their undergoing the Portuguese Empire? Not only do they still speak Portuguese but they’re proud of it to form CPLC, Community of Portuguese language Countries. NOT LIMITED IN ANY WAY, Tob
Enuff said!
Proud Cebuano
Correction: Fernão de Magalhães (his Portuguese name) was sacked on May 15, 1514 (not 1515).
McBoni
teka lang hindi akin yung #281. di totoo yan. dami fake dami din manloloko sa kanila. walang kinalaman ang pinanggalingan ng isang tao taga luzon visayas o mindanao man siya. ibaiba ugali ng tao. may makulit lang na gumamit ng pangalan ko.
McBoni
tama yan r. santos kung may kakayahan kang tumulong dapat talaga gawin mo. di sinasabi yan. sige lang trabaho ka lang dyan kelangan ka pa ng ekonomya natin sa ngayon e.
yaan mo tulad ng ginawa ni castro sa cuba, bukas ang pinto ng bayang kayumanggi palabas para sa mga kapwa mo filipinwo.
wag ka magalala bukas din naman ang pinto ng espanya para sayo malay mo hinihintay ka dun ng hari mo, nga pala pasalubungan mo na rin sila ng mga produkto mo yun bang mga sawali,rattan at bamboo crafts. dala ka na rin ng mga banig. di ba yun lang naman ang kaya nating gawin dito kahit na “super duper mega hitech” na ang buong mundo?
kumusta kamo sabi ng PILIPINAS!
darating ang araw kami naman ang dadaong sa kanilang baybayin.
ngiti naman dyan! hehe!
McBoni
tob nakakatuwa ka rin. may katwiran si proud cebuano sa pagsasabing “dinidistort” mo ang history kasi pati nga mga sinasabi ko dinidistort mo rin e.unang una ay hindi ako moro para sabihin mong “i have to suck up to them”. ang sinasabi ko lang kung gusto nilang magsarili at di naman natin sila matulungan sa kanilang misery at di rin naman natin sila masawata sa kanilang napakatagal nang pagpupumiglas ay siguro panahon na para sa kapayapaan at ang daan tungo ron ay hindi na dahas dahil sa dami na ng namatay sa atin at sa kanila ay di lelan man namatay ang kanilang apoy sa dibdib na lumaban. walang katapusang gulo to at yan ay isang napakalaking hadlang tungo sa kaunlaran. kung ayaw nating mapahiwalay sa atin ang mga kapatid nating moro tinitiyak ko sa yong hindi ito sa pamamagitan ng dahas. bakit nga ba nating ipilit ang sarili natin sa kanila noong nagkaroon ako ng pagkakataong makita at makasalamuha sila di ko naramdaman na nasa pilipinas ako dahil malayong malayo sa kinagisnan kong pinoy ang mga moro. kung tutuusin nga mas muka pa silang mga malaysian o indonesian kung ang pagbabatayan ay ang kanilang wika,paguugali at kultura.
isa pa kala ko na magaling ka. sinabi ko na mabuti ang pa ang mga kapit bansa natin napanatili nila ang kanilang pagkakakilanlan pero kahit kelan ay di ko sila sinasamba tulad ng sinasabi mo. kinailangan kong gawin silang halimbawa dahil kelangan kong ipaghambing ang pagyakap natin sa kulturang kanluranin na para bang wala ng pag asa maliban sa kanila. ipinakita ko lang na kung nagawa nga nila e bakit naman tayo hindi.
tama ka may manipis na pagitan ang rasismo at nasyonalismo, pero kung tinatawag mong rasismo ang pagkamakabayan ko bagamat hindi ay mas matatangap ko yon kesa tagahimud sa puwit ng kanluran.
McBoni
#282 pala yung hindi akin. censya na tob.
ewan ko pano nagawa.may gumamit ng pangalan ko. inuulit ko ang tao san man lupalop nanggaling may mabuti may masama kaya wag mong sabihin na moro kaya hindi kayo mga manloloko. maraming mabubuting tao sa inyo pero tulad ng lahat ng lahi sa buong mundo di nawawalan ng mga pasaway. hindi iisang tao ang moro. kaya nga bangsamoro e. engots!
McBoni
Pasensiya na kayo. Minsan hindi ko rin maintindihan ang takbo ng utak ko. Minsan kampi ako sa moro minsan hindi naman. Ewan ko ba sa pakiramdam ko kasi napakatalino at napakagaling ko pero sa totoo lang sabog sabog din ang takbo ng utak… ko kaya napansin nyo ba kung ano ano na pinagsasabi ko. I cant make up my mind. I hate the westerners but I wear Nike and Adidas. Kumakain din ako sa McDonalds. Tao lang po ako kaya pasensiya na kayo. Sometimes I eat my own words and I regret being over assuming to the point of me becoming stupid. Wala pong gumagamit ng monicker ko kundi ako lang …magulo lang talaga utak ko.
McBoni
Teka lang? sino na naman yung nagpasok ng comments #295? Talagang may makulit na gumagamit ng pangalan ko ah! Gusto nyo ba magtali ako ng pula sa ulo, mag-ahit ng kilay, magpakalbo at maghuramentado? O gusto nyo maglagay ako ng bomba sa katawan para mag-suicide bomber na ako para maubos na kayong lahat sa blog na ito? Kayo rin pag sumabog ako may naghihintay na seventy virgins sa akin sa heaven…o di ba?
Proud Cebuano
Hey McBoni,
Calm down, dude. I think your getting out of control …or maybe your already out of your mind.
tob
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McBoni said:
tob nakakatuwa ka rin. may katwiran si proud cebuano sa pagsasabing “dinidistort” mo ang history kasi pati nga mga sinasabi ko dinidistort mo rin e.
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Pasensiya na rin, nakakatuwaan ko lamang. Ganyan talaga kapag hindi matatag ang argumento at historical support - madaling tisurin. Ang hindi ko lamang maubos maisip ay paanong naging api at alipin ang mga kidnaper, pirata, at white slavers na Bangsamoro? Sumuko lamang at umanib ang Bangsamoro sa Espanya noong bago matapos ang ika-18 daan taon at marami pang padulas na ibinigay sa kanila. At isang malaking tanong, bakit hindi sa kanila umaanib ang Sabah gayong ito ay “colony” nila? Ibig sabihin talagang mapang-api sila at isinusuka. Sa mga Maranao, Badjao, Tausug, at iba pang katutubong Muslim, wala akong balak makipaghiwalay, pero sa imperyalistang bangsamoro, hindi ko malaman kung kailan sila naging bahagi ng Pilipinas at kung paano sila nagkaroon ng karapatan maging hari ng mga katutubong lumad. Ang alam ko sa kasaysayan ng Pilipinas ang Bangsamoro ang sumasalakay sa mga dalampasigan at pumapatay sa mga mahihirap na mangingisda ang tawag nga lamang natin sa kanila noon ay pirata. Ang masasabi ko lamang, kung hindi sila umasa sa pamimirata at inasikaso sana nila ang kanilang kolonyang Sabah, eh di napakayaman sana nila ngayon.
Isa sa mga objectives ng Bangsamoro ay to enjoy the natural resources of Mindanao. Ilang porsiyento ba ng Mindanao ang Bangsamoro? Ibig ba nilang sabihin aalipinin nila lahat ng tao sa Mindanao?
tob
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Proud Cebuano said:
BESIDES, THE HISTORICAL TIMELINE BEARS OUT MY CONTENTION: THE SPANIARDS ARRIVED IN THE PHILIPPINES IN 1521 when all the would-be Western conquerors of Indonesia were not even settled there yet!
then, Proud Cebuano said:
3. He became the first person to lead an expedition across the Pacific Ocean. This was also the first successful attempt to circumnavigate the Earth. Although he did not complete the entire voyage (he was killed during the Battle of Mactan in the Philippines), Magellan had earlier detoured and traveled eastward to the Spice Islands, so he became one of the first individuals to cross all of the meridians of the Globe.
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Ano ba talaga ate?
tob
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McBoni said:
tama ka may manipis na pagitan ang rasismo at nasyonalismo, pero kung tinatawag mong rasismo ang pagkamakabayan ko bagamat hindi ay mas matatangap ko yon kesa tagahimud sa puwit ng kanluran.
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You are implying that I am a suck up to western ideals, I said that you are a suck up to Bangsamoro ideals. Western ideal: right to life, libery, and pursuit of happiness - I’ll always be sucker for that. Bangsamoro ideals: five wives, total control over women, and right to exterminate anybody with different religion… … you got me there man, seriously, that’s every dude’s dream. No wonder they’re so popular.
roger lasquite
to R.Santos,una ay salamat po,…katatapos lang ng GK Walk last Sunday at hindi rin ako nakasali,napaki-usapan akong maging isa sa taga-dasal, sa aming FE-Weekend,at ok din naman po,lahat e paglilingkod din naman talaga,at patuloy naman po ang fund raising ng GK,so eto po yung online registration and hopefully e,masundan nyo kung papaano o baka meron diyan sa kalapit o malapit sa inyo, http://www.gkwalk.ca
salamat po,…hayaan na lang po natin ang magandang mga usapan at ok din ,natututo rin naman marahil lahat…kung hindi kayo mak-in sa online e i can send some e-mail address of one of our GK ministry members.muli salamat po.
McBoni
Hindi ko rin maintindhan kung bakit yung mga idolo kong rallyista na sigaw ng sigaw ng ibagsak ang imperyalismo sa harap ng US embassy eh yung mga buhay nila ang bumagsak. Kasi nga kesa magsumikap silang magtrabaho eh inuubos ang pera at panahon sa kaka-shabu at kakasigaw ng ibagsak ang imperyalismong kano sa harap ng US embassy kaya ayun, sa mahabang panahon na inaksaya nila walang nangyari sa buhay nila. Pero umaasa pa rin ako na maibabagsak natin ang imperyalismo. Kung hindi siguro magiging ganun din ako tulad nung mga rallyista dahil sa katuwiran kong baluktot..ano sa tingin nyo?
McBoni
Mas gusto ko pang tumira ng puwit ng mga Pilipino sa Saudi kesa humimod ng puwit ng taga kanluran…yan ako, si McBoni tunay na middle eastern at alagad ni Bin Laden.
McBoni
May bumabastos talaga sa akin dito..Proud Cebuano tulungan mo ako ahahayyy!!!
McBoni
sayo tob
Western ideal: right to life, libery, and pursuit of happiness. - ikaw lang naman nauuto nyan. hahaha!
lam mo distort boy di ko alam kung bakit ipinagpipilitan mo to. “I said that you are a suck up to Bangsamoro ideals.”
di mo talaga matanggap na may mga taong gugustuhin ang kalayaan ng mga nila. ayaw na nila satin at di na sila mapigil. gulo lang ang binibigay nila satin ano pa ang dapat nating gawin? ubusin silang lahat yun ba gusto mo? kelan ko naman sinabing inaapi sila at na mabuti ang ginagawa ng iba sa kanila.(abu sayyaf).alalahanin mo di lang naman sila ang moro. at nga pala bakit naman nadamay ang buong mindanao. san mo naman nakuha yan? pati nga yung mga moro di nagsasabi na kanila ang buong mindanao e. ikaw lang.
McBoni
to proud cebuano
Calm down, dude. I think your getting out of control …or maybe your already out of your mind.
cge kelangan ko nang magpalit ng pangalan.wag ka magalala di ako yun sa #296 at 295. may mga tao kasi na di kayang sumabay sa usapan siguro baka walang masabi o talagang sadyang kulang kulang kaya naninira na lang. kung sino ka man sabihin mo sa sarili mo na bobo ka kaya wala kang masabing matino. salamat sa concern mo cebuano, pero di ako yun.
McBoni
di naman sa ayaw ko sa kanluraning kulturaang problema lang kasi ay ipinagpapalit natin sa sarili natin. sayo manggagamit ng pangalan, inaasahan ko naman na talagang malilito ka sa maraming bagay lalo na kung kinakailangan mong mag-isip. wag mong pilitin ang sarili mo baka sumabog ang ulo mo sa kakasubok.sabagay wala naman laman yan.
ikaw lang ang nalilito.
nagiging masama lang ang pagtangkilik sa mga kanluraning produkto kapag sinasamba mo na ito at naniniwala na wala nang iba pang gaganda pa dito. bakit ba naman ang tsina may mga mcdo at kfc’s din naman pero ang pinagkaiba nito satin ay mas pinapakinabangan nila ang mga to kesa sila ang pinapakinabangan.
teka censya na alam ko litung lito ka na naman.pa upgrade ka kaya ng memory baka sakali.
gigabytes na tayo ngayon kilobytes ka pa rin. kaya ka pala nagha-hang e! hehe!.
Proud Cebuano
Tob: “Ano ba talaga ate?: ”
Well, ate, going on a voyage doesn’t mean SETTLING. To put it more clearly for your limited grasp of the language: being on a ship means you’re not on land.
Magellan made that detour because of navigational error and didn’t even realize he was in the Spice Islands already, otherwise he and the naval flotilla with him would not have proceeded elsewhere (eventually to the Philippines) because their main target was the Spice Islands.
Other Europeans at that time were also on the high seas looking for the same fabled Spice Islands. The Portuguese, as I mentioned were in the area since 1512 (9 years earlier than Magellan’s discovery of the PHilippines) BUT THEY WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN COLONIZING THE ISLANDS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT NOW BELONG TO INDONESIA. THEY TRIED FOR FIFTY YEARS BUT WERE REPULSED BY THE NATIVES. Go back to my post about this.
McBoni,
If it’s any consolation to you, I DID NOT WRITE POST #297 MYSELF (somebody else did and I don’t know how) so I believe your claims of somebody taking on your online persona.
TO THE BLOG ADMINISTRATOR:
How is this possible? How can we continue to pitch in our thoughts and musings in an authentically personal way if this blog has become vulnerable to trolls who want to wreck havoc on the active participants here. YOU’VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT! IF NOT, THEN JUST SHUTTER THE WHOLE BLOG.
avillafania
The topic “Dysfunctionally Pinoy” continues to gather insights from concerned Filipinos. However, some of the discussions have also drawn negative comments from participants, which has derided the discussion into personal attacks.
While we exercise freedom of expression, we should also exercise restraint in making certain remarks deemed offending. As such, the administrator is requesting that participants refrain from making personal attacks against each other or even to any specific group or community of people.
Topics here should create healthy yet informative debate among people, regardless of their affinity.
Apologies for any inconveniences.
tob
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Proud Cebuano said:
I doubt whether they had any clue where Spain was or those white visitors were from, much less have an understanding of “paz con Espana”. But they gave in…more than sheer stupidity, it was the power of the GUNPOWDER.
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How can you call yourself Proud Cebuano with the above assertion?
Let us go back to this blog and compare it to the rest of your succeeding blogs. If Philippines was part of the Madjapahit/ Bangsamoro empire you idolized so much, how come the above assertion?
Records show that there was considerable trade between Manila and China at that time. Let me remind you that China invented gun powder. The Spaniards even captured a canon maker in Manila - based on Spanish accounts.
Even Pigafetta’s account said that the native Filipinos were not even stirred by Magellan’s cannon blasts.
You are sucking up to the Bangsamoro big time, implying that they are the only civilized/even thinking people in the Philippines. You are also implying that theirs is the only native culture.
I don’t see also the continuity from them being super”tough” and super”cool” into unwilling victims.
Haven’t you considered that there was no gap in the culture of the other tribes, like the Manobos, the Tibolis, Ifugaos, Igorots, Ibanags, Aetas, Balugas, etc. Haven’t you even considered that there had been no gap in the culture of the pre-hispanic and the modern-day Cebuanos except for the Hispanic influences?
Relatedly, there had been no gap in the culture of the Bangsamoro “Abu Sayyaf” imperialists. Their objective in Mindanao is to enjoy the fruits of its resources, much like what they did in Sabah, only to enjoy its resources. Don’t you really see the continuity of their greed/culture?
tob
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Proud Cebuano said:
I doubt whether they had any clue where Spain was or those white visitors were from, much less have an understanding of “paz con Espana”. But they gave in…more than sheer stupidity, it was the power of the GUNPOWDER.
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I would say that you are a hatemonger, you hate all Filipinos.
tob
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Proud Cebuano said:
The Portuguese, as I mentioned were in the area since 1512 (9 years earlier than Magellan’s discovery of the PHilippines) BUT THEY WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN COLONIZING THE ISLANDS, ESPECIALLY THOSE THAT NOW BELONG TO INDONESIA. THEY TRIED FOR FIFTY YEARS BUT WERE REPULSED BY THE NATIVES.
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Indonesia gained its independence from Portugal after world war II.
Tirador
Kaibigang Tob and Proud Cebuano,
Mukhang interesting ang pinag-uusapan ninyo. Ano ba ang inyong basis sa inyong mga sinasabi or reference na ginagamit nyo? It seems all those are historical sources. If its from an officially recognized and reliable source, maganda yan. Kung sariling opinyon lang, okey din but we need more credibility. Its good if you would cite your sources para mas interesting di ba? Overall, masarap basahin ang palitan ng opinyon…tuloy tuloy lang.
tob
To Tirador:
Sa wakas, salamat at mayroon ding nagtanong kung ano ang mga sources ng mga pinag-uusapan natin dito.
Tungkol sa kwento ni Magellan, galing ito sa special na na-feature sa National Geographic. Tungkol sa colonization, iyong English translation ng letters between Legaspi and the Viceroy. Iyong iba, galing sa itinuro sa grade school bago binago lahat ni Marcos ang Philippine History.
Actually, my point in questioning Proud Cebuano’s allegations is that our history is totally messed up after Marcos changed everything. According to Marcos, our history is based on Western interpretations, therefore, faulty. Because of the racist Marcos historical point of view, we were forced to rely on other than Western sources in effect we were forced to accept the Bangsamoro and the Chinese interpretation of our history. As a result we made erroneous conclusions regarding our history wherein we classified historical figures as either villains or victims based on Marcos political propaganda.
My opinion is that no historical record will be free of errors since they usually have political objectives. What we can do is get verifiable history from global, and regional sources and determine what makes sense from all the facts. Based on what I’ve read, a lot of present day customs are very useful in understanding the written accounts. It is good to remember that our ancestors were not saints, they were also caught up in their little schemes. It is also good to remember that our culture is only a continuation of their culture.
I’ve read Proud Cebuano’s sources and I would say they’re very self-serving, and I see disturbing propaganda that intends to destabilize personal security in the region.
tob
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Addendum:
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One of the contradictions I noted in our historical interpretations is the implication that our culture is either Bangsamoro or Chinese and that the Hispanic culture is foreign. Based on my estimate of the time from the birth of Islam and the Islamization of the middle east, and southeast asia, the Bangsamoro would be barely 100 years old upon the arrival of the Magellan. That would make the hispanic culture longer than the Bangsamoro culture (300 years). Based on the Cebuano’s readiness to fight the Bangsamoro alongside Spain would indicate that they were not really that good roommates. Based on Spain’s written accounts and the their recurring coastal raids, the Bangsamoro were actually intolerable neighbors.
Regarding the Chinese influence, it is actually more during the Colonial times since it is only at that time that they were allowed to have communities in the islands.
Proud Cebuano
Tirador,
About Magellan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Magellan
About Indonesia:
http://www.asianinfo.org/asianinfo/indonesia/pro-history.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indonesia
THE PORTUGUESE IN INDONESIA
In their search for spices, the Portuguese arrived in Indonesia in 1511, after their conquest of the Islamic kingdom of Malacca on the Malay Peninsula. They were followed by the Spaniards. Both began to propagate Christianity and were most successful in Minahasa and Maluku, also known as the Moluccas.
The Sultan of Aceh in Sumatra, the Sultan of Demak in Java and the Sultan of Ternate in the Maluku islands joined forces in trying to ward off the Portuguese. At that time the power and sovereignty of Ternate sultanate was recognized by more than 72 islands, including the island of Timor. In 1570, the Portuguese succeeded in killing the Sultan of Ternate, Khairun. However, his successor, Sultan Baabullah, besieged the Portuguese fortress at Ternate. Baabullah then allied himself with the Dutch to further confront the Portuguese and Spaniards.
In 1651 the Dutch invaded Kupang in Western Timor. Despite the Dutch presence in Timor, the formal and precise definition of the territories controlled by the two colonial powers did not take place until more than 200 years after the Dutch conquest of Kupang. It was only on 20 April 1859, the Dutch concluded a treaty with Portugal to divide Timor into their respective control : The Dutch occupied the Western part and Portugal the eastern part of the island. From that time Portugal could secure a full control over East Timor until it left the region in 1975.
Proud Cebuano
Tob makes another DISTORTED HISTORICAL CLAIM (enough already, do some research, dude!) : “Indonesia gained its independence from Portugal after world war II.”
Indonesia gained independence from the briefly the Japanese who occupied the country in WWII and from prevailing DUTCh COLONIAL RULE, NOT THE PORTUGUESE:
http://sun.menloschool.org/~sportman/modernworld/chapter8/2005/dblock/gstrachan/
From Grant Strachan writing in Aug. 25, 1945:
“Indonesia, now an independent nation, has finally passed from colonial rule to independence. From the early 1800’s, the Dutch had controlled our country, and now it is finally ours.”
or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Indonesia
“By the early 20th century Dutch dominance extended to what was to become Indonesia’s current boundaries. The Japanese invasion and subsequent occupation during WWII ended Dutch rule, and encouraged the previously suppressed Indonesian independence movement. Two days after the surrender of Japan in August 1945, nationalist leader, Sukarno, declared independence and was appointed president…”
Now, Tob, why do you insist on giving the Portuguese such a dominant rule in the history of our neighbor when that’s simply flies in the face of the historical truth? It didn’t happen, ok?
AND WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH DOWNGRADING THE BANGSAMOROS AND DRAGGING THEM INTO EVERY DISCUSSION?
Come out with it…did you have any personal tragedy because of them? Maybe if you’ll tell us then we can sympathize with your cause. You only come off with rambling illogical arguments otherwise.
tob
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To Proud Cebuano blog 317 - historical sources.
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You really prove me right.
tob
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Proud Cebuano said:
Portugal could secure a full control over East Timor until it left the region in 1975.
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Sorry, my bad.
Beginning in 1602, the Dutch slowly established themselves as rulers of Indonesia, exploiting the weakness of the small kingdoms that had replaced that of Majapahit. The only exception was East Timor, which remained under Portugal’s control until 1975.
Why the fuss about Bangsamoro? I’ve been exposed to Marcos bagong lipunan propaganda, Bible Study Leftist propaganda, Chinese for Chinese propaganda, we all know the Japanese “Asia for Asians propaganda as their rational for WWII aggression, Estrada para sa Masa propaganda, even religious “prosperity gospel” propaganda and all the networking/multi-level marketing scams - you are definitely spewing Bangsamoro propaganda.
tirador
tob and proud cebuano
very interesting. talagang were a mixture of different races and cultures that has evolved overtime. but can we claim as individuals whats the most predominant race that runs in our blood? yan ang mahirap i-determine di ba? yung mga mestizo kitang-kita but yung mga kayumangging kaligatan, yun marahil ang talagang malay race. if you guys notice, kamukhang-kamukha natin ang mga indonesians and some malaysians. pero mahirap pa rin i-identify kung ano talaga ang dominanteng lahi ng bawat isang pinoy.
Concerned Muslim
McBoni said;
“inuulit ko ang tao san man lupalop nanggaling may mabuti may masama kaya wag mong sabihin na moro kaya hindi kayo mga manloloko”
Mag-ingat ka sa mga pinagsasabi mo. Ubod ka ng daldal at puro kabalbalan ang pinagsasabi mo. Huwag mo kaming subukang mga muslim baka ubusin ko lahi mo. Easy ka lang….
tirador
tob and proud cebuano,
i rely on wikipedia if i wanted to make a quickie research on anything just for the fun of it. i like it and its pretty straightforward. but is it true that it still need to be recognized as an official source of information or research material? i heard some schools or academic communities are starting to recognize wiki as an official source for research papers but im not sure if we can use it as a credible source knowing that wiki still have this disclaimer thing.
tob
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Tirador said:
if you guys notice, kamukhang-kamukha natin ang mga indonesians and some malaysians.
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I once attended a class half Indonesians, and half Filipinos, I’m sorry, one can really tell not based on appearance but more on impression.
If you’re a mixed race, it’s more of like a raffle - you get what you get, even after three generations - some traits just crop up. I know of someone who was Polish, Filipino, and Vietnamese who turned up looking like Indian. I know of another who was Indian, Spanish, Malay, and Aeta who turned out to look like Chinese - appearances really deceive.
tob
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Tirador said:
i like it and its pretty straightforward. but is it true that it still need to be recognized as an official source of information or research material?
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I was delighted when I first encountered wikipedia, for one, it is a democratic repository of knowledge. All information goes in without official editing hence nobody can deprive anybody of having their own version of facts put on record. It is good when searching for information, opinions, or ideas that might not be politically correct at the moment. However, it could also be used to air political propaganda. In my case, I use it to expand my opinion on things, but I verify information with well documented sources. Wikipedia posted an announcement that they will start editing entries but I think any editing will make it susceptible to be swayed by the editor’s opinion. I think wikipedia users should use their judgment regarding the information posted and do appropriate verifications. As the saying goes “ang maniwala sa sabi-sabi, walang bait na sarili.”
Mcboni
teka concerned muslim. easy ka lang mali ang pagkakaintindi mo. kung babasahin mo yung mga tunay sa entry ko ay malalaman mo na mali ang pagkakaintindi mo at walang basehan ang galit mo sakin. may isang luko luko kasi na gumagamit ng pangalan ko at siya ang may malaking galit sa mga muslim at mga moro at hindi ako yun.
magbasa ka muna at saka mo ko kausapin. at wag mo na ulit pagbabantaan ang lahi ko. dahil lalo lang natutuwa yung may galit sa inyo. yan mismong attitude na yan ang ipinangangalandakan niyang ugali nyo daw. di ako naniniwala na ganun kayo, pero sa kabila ng pagbabanta mo ay hindi kita papatulan dahil alam kong hindi mo lang nabasa yung mga nauna kong pinost.
nga pala, last entry ko na to. napilitan lang akong sumagot. sayang kasi ang galit mo na dahil lang sa mga taong mapanira at walang matinong magawa magkakaganyan ka.
Proud Cebuano
You know IT’S BETTER TO PROVIDE A LINK TO YOUR SOURCES (as I have done) OR BE MORE SPECIFIC WITH BASIS WHEN CHALLENGED FOR YOUR ARGUMENTATIVE CLAIMS:
Tob: “Tungkol sa kwento ni Magellan, galing ito sa special na na-feature sa National Geographic. Tungkol sa colonization, iyong English translation ng letters between Legaspi and the Viceroy. Iyong iba, galing sa itinuro sa grade school bago binago lahat ni Marcos ang Philippine History.”
1. National Geographic feature, which issue (MONTH/YEAR) and by whom?
2.Letters between Legaspi and the Viceroy translated in English from what book, author, etc.?
3. Other sources from grade school, IDENTIFY them and not just verbally whip them up as if we can read your mind, especially IF YOU CLAIM THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ALTERED BY MARCOS TO SUIT WHATEVER HISTORICAL AGENDA HE HAD.
And this business of accusing persons/groups of people (Japanese, etc., Chinese, Bangsamoros, who else), ONLINE RESOURCES LIKE WIKIPEDIA disseminating self-serving propaganda, WHAT IS YOUR BASIS FOR SUCH A CLAIM? Has there been an academic study/expose to lay it out they way your alleging? Give us proof(s)!!!
Your rumor-mongering is getting tired, Tob, why don’t you crawl back to your inane and insane world
*This is the end of my exchange with you as I see no intellectual interaction between us. Refrain from addressing me please.*
tob
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Proud Cebuano said:
You know IT’S BETTER TO PROVIDE A LINK TO YOUR SOURCES (as I have done) OR BE MORE SPECIFIC WITH BASIS WHEN CHALLENGED FOR YOUR ARGUMENTATIVE CLAIMS:
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This is the disclaimer made by wikipedia (which is your source):
“Because Wikipedia is an ongoing work to which, in principle, anybody can contribute, it differs from a paper-based reference source in important ways. In particular, older articles tend to be more comprehensive and balanced, while newer articles more frequently contain significant misinformation, unencyclopedic content, or vandalism. Users need to be aware of this to obtain valid information and avoid misinformation that has been recently added and not yet removed (see Researching with Wikipedia for more details). However, unlike a paper reference source, Wikipedia is continually updated, with the creation or updating of articles on topical events within seconds, minutes, or hours, rather than months or years for printed encyclopedias.” - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:About
Note, neither accuracy nor veracity was claimed, the words used were “comprehensive and balanced”.
This is a blog and not a research paper. I already told you my sources, do I have to spoon feed you? At least make an effort to find out about chronicles of Pigafetta, the letters of Legaspi, also read current events like the objectives of the Bangsamoro which was on the Inquirer about two months ago (expanded autonomous region negotiations). Also do not take texts at face value, think, if they make sense.
We’re actually not having intellectual interaction, I’m just challenging your propaganda. This is a blog, and you must be ready to defend your propaganda. I’m not saying that you stop your propaganda - just to defend it - with a valid reason and not by being a “war freak”.
Anyway you really have to provide your source for the following comment:
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Proud Cebuano said:
I doubt whether they had any clue where Spain was or those white visitors were from, much less have an understanding of “paz con Espana”. But they gave in…more than sheer stupidity, it was the power of the GUNPOWDER.
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Good luck!
Proud Cebuano
Why I’m PROUD:
Cebu is 4th best island in Asia for 2009!
http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view/20090831-222860/Cebu-is-4th-best-island-in-Asia-for-2009
See that, just by ourselves we are able to make an enviable mark in the world, where we will be known for our merits as people. If these accolades will go on, it won’t be long when we can shed the stigma of being Filipinos and raise our heads as CEBUANOS in the international communities.
More power to US! Kalami gyud paminawon
r .santos
to tob. thanks very much your too good mate, for me lahat ng say mo ay talagang tumatanin sa isipan ng bawat isa.from start to the last at talagang sinubaybayan ko ang inyong pag papaliwanagan dalawa ni proud c. at sa totoo lang ay napakaraming natutuhan about philippine history at iba pa patunkol kay jose rizal at kahit saan angle ay brilliant ang explaination mo sa lahat ng blog.even this 327. okey din naman si proud c. at may kasabihan na PARA KA MAGING GOOD LEADER KAILANGAN AY MAY MAGALING KANG OPPOSITION.iyan ay kayong dalawa ni proud c and you tob.i should say into my self i’m a filipino .but you tob,talagang by heart ang paging filipino mo. ang bigat mo man! paran akong nag aral uli ng philippine history. and your right wiki is a bulls.kahit sino puede magpalit ng nakalahad doon sa totoo lang.. sa akin palagay ay na checkmate mo. alam mo na? to proud c. he is good.let me congratulate both of you as professional blogger.maraning nakikinig at nagbabasa and i hope nagustuhan din ninyo.very interesting…. hangang sa hule racist parin si proud c. kita mo sabi niya pang apat na best iland sa asia ang cebu….eh..nasaan ba ang cebu diba na sa filipinas. ikaw talaga nakakatuwa ka proud c……have a nice day!!!!take care…bye
Jaime
Jose Rizal used spanish extensively, but he used it to further the interests of out motherland. It does not matter what language you use, but for what you use it for is the weightier question. You maybe a native caucasian american, but you are a true blue filipino if you push for the interests of the Philippines and the filipinos.
Moe
Yes! you can say that it’s a gift to speak another language fluently. When I left Cebu to the US, I don’t speak tagalog very well. In fact during those days few of my friends making fun of my tagalog because most of the words I used are from the textbook–some of them make a comment that my tagalog was deep. Learning a new language (American English and Tagalog the same time) is a challenge, hard to do and it’s quiet experience for me. However, we filipinos are good in everything we adapt to our new environment as fast than any foreigners, because we have the basic fundamental in life–sacrifice, patience, and most of all were hard working people.
Mike.dP
yes jaime i agree with you that it does not matter wathever language you use so long as you you do it for good reasons. But what can you say about filipinos using the english language! What is the general intention for this one? we have our own national language and yet we look upon the english language as our better tonge.
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