By Carlo Ople*
A lot of people used social media to condemn Hayden Kho for his actions, which
eventually led to a full-blown Senate hearing (not that I'm agreeing that we shoul
d have a Senate hearing for a sex scandal). Now his supporters are relying on S
ocial Media to support and defend him. I was given a link by a good friend thro
ugh Yahoo Messenger. Apparently, someone made a blog called "Give Hayde
n a Chance".
The first post entitled "Let's give Hayden a chance", already has 1
6 comments as of this writing. The site counter on the sidebar also shows that
around 400+ people have already dropped by the site. I'm guessing that it's onl
y a matter of time before the hundreds become thousands then maybe even million
s.
It's a bit annoying and amazing that this issue has been completely blown out o
f proportion. I fully support the women... but a Senate hearing for a sex scand
al? Shouldn't we be paying more attention to Swine Flu and the fact that there
are 14 confirmed cases already in the Philippines? I can understand social medi
a going "gaga" over the Hayden scandals because it's a human interest story but
for institutions to go as far as they have... man!
Carlo Ople is the main author of New Media Philippines, a blog that aims to help Filipinos maxim
ize and realize the potential of New Media. Apart from being a blogger, Carlo a
lso serves as a Marketing Manager for one of the leading online gaming companie
s in the Philippines. He is also a freelance digital marketing consultant and h
as worked with various politicians and business owners expand their reach and i
nfluence through the use of social media.
The first post entitled "Let's give Hayden a chance", already has 1
6 comments as of this writing. The site counter on the sidebar also shows that
around 400+ people have already dropped by the site. I'm guessing that it's onl
y a matter of time before the hundreds become thousands then maybe even million
s.
It's a bit annoying and amazing that this issue has been completely blown out o
f proportion. I fully support the women... but a Senate hearing for a sex scand
al? Shouldn't we be paying more attention to Swine Flu and the fact that there
are 14 confirmed cases already in the Philippines? I can understand social medi
a going "gaga" over the Hayden scandals because it's a human interest story but
for institutions to go as far as they have... man!
Carlo Ople is the main author of New Media Philippines, a blog that aims to help Filipinos maxim
ize and realize the potential of New Media. Apart from being a blogger, Carlo a
lso serves as a Marketing Manager for one of the leading online gaming companie
s in the Philippines. He is also a freelance digital marketing consultant and h
as worked with various politicians and business owners expand their reach and i
nfluence through the use of social media.

HAYDEN
YOU ARE BUT JUST A HUMAN BEING HAVENT YOU BEEN GIVEN DRUG BY A STUPID PERSON
YOU WONT HAVE THIS TRAUMA TODAY
YOU ARE YOUNG THE WORLD IS STILL YOURS
YOU CAN RECOVER
CHIA IOU ( MORE POWER IN MANDARIN )
KEEP ON THE FIGHT
WE ARE WITH YOU
why feast on this not-so-merry-go-round-circus by the highest juducial branch o
f govt (the senate of course, idiot) kindly tackle on a more serious issue. jus
t leave the showbiz issue please..........
Yes all of us need a chance to uplift our life no matter how worst you are in p
ublic.
this case of hayden kho is really nakakahiya. aside from him, i laargely blame
his legal team for those silly alibi: being psychotic and drugs. in other count
ries, hindi na tinatanggap ng mga lawyers ang ganitong kaso. they just leave th
e predator to be rehabilitated in jail. talagang hindi na talagang dapat pagtiw
alaan and mga abogado sa pinas. they (a lot of them) were trained to be liers.
many of them cannot argue their case. so, they resort to case fixing or resort
to extensive lies. if they behave this way, talagang hindi na titino and pilipi
no soceity.
Yeah give Hayden Kho a chance ... a chance to victimize more innocent and trust
ing young women.
I always believe to condemn on the sin and not the sinner. Di lang naman kasal
anan ni Dr. Hayden Kho ang nangyari, kung walang malalanding babae, it could no
t have happened too. Sino bang lalaki ang tumatanggi sa babaeng nag o-offer ng
kaligayahan sa kanila, maliban lang kung impotent sila. Too much has been sai
d against Dr. Hayden, he's been judged already. I know there are less of them,
the only thing was they used the media so much to sensationalized the issue. U
nfortunately, yung mga kumakampi kay Hayden was just in silent. I like Carlin
Aguilar in defense of Dr. Hayden, she's really a friend. Itong si Bong Revilla
and Lolit Solis are the two shreks who involved themselves too much not even r
ealizing that they are the least credible people to talk about the things that
tackles issues of culture and morality. Bong Revilla being a son of a well know
n womanizer, he's too has been involved with different celebrities given the fa
ct that he's married. Lolit Solis who had been convicted of a scam, different
libel suits, harbetera, mukhang pera. Di ko lang alam kung kelan ang karma dara
ting sa kanya, yung iba kasi maagang binibigyan ng Diyos, si Lolit mejo wala pa
ata. To Katrina Halili, if she should only had just keep her big mouth shut t
hen this mess could not have happened unless gusto nyang kumita ng pera. Seein
g the video myself, i cannot even recognize her since it was so dark in that ro
om. She can deny it and let the issue die in the long run. Take the example of
other women involved, they just keep quiet about it and see where are they now
? Di sila hinahabol ng media kasi di rin sila nagsasalita. Im sure they are sl
eeping soundly at night. For me, im only seeing two main reasons why Katrina w
ent to publicize this issue. First, she wants to get money out of this inciden
t. Second, galit sya kasi Hayden choses Vicky over her(naman, walang mapapala
sayo si hayden, kasi unfaithful ka rin sa boyfriend mo). Ginagamit masyado ni
Katrina ang media to gain sympathy, may paiyak iyak pa syang nalalaman in which
i can feel na drama lang talaga ang lahat ng yan. In my other post, im always
saying this na if ang katulong sa bahay kinuhaan ng sir nya ng sex video, sasam
a kaya si Bong Revilla sa NBI para tulungan? May Lolit Solis kayang magsasalita
? I DOUBT!!!!
put it this way: katrina hides a camera. then made passionate love with kho. th
en next thing you know, someone made millions by selling copies. question: sino
biktima? of course si kho. stupid mga pilipino. kaya hinde na tayo umasenso.
The person that really to blame is Katrina Halili, She knows that Hayden Kho is
into relationship and still had she elected to sleep with him. Also she knows
that Hayden Kho is doing a video on her on some ocassion, I think somehow she k
nows what is going on.
In this modern time, these things are already normal and nothing to ashamed of,
the senate people wanter only some advertisement for their coming 2010 electio
n this is the way our politicians are aiming for, saying it is in aid of legist
lation but actual it all tsismis like was is happening in the barbershop.
Let's give Dr. Hayden Kho a chance. He admits that he has committed a mistake a
nd he is sorry for what he has done. Anyway, everybody makes mistakes. As a par
ent, I'm so sad for what is happening to him because he is still very young and
I know that he has a brighter future ahead of him. I pray for him and especial
ly to his parents who are greatly affected by this challenges. To the parents,
just keep on praying that everything will be okey.
Can our respected senators focus their attention to more important problems of
the Philippines rather than wasting peoples money regarding this garbage scanda
l of two people who did fornication (which I think they both enjoyed their deed
s). In the past there are so many women who are victims of rape and sex videos
but no one cares, why suddenly our respected senators became so interested wit
h this issue (is it because election is coming soon?). Katrina was not force t
o do sex with Dr Kho it just so happened that it was videoed without her knowle
dged and as what Dr Kho said it was his peronal keeps, if no one had sex with h
im there will be no video right? and if no one uploaded it in the web there is
no scandal, so why not catch the people who spread the video. I think it is no
t only Dr Kho who is wrong but also the women (specially katrina) who did the f
ornication. Blame both of them and please to our respected senators do not wast
e the peoples money for this circus hearing in the senate, give this to the rig
ht government agency to handle the case. TO OUR RESPECTED SENATORS: PLEASE DO N
OT GIVE A REASON NOT TO VOTE YOU NEXT ELECTION!!!!!.
Dear Sir,
We've had enough of this! Stop wasting your time and effort reporting articles
related to Hayden Kho. Is your intelligence that hollow and limited that you ca
n no longer think of something interesting and decent to write?
Pinagtatawanan na kami dito sa Dubai dahil sa maliit ninyong utak.Tigilan nyo n
a yan. Let the cops handle it. Ang hindi namin maintindihan ay bakit pati senad
o ay nakiki-involve sa scandal na ito? They even alotted a session for this. Na
paka-stupido talaga!
Mag-improve naman kayong mga Pinoy diyan sa Pilipinas.
I would appreciate it if you could pass this to those dickhead politicians at t
he senate.
From a patriotic Filipino,
Julio
Give Hayden a change? To what? To exploit more women? If the videos were taken
with consent of the women involved then good for them. But the way it was take
n was just plain treachery. If you listen carefully the video with Katrina you
can clearly hear the sound of something like a paper bag used to hide the camer
a. Same is with the video with Maricar. The video with the brazilian girl was
not positioned very well as the girl was already entering and Kho have no time
to point it directly on the bed.
Whether the spread of the video was made by Kho himself or not is immaterial.
The fact that he took it without permission is already an act of savagery. The
alibi that it's for his personnal use only is bullshit. If he wants to take v
ideos for his own use then let him take video of himself only in whatever posit
ion he may want. In that case whatever will happen to the data if ever it will
be stolen and uploaded over the net, nobody would be hurt except himself.
Don't give Hayden any chance. Let that bloody leach and user bitch suffer for
his actions.
As for the senate hearing especially with Revilla spearheading - it's just anot
her media blitz by same dog. His barking on his own kind. Katrina should have
approached a more honorable senators if she really wants senate attention. Que
stion is - is there anybody there "honorable". Yes, to easiest way to get atte
ntion is to go to the senate. While the Philippine movie industry is dying, we
have a booming senate entertainment house.
Katrina should have learned a lesson not to *f--- just anybody around.
whoever created this "give hayden a chance blog" should go to hell too....maram
i sa ating pilipino ang bugok!. ...trust me, pag sumikat itong si hayden kho be
cause of this blog site he will become a senator too like trillanes. you see,
we deserve the kind of government we have because of our own stupidity.
you too is even going gaga over this issue, making it more saucy!!! darnnn!!!
leave it now, kho is guilty, then strip him with his license and put him to jai
l, done the case..closed!
i can't blame hyden alone if he has gone that far.he's a man and i understand h
is feelings and shortcomings. the fact is miss katrina halili should be the cul
prit as well because she should know better than that before going to that kind
of trap.its purely lust and no respect.out of delicadeza per se.so stop blamin
g hyden alone it should be both of them. they are two matured consenting adults
and they are responsible for their respective actions.stop pointing others fau
lts....both of you did it and thats it.period!
Well maybe he deserve a 2nd chance, but wait a minute, after 40 girls who were
sexually abused and maligned by this animal for the world to see......No I don'
t think so! Take away his license so that animal like him will think twice befo
re they abuse women! Incarcerate him too!
Is this moderated?
I thought so. Then who is the moderator?
I couldn't agree more!
It's indeed very disappointing to know that the government people have enough t
ime to squander unwisely within the walls of the office, trying to "decipher" t
he mysteries of the video, while the big country outside is suffering because o
f the weight of the economic downfall. Not to mention, these problems exacerbat
ed by the swine flu. It will surprise me and many if by "working" with this vid
eo, they could actually help improve the economy and lead us to progress, and t
hat every minute spent with that video lessens the victims of swine flu.
People actually pay colossal amounts of tax for the government people namely, t
he senate, the congress, etc. to make laws, statutes, that will benefit all and
help develop this country. I just hope they'd realize that soon...
Hopefully this case will get fixed as soon as possible. It's a wonder though, w
hat happened to the Ted Failon case? :)
no
you're a hayden supporter too I bet
Everybody is entitled to their own opinion so if they want to give Hyden a chan
ce then let them do it. I don't care if they want to give Ferdinand Marcos or E
rap a chance.
Infairness,i believe that we should give Dr. Kho a chance, he may recorded his
private doings not in a purpose to show it in a public but to kept it in privat
e, with our generation today of modern gadgets, that practice of recording priv
ate acts is not unusual anymore, if we will look at the issue we may say that D
r. Kho is a victim as well, if he can proved that it was not his intention to s
how it to everyone..if there is one liable it should be the one who posted that
video in public without his consent or the one who snatched the video from him
..LET US NOT PLAY THAT EACH ONE OF US IS CLEAN..
Yes, let give Hayden a chance to go to jail and contemplate his sin. Lets give
him a chance for his anus to be explored by jail birds as he violated other wom
en. Lets give him a chance to say sorry for those he violated and suffer in jai
l for his sins. Lets give him a chance to find remorse and blame himself instea
d of others.
Yes, there are a lot of issues that needs our attention, but this doesn't him w
ell turn a blind eye to Hayden's crime. I think he should rot in jail to set an
example and to serve as a deterrence to others. We should respect women and no
t make them our tool.
Hayden your a disgrace to nation and to our profession. You do not deserve to b
e called a doctor and should be strip your title. You should rot in jail
We won't be having this article was it not media's coverage of the hearing, or
better yet, if we don't have the Senate investigating something that even 10 ye
ar old are sane enough to understand. Because of media's relentless effort to
scoop on every juicy tiny detail of the scandal, it is more like a show of moro
ns, who's a better moron - jinggoy, bong, katrina or hayden. The first three a
re runaway winners. I have no sympathy for hayden nor katrina but the better v
enue should have been the court not the senate. My speculation was if Katrina
is serious about her charges, she will be in court but she didn't instead she d
eclare to the whole senate that she was "binaboy" by hayden. In truth, she was
taken advantage by the senators who were trying to ride the bandwagon of her p
ublicized sex video at the expense of other people.
Now, give hayden a chance! I would say he needs psychiatric help besides a ment
al check. But it doesn't mean he will be absolved of his crime. No. As a cli
nical psychologist, I can see an extreme form of behavioral and sexual problem
in hayden's which might have been triggered when he started taking pleasure e
nhancing drugs. But, yeah give him a chance to defend and rehabilitate himself
and maybe start a new life. In this case, everybody were victims of circumsta
nces and should all needs sympathy from people.
Carol, Orlando, Florida
I agree. I think the senate just wanted to see the videos themselves.
Crazy way to spend senate hours.
Am I reading or understanding what you guys are telling correctly? Getting the
issue to a senate hearing does not make the act/s of Kho less evil. Media (prin
t, TV, internet etc.) in the first place was responsible for making the issue a
front page topic. With the election drawing nearer, politicians can't take the
ir hands off this golden opportunity. What I want to hear or know is what will
happen to Kho? Is he criminally liable? Where is the proper forum for this kind
of situation or incident? Who was responsible for the video being aired on You
Tube and is being sold (pirated copies I suppose) in the streets. In the meant
ime, we all would just have to cover our ears or close our eyes when a congress
man or senator or any public official for that matter gives his/her comments wh
ich the ordinary Pinoy wouldn't care anyway.
I don't think Katrina Halili was that innocent and I believed she knows what sh
e's doing.
I don't think she was that naived. They should look for the person who profited
from this sex video and catch the master mind who released it.
This should be tried in THE COURT OF LAW not in the Senate. These Senators it s
eems just want to be in the SPOTLIGHT especially when they asked question it sh
ow their intelligence was below par and I don't think they have experience whe
n it comes to law. This need to be done in Court presided by the judge and wit
h the jury plus they are endangering the life of the defendant family asking th
e defendant to tell who was the drug lord what were they thinking.
Hayden Kho did a wrong thing but he was remorseful for what he did. I don't thi
nk Hayden Kho will have a fair trial for he was already found guilty by the med
ia and public opion. That won't happen here in the U.S. It's a mockery of justi
ce. They are both victims here.
Senator Revilla should have not include himself in the panel for he already mad
e a statement before.
How did this Senator Revilla become a senator and the rest in the panel. I was
just really shocked with their intelligence.
I hope Filipino people should think hard on the next election and check their q
ualification and inteligence and don't just elect someone because they are pop
ular.
Kawawa naman ang Bayan kong gayan ang mga Senator natin. It just break my heart
.
Criminal charges can not prosper against Hayden Kho. The sex video can not be u
sed as evidence against him because it was illegally obtained.
Dr. Kho's only worry is that he may lose his license as a medical practitioner.
Time heals. Before the year ends, I'm sure everything will be forgotten.
i don;'t think he deserves a second chance.... hayden is not human, he's an ani
mal!
he may tell that katrina gave her drugs before things happen, but what about th
e othyer ladies? do they give hayden drugs too before going to bed??????
Hayden should really be given a another chance! Everything had been thrown on
him. I hope that people would also think that its also part of women's fault, g
inusto nilang gawin yon. To Ms. Katrina, well she is in the right frame of mi
nd and of age, she is a consenting adult when she get involved and she is a thi
rd party. Dapat di sya pumatol, she knows that Hayden is involved with Vicky in
the first place. Women should also take the blame!
100% Agree!! And this also SAYS A LOT on the priorities of the CHAIRWOMAN headi
ng the hearing.
i think like many others, you're missing the point of the Senate investigation.
It's not the sex scandal per se, but the effect on the public of "pornographic
" private videos, which even young people can access quickly on the Internet, i
f not from sidewalk DVD vendors. The HK scandal has brought to fore the need fo
r a cyberporn law, which I've read in the news has been pending in the lawmaker
s' desk. I mean like without penalties and even preventive measures, just about
anyone can brazenly upload/download supposedly private intimate videos that co
uld decidedly destroy lives, especially if the features person(s) didn't know t
hey were being filmed and/or didn't give their consent to the uploading/reprodu
ction/distribution of those videos.
LOL...astig din nakaisip ng blog na yan ha
What chance? To direct another sex video?
The fact is that there is no law that directly addresses the the making and dis
tribution of sex videos, especially in those cases where one of the parties did
not consent to the taking of the video in the very first place. As such, the
senate investigation in this case may be one of those few cases where investiga
tion-in-aid-of legislation is truly justified.
Yes, Congress should also look at better ways to make institutionalized respons
es for epidemics. But that is a different issue.
That's true. Give a Chance. Nobody is perfect except Bong Revilla that he did n
ot commit sin.
Congrat's Bong Revilla, dahil ginagamit molang itong issue para magkaroon ka la
ng ng trabaho sa senado.
When the hayden-halili scandal was blown-out of proportion, i didn't know if i
would feel happy because actions have been done against women abuse; irritated
because the politicians and even other celebrities are taking the ride to anoth
er higher level of popularity; sad because most of us are missing the original
sin in this issue. Dr. Belo's moral of the story is "wag mang-agaw ng boyfrien
d". Bong Revilla is singing more on the tune of "if you want to do a sex scand
al, don't publish it or don't even try doing it without the consent of your par
tner; you are a pervert if you do so". But i never heard anybody crying becaus
e our "dalagang filipinas" are now taking the shoes of liberated western ladies
. Premarital sex is now accepted in our society. Maybe im just trapped in 197
0s. Maybe i should go out more, huh.
On Hayden: Hayden's cirmes are really private, he did not seek permission from
the women he had sex with to tape them on video. Otherwise, their affairs are v
ery private matters which was really none of anybody's business but theirs. Se
x acts are nothing but wholesomely aesthetic to watch, thus, done in the privac
y of the room with doors locked,curtains drawn, and lights off. Because couples
, both married and unmarried, engage in lustful, kinky, pleasurable sex that sh
ould make them look like baboys as Katrina and Bong revilla pointed out. And it
's perfectly normal for the couple to enjoy each other, to be all over each oth
er, right? If hayden chooses to videotape them for his own private weird fetis
h, that's his business, and he was able to keep them from the public eye for 2
years which in fairness to him, means he never intended them for the public eye
to see. He, as well as the women he betrayed by not asking permission, is a vi
ctim of betrayal by friends, who committed the crime of uploading something pri
vate into the internet for the world to see.
PMA and PRC should also summon Bistek for an investigation and his license shou
ld be revoked as well, because he along with Chua, committed a graver crime in
uploading these videos irresponsibly for hte whole world to see.Theirs was the
much bigger crime because it had malice and the intent to destroy Hayden.
Sen Bong Revilla, please shut up! A womanizer should never accuse another woman
izer of being a pervert of hte highest order, nanira ng dangal, trust. all of w
ho you are too! Sinira mo rin ang dangal ng asawa mo, trust nya. Pervert ka din
kaya ga marami kang babae, at laging umiiyak asawa mo sa pambababae mo, me na
ka ka pa nga sa labas di ba? You only differ with Hayden in that your sexual ac
ts with other women were not videotaped. But they contain the same elements of
womanizing. and womanizing always always involves lies, betrayal, lust, sex, i
nfidelity. What's new? In any profession, you find them all. you can't moralize
, because you have no moral authority to do so. It's just making you one hypocr
ite of the highest order.
I agree with Vicky Belo. Women should be careful. and women should not enter i
nto a relationship with men who are spoken for no matter what pambobola they sa
y to twist you round their fingers. Triangular relationships are burdensome, w
rong, mali, masakit, pangit, mali at mali pa rin, whatever angle you look at th
em.
Lolit Solis: what remorse is still lacking in hayden? He appeared at the senate
, appeared at Pedea, appeared at PMA, voluntarily having his license revoked? p
romising to do civic works, medical missions? Isn't that humility? facing up to
the consequences of his wrong actions? owning up to them? isa ka ring hypocrit
e.
Jamby Madrigal: You were right when you said hayden's crimes were private, the
bigger crimes were the uploading of those videos.
Go Bong.. dont forget our date later.. Crucify mo muna si Hayden.. then later..
you can crucify me in bed with your 9"nail. wahahaha
Hayden made a mistake for recording the videos and he is aware of that but not
the intention of showing it in public. I can see that he is a good person. Let
's face it, we're all humans and we all make mistakes. I believe that he deser
ves a second chance.
Well Hayden I just hope that you learn your lesson from your mistakes. Be stron
g and someday you'll be a better person.
Let us just support Sen. Bong in investigating the case. Madami naman syang nag
agawa sa senado, mag research lang tayo..
The issue here is about the sex video,
nothing more. Bakit binabatikos si Sen. Bong?? Sya na nga tong tumutulong sya p
a yung sinisiraan. Trabaho ng mambabatas na mag imbestiga, suportahan na lang n
atin yung mga senador na tumutulong sa bayan tulad ni Sen. Bong.!!!!
Dapat respetuhin natin ang mga kababaihan, hindi tama yung ginawa ni Hayden na
ikalat pa yung video.!!
Dapat kay Hayden ikulong na!!!
Bilib ako kay Sen. Revilla sa pagtulong na ginagawa nya sa mga naging biktima..
Keep up the good work Senator Bong!!!
sana madami ka pang matulungan..
Naiinis talaga ako dyan kay Hayden!! Bastos talaga!! Hindi na dapat bigyan ng p
agkakataon yan, marami pang mabibiktima yang doktor na yan kung hindi pa ikukul
ong!!!! Turuan na ng leksyon ang mga ganyang tao..!!!
Hindi naman ginagamit ni Sen. Revilla ang issue para magkaron ng trabaho sa sen
ado. In fact, kung magsesearch tayo sa net madami tayong makikitang batas na na
ipasa na ni Senator Revilla.
He's doing his job well, huwag ng siraan ang taong tumutulong sa bayan at madam
ing nagagawang batas.
Ang batikusin natin ay yung ibang pulitikong nangungurakot.!
I know all of us has a distinct opinion. however we should be responsible and b
e discreet for all the words that comes from our mouth because they will play a
very essential part specially if your a blogger..
and please do not be susceptible about the issue. the issue hir are hayden and
halili im just wondering why you people like to involved such name particulary
"Sen. Bong Revilla"?
Tama ka don patrick..
Madaming nagawang batas si Senator Bong. Nabasa ko din sa site nya yung mga bil
ls na naipasa na nya.
Tsaka bakit lumalayo pala ang usapan sa issue?? Di ba ang kaso dito ay yung kal
okohang ginawa ni Hayden.
Dapat dyan kay Hayden tanggalan na ng lisensya, doktor pa naman din pero parang
walang pinag aralan!
I know all of us has a distinct opinion. however we should be responsible and b
e discreet for all the words that comes from our mouth because they will play a
very essential part specially if your a blogger..
and please do not be susceptible about the issue. the issue hir are hayden and
halili im just wondering why you people like to involved such name particulary
"Sen. Bong Revilla"??
I know all of us has a distinct opinion. however we should be responsible and b
e discreet for all the words that comes from our mouth because they will play a
very essential part specially if your a blogger..
and please do not be susceptible about the issue. the issue hir are hayden and
halili im just wondering why you people like to involved such name particulary
"Sen. Bong Revilla"???
I know all of us has a distinct opinion. however we should be responsible and b
e discreet for all the words that comes from our mouth because they will play a
very essential part specially if your a blogger..
and please do not be susceptible about the issue. the issue hir are hayden and
halili im just wondering why you people like to involved such name particulary
"Sen. Bong Revilla"????