Virtual Rallies and Cyberactivism vs Con Ass

tama un bro... mga poltiko tanga minsan... kala nila kesyo natahimik lang ang
taong bayan oklang ... wag nila kme hamunin... baka makatikim sila ng hinahanp
nila... they are there to represent the people not themselves alone.... nagigi
bng puppet na mga un eh... asan ba ang nationalism sa gingwa nila... mas pabor
pa ata sila sa mga balak ng amerika eh.... pls check out if the politicians ar
e involved in masonry and illuminati groups and for sure that would explain it.
.. hope i have given my part as a filipino for my beloved nation... more power
to responsible media.. God bless

soo true!! and besides.. there's a very big chance that you might get hurt in a
real life rallies ^^

So, how exactly will virtual rallies stop Charter Change and eventually force G
MA to step down?

You make valid points about the virtual rally. However, you also failed to give
your readers a better perspective.

About 28,000 signed-up for the cause in Facebook. That might seem bigger than t
he 6,000 warm bodies that physically went to the venue.

Yet, you forgot to mention that there are 2,243,960 Filipinos are on Facebook.
That is just about 1% of the total Facebook population in the Philippines. Sinc
e you stress that there is no barrier to joining an online rally, it means the
silent majority (98%) which did not sign up for the cause agreed for ConAss.

We can therefore conclude that majority of Filipinos are for ConAss and not aga
inst it.

Yes, indeed, more people responded to the Con-Ass in the cyberspace. In fact,
I first saw the news about it through a Youtube posted at Maharlikan Times webs
ite.

Here's the link: www.maharlikantimes.com

you can see the banner of con ass at the right side..

this only goes to show that many filipinos are not apathetic. even those who ar
e tech-savvy, working in comfortable air-conditioned offices are also socially
aware as can be proven by the participation of many in cyber rallies. i do agre
e that online socio-political participation is more convenient but i think it i
s weaker compared to a physical rally. online rallies can also be easily faked
by simply signing up several times.

Ralloes are no longer effective because the people leading them are just as bul
ok as those in power.

As one of those who responded to the call to stop Con-Ass; and still responding
. I am not discourage to continue expressing my opinion against Con-Ass.

Hay nako , yang mga Rally na yan ay Rally ng mga Politiko di naman taalga para
sa masang Pilipino yan.Kagi nalang tayong ginagamit ng mga yan . Di na tayo na
dala sa mga pang loloko ng mga yan , lalo na ung mga mahihirap talga na binabay
aran lang para sumama.

I guess you are only counting the protest in makati which btw is only one venue
where anti con-ass rally was held.

please note that there were also rallies held outside of mm and if you were say
ing that the makati rally was 'the figure', then you are mistaken and you are p
osting here a misleading information - metro manila is not the Philippines!

you are correct though that 15,000 is not representative of the majority of the
Filipino people simply because, again, i will repeat, makati or metro manila f
or that matter is not the philippines.

Con-Ass â what next?

Society writ large is set on the speculative mood. No one knows for ce
rtain what day 27th of July 2009 would be like when the President delivers her
9th State of the Nation Address. Rumors abound that a huge street rally will b
e launched anywhere near Batasan Complex where the joint session of House and S
enate will be held. Or, sometime within the day, the House convenes as a Const
ituent Assembly even if only a single soul from the Senate will join the pseudo
-constitutional ritual. Worst, rather than satisfying the prescribed ¾ votes
of members of Congress, it will go through viva voce, again. In what Bernas sa
ys is a clear case of desperation, the House appears indicatively bound by the
pecking order from Malacanang â to convene as Con-Ass and amend or revise the C
onstitution thereafter. And it appears that the first order of business is the
shift from a presidential form of government to a parliamentary system. When
this is done, as the conspiracy theory goes, GMA can then go around the constit
utional ban on seeking another term.

Then the plot thickens.

On one end of the scale, here we find GMAâs COMELEC lawyer Atty. Makali
ntal stating categorically that GMA will rather take care of her grandchildren
after her term come 2010 and that people has nothing to be afraid of since this
Con-Ass will no longer push through for lack of material time. Makalintal say
s that it takes at least a year for the COMELEC to hold the plebiscite and the
intervening period for information drive is required so Con-Ass could be public
ly debated upon. Thus, hearing another speculation opposite of what Makalintal
is saying might reduce the whole Makalintalâs claim as a sort of a âdecoyâ cal
ibrated or skillfully thought to doze off water from a burning issue that fans
the flames of hatred from many quarters of society. In other words, there can
be a kind of anesthetic effect if people tend to believe that GMA will not opt
to be the next Prime Minister under a new Constitution as well as under a new f
orm of government â a Parliament.

Is it waiting game?

The âbalance of powerâ seems to crystallize. GMA must be most afraid t
o be slapped with all the charges as are those contained in the articles of imp
eachment that were eclipsed by an earlier move from a pseudo petitioner who tur
ns out to be her political ally just so to âviolateâ the constitutional require
ment that only one impeachment case should be filed against the president. In
other words, GMA does not want to give up on constitutionally availing immunity
from suits after her official watch, hence her option for a term extension â b
y changing the rules of the game, as if it were. Just when at first, president
ial authority has just been handed down to her with the rationalized ouster of
Erap; and thereafter allowed to run for president after consuming the unexpired
term of her predecessor in a 2004 election marred with the âhello Garci scamâ;
on to the third such opportunity to be president or prime minister in perpetui
ty by â âoperation of lawâ â these, all told, must have given GMA all the luck
in the world.

Who is next to rule over RP? This might just be the $6 million dollar
question.

Perhaps, there must have been an earlier firm commitment by this govern
ment to give in to the pressing demand of the 27 or so states of the European U
nion for the country to open its doors for foreign acquisition or ownership of
lands by relaxing if not totally removing certain constitutional restraints sti
pulated in the present Constitution. This issue alone invites brewing discussi
on and debate given its far-reaching implications. If foreigners or foreign mu
ltinational corporations can already acquire lands without certain imposed limi
ts or restraints, chances are, prime real estate properties will soon belong to
foreign nationals and entities to our own collective peril. Something must
operate around an obvious âscheme of fraudâ somewhere, we have to think.

Will someone tell us what the next 6 years will be for our country and
our people?

I viewed the You Tube video of "No to Con-Ass" rally uploaded by GMA7. Newscast
er Mike Enriquez asked some rallyists what they know of Con-Ass. It was shockin
g that no one gave a correct answer from all those interviewed who were matured
people. Some even looked like college graduates.

I said shocking because the whole world could see that Filipinos are acting lik
e parrots by joining rallies and shouting words they don't even understand. Thi
s is very embarassing. Ok lang kung wala tayo sa internet.

Naglagay din akong comments sa ibang videos. Pinagmumura ako ng mga anti Con-As
s sa kanilang reactions. I gave them educated responses na walang halong mura.
In fact naawa pa nga ako sa kanila kasi nagmukha silang walang alam. One even a
ccused me of being a communist just because I'm pro Con-Ass. Tumahimik siya whe
n I asked if he's aware that the 1987 Constitution opened the door for the comm
unists to join the government.

I had no intention to under-estimate them. But I had to upload my responses to
them to let others realize that a little learning is a dangerous thing. If you
cannot defend your point huwag ka na lang magmura sa kapwa komo iba ang kanyang
paniniwala. Hindi ka kasi sigurado kung ikaw pala ang lalabas na bobo later on
.

Whether you're pro or anti Con-Ass, it's better that you really know the entire
process of charter amendment. And don't get influenced by speeches of canditat
es in 2010 elections. A lot of them are diverting the true issues just to get f
ree media mileage.

I am pro Con-Ass because this will give me the chance to say NO or YES to each
proposed charter change that will be in my ballot during the plebiscite. If one
proposal says term extension, NO ako. If another proposal says change to parli
amentary system of government, NO uli ako. If the next proposal is about change
that will lead to make our country a heaven of foreigh investors, definitely Y
ES ako para dumami ang Pilipinong may trabaho.

Tayong mamamayan pa rin ang may final say, hindi ang mga senador, house reps, 2
010 candidates o mga nagmamagaling na elitista na may kanya-kanyang vested inte
rest.

@Dax

I dont know if you are STUPID or just DUMB

According to the news, they officially estimated the no. of participants to 10,
000.

However, both police and GMA7/ABS-CBN failed to include in their population (5,
000/ 10,000) the nos. of supporters inside their office buildings who indirectl
y participated in the rally by throwing confetti because they have works to att
end to. Like I, for example, was able to join at around past 6pm already after
office hours.

Mine, along with those of others' presence who Indirectly participated [inside
their offices] should also be counted.

Alam ninyo sa tutuo lang yang mga DATUS na yan lahat naman yan alang tutuo jan
, malalaman lang yan kung iisaisahin ninyo kung ilan talga ang nakarating jan L
ahat naman yan ay Propaganda ng bawat isang partido . ang talo diyan ay tayong
mga PILIPINO nililiko lang tayo niya.
Sa tutuo lang mahigit Kalahati ng pumunta naman dun ay di alam kung bakit sila
nanadun , o kaya di alam kung ano ang CON ASS nayan? Di ba aminin ninyo .
Meron bang nag paliwanag sa mga sumamaduon kung ano pinag lalaban nila e karami
han s hinakot lang naman at may pakain at konting Pakimkim sila Aminin natin ya
n tutuo kasi naman tlaga.
Papano maiintindihan ng MARALITANG PILIPINO naman yan kung sa inglis yan [inag
dedebatihan , Bakit di kasi gamitin natin ang sariling wika natin ha? Puro kasi
tayo nag papacute e di nman tayo mga tatakbo sa 2010 .
Para sa akin dapat lang na sana pag pinag usapan ang Con Ass na yan ay ipaliwan
ang sa Tagalog kasi gagamitin naman natin yan sa PILIPINAS di naman sa Ibang Ba
nsa di ba? ultimo sa mga artikulo dito pagandahan kayo ng INGLIS pero kayo bay
matatawang na PILIPINO Ha ? mag isip kayo naman ng ung mga maralitang PILIPINO
ay maintindihan ang pinag uusapan ninyo dito nakakahiya tayong lhat sa tutuo la
ng .

87,000 and still growing http://apps.facebook.com/causes/293075/47285775?m=42fa
2097

The 1% Filipinos who signed in anti ConAss in Facebook are people who are alre
ady awaken, progressives and politically motivated. I think it was so stupid to
assumed that the rest who didn't sign the petition online are pro ConAss. Also
a lot of Fiilipino immigrants who signed are incapable to join the street rall
y. A lot of my colleagues are anti conAss but didn't yet sign up, though they
do believe that this cause was very important. Some people though highly educat
ed have very poor assesment in some issues. Tuloy ang laban!!

Yup, you make valid points.

Cyber activism is still passive in whatever way. Your one day pay-check is more
important to the millions of filipinos who have no jobs, no food, couldn't go
to school, couldn't go abroad, harassed by military agents because of their pri
nciples, who are dying everyday? It's part of information dissemination but rea
l sacrifice still counts.

and for cesar

"Ralloes are no longer effective because the people leading them are just as bu
lok as those in power."

siguro namali ka ng sinamahang organizations. Wag mo igeneralize ang lahat ng o
rganizations. Kung pessimist ka forever, siguro maslalala pa ang mundo ngayon.

Sometimes hostage-taking is more effective than rallies.

How do you make cyberactivism more effective?

@Cesar
This is why corrupt politicians continue to rob this country blind. Apathy is a
s worse as what they're doing.

Instead of assessing whether the author has some valid points or not, you dismi
ss rallies altogether.

Good analysis Dax........

Why they are afraid changing the constitution?

They are saying GMA is not popular, she's a lame duck...all bad things have be
en charged to her....even it wasn't her fault.... The media will always say th
e mayor or congressman ""belongs to GMA"....committed corruption....The guy "wh
o is friend of GMA "commits....

If she no longer popular why do you afraid if she runs in congress? Why are you
afraid if there will be a term extension .....di wag nyo sya iboto...

I believe many Filipinos would like to be involve, either in physical or virtua
l rallies. The numbers we see now would multiply more on the virtual/online ral
lies as it is more convenient and fast in pushing for a cause. Remember that si
ngle droplets of water that goes up could come back as a hurricane. WAKE UP SIL
ENT MAJORITY!

ght-online/
As a political science student, i am concerned of what is happining today. Con-
ass is not the solution to the main problem which we encountered rather for mor
e sufferings. I am against to con-ass simply because it is doubtful, thereâs no
exact provision of the constitution which is to be ammended. The Congress pass
ed it in rush and violate the bicameral nature of congress because they made it
a senateless. One of the objective of con-ass is to kill our democracy because
our government will be changed to parliamentary. the democracy we enjoyed toda
y is because of our heroes who fought for it. Stop Con-ass, Defend Demcocracy.!

And the number of 28,000 who signed up for that cause in facebook can also be n
ot that accurate, given the ease of clicking the 'join' button to express his/h
er support for this cause, may not equate to legitimate support of the cause. J
ust clicking on it without giving a thought either just to satisfy the other pe
rson who invited him/her to join this cause, or it's just that the user is not
taking this cause seriously or he's just riding on the bandwagon of antagonism.
The legitimate number of those people supporting this cause can get even small
er.

i think what is more impt. is when we internalize/ incorporate to our lives the
values that we like for our gov't. to change to..... i always believe that act
ion speak louder than words. cyberprotest wil only be effective if there is act
ion attached to it. The question is wether or not, how much we are willing to s
acrifice for our country.... you tell me.....

Physical rallies or cyber rallies against Con-Ass are just waste of time, effor
t and money.
These rallyists are called activists.
These activists are just one segment of society.
These rallyists/activists are good only in one side of an issue which is agains
t Con-Ass.
What we always see are those who only oppose, how about those who go for Con-As
s.
Let us not be blinded by this anti-Con Ass activists, they are not the true sen
timents and feelings of the people.

The true feeling of the people are those that don't participate, those who are
called silent majority, who are tired and bored of this rallies against the gov
ernment.
The government cannot function and cannot do the job because of this nonsense a
nd useless rallies.

Phsical or cyber rallies are not effective in this time of global economic rall
ies.

With all due respect to each one of us. Please allow me to express that I'm a P
ro Con-Ass. Each of us have our reasons why and we should respect. If we have a
different views we are free to express but i hope the respect should not be om
itted. Mabuhay po tayong lahat. Lahat tayo hangad ang tagumpay ng ating bansa.

I'm sorry but this article rings hollow to me. The author has totally misunder
stood what "activism" stands for (be it cyber or otherwise). Cyberactivism as
this article puts it, is a lot like wanting to play basketball for excercise on
ly that you're doing it on Xbox rather than on a real court.

Activism is about visibility, about getting media coverage to put your message
across. You can blog all your time away and converge all you tens-of-thousands
-of-cyberactivist-onto-one-facebook-account and you will still not be able to g
et half a sentece of your message mentioned on any media outlet. Not only that
, but didn't you stop to think for a moment that you can never get your message
past the like-minded 10,000 who have signed up on the same facebook account?
So how on earth can you ever hope to convince others to join your cause, let al
one initiate change? Now, compare that to a sizeable "physical" rally of real
(not cyber) activists whose slogans, banners and speeches resonates across whol
e population.

I suspect that the reason why people go "cyberactivising" (if there's such a wo
rd) is to placate their conscience - they genuinely want change but can't seem
to spare the time necessary to go out and fight for it in a physical sense.

Tell you what guys, its not gonna work. So get yourselves out there the next t
ime a rally is mounted. I'll tell you there's nothing like the real mccoy. Fo
r one the sense fullfillment will be absolutely electric, the pride you feel se
cond to none. And if eventually you find that "real" activism is not to your l
iking, at least you wouldn't be spending the rest of your life wondering how th
e real thing actually felt like.

Agreed with Homer, online polls can easily be faked, unlike rallies which requi
res physical attendance. Even if a person that attends a rally is just being pa
id to go there, still its one citizen of country. I think Filipinos have learne
d from their experiences that not all rallies should be attended.

I'd like to believe that the one that started the FB anti con-ass cause was pre
sent in the Makati rally. Just like any media, cyber-based activism is but an A
LTERNATIVE form of informing the people and redressing grievances to whoever it
may concern. But as a REPLACEMENT, well, warm bodies still count. Yes it gaine
d much popularity and following, but at the current system of pushing for a cau
se or interest, a collective and nominal indignation is still the best option t
o pressure the government. it is easy for us to undermine rallies without think
ing that we are enjoying the fruits of freedom, that is availing of FB or hi-te
ch gadgets, thru a people's revolution. that is to say that people power in wa
rm bodies is still the way to go. the more ideal option is to join rallies with
your laptop and broadband with you.

The real import of online participation is information sharing. But to make it
a substitute for collective action on the ground is misguided, and downright ir
responsible.

We cannot pit one form over the other. I believe that both complement each othe
r, and must go hand-in-hand. Online activism spreads information, and it is use
d as a tool to educate. Physical presence through rallies and other forms of co
llective action consolidates the people, even those without internet access, to
demand changes in government.

i don't know if i will fully agree with cesar. But i certainly think he has a p
oint. I hate the current administration. Never liked it. Kay erap an alang ako
mag tatyaga,. mag nanakaw siguro si erap pero ang nag bebenipisyo mga mahihirap
. si gloria sya lang. Anyway, ang nakakainis sa mga nag rarally na mga kababay
an natin tulad ng KMU, Bayan, Gabriella, etc ay ang pag rally halos araw araw,
kahit anong issue ipinag lalaban kahit di naman karapat dapat. May mga bagay di
n na magandang nagawa si Gloria, tulad ng pag papa breast implant. HAHAHA> d
i lang sya nag benifit doon. Si Syempre si FG. I mean im sure its not everyday
masama ang nangyayari. Sa tingin ko bigyan natin ng tsansa ang mga KMU or bay
an maupo bilang presidente. pag hindi nila naayos ang bayan natin pwede ho bang
tigilan na natin ang mga rally rally na yan kung hindi naman talaga kinakailan
gan. Tumulong tayo sa ating bayan.Pano? tigilan na natin ang mga pag aalsa na w
ala sa panahon at sa rason. Kung Si Ka Satur kaya ang presidente? o si teddy ca
sino? mag rarally pa ba kayo? perpekto ba ang mga taong ito? may mga nalalaman
ba to sa Ekonomiya? Magaling bang Leader sila? o magaling na maninira ng bayan?
Di ako galit sa mga taong ito. Gusto kong may lumalaban para sa demokrasya. Pe
ro sana po bawasan na natin ito pag katapos ni Gloria. MAg tulungan tayo kung g
usto ninyong umasenso ang ating bayan. Hindi po ibang tao ang kinakalaban natin
. Mag kakababayan po tayo lahat. GLORIA lumayas ka na po. Kung ano man ang nina
kaw mo sayo na yan. Hwag mo na lang dagdagan pls.

FG ang Diyos na po ang bahala sayo. Di naman ikaw mapa tunayan kahit may ebiden
sya at hawak mo po ata lahat. Salamat po sainyo at kay gloria. Nakita na natin
an bawal tumiwala sa maliit. Si Gloria parang sili. mas maliit mas maanghang.

Paki usap ko lang kalimutan na natin si Gloria at ang kanyang mga kasalanan. Ta
ma na po yan. Ang importante maka bangon tayo at mag tulungan.

Has anyone bothered to ask what the Opposition is offering as an alternative to
the current state of affairs? Are the Opposition opposing a situation? Or are
they merely opposing a personality?

There is a big difference between the two. If the only thing on offer is someon
e else, well, I think we've seen that proposition often enough to be a bit cyni
cal about whether anything different will come about whatever the Opposition de
livers. What has so far been lacking is an alternative WAY. There is nothing in
the slogans and platitudes mouthed by Oppositions and anyone who attends these
"rallies" that remotely resembles a WAY FORWARD.

So the issue here is not really about what rally is held, how it is held, or wh
ere it is held. The issue is whether any REAL THINKING underpins the current "a
ctivism" we see today.

Cyberactivism is not as effective as text messaging which was used against Erap
.
Cyberactivism only reveals how wide the existing Digital Divide between haves a
nd the the have-nots in this country.
Considering that the World Wide Web is now 15 years old, is Cyberactivism such
a new thing?
Or are we just 15 years behind?

This virtual rallies had a valid point, this is the main reason of why Senator
Trillanes won an election without campaigning for his position while he was and
still in Jail, besides pilipinos nowadays is much more practical than during p
eoples power peaceful revolution with the real Hero Cory Aquino, not chavit sin
gson the hero of edsa2, it needs a virtual presidential candidate who can real
ly pinpoint what political platform issue that needs urgent attention to win th
e presidency position, the former president Erap uses his eradication rehabilit
ation against poverty, what i can suggest is real income support for the unempl
oyed whom are now around nine million pilipinos who are really suffering, while
PGMA can afford to dine in america for a million pesos, who is really paying t
his.

"Has anyone bothered to ask what the Opposition is offering as an alternative t
o the current state of affairs? Are the Opposition opposing a situation? Or are
they merely opposing a personality?"

that's a good point to bring up--been actually wondering that myself. I'd like
to hear what the alternative will be --- although i can't say much good about t
he current government, i am wondering about the alternatives.it would be nice t
o have this enlightened by the opposition.

A virtual rally is just that: virtual. Virtual activism on the internet is also
that: virtual, not real. While I am all for cyberactivism, we have to make sur
e that at a certain point, it has to become real.

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I have nothing against cyberactivism, in fact, i myself have joined that no to
con-ass group in facebook.

But I strongly believe that signing up in such groups is not enough. It is actu
ally the inconvenience of a rally that strengthens its impact to the administra
tion. The participants are that willing to sacrifice their wages to show their
demands against the possible charter change.

Yes, it is really good if the no to con-ass group grows exponentially. But if p
eople would just go on sign up, yet remain seated, it will just be useless.

Let our true voices and demands be heard. Let's not limit ourselves with the co
nveniences of a bourgeois lifestyle, but rather, step out from our comfort zone
s and walk the talk.
And oh,
"Physical Rallies end when theyâre finished"
No actually they don't. And again, these are just acts of protests. Hindi nito
hangad na maging sagot sa problema.

Hooray cyberactivism! No to con ass! we have enough problems already. Jumbling
up the present laws we have will only add up to the confusion.

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Virtual Rallies were not as effective as Street rallies, It is plain empty with
out sense, it like counting one(1) for an absent person. Physically counts, tha
t it. it bears bearing.

Well virtual rallies vs Con-Ass, Why this activist always against Con-Ass, To t
hink about it oppositions are always present in the other sides that it, And ra
llies are always on the street, because activist exist to be activist, left is
to the left.
they bring meaning to their existent. That is the simple logic to it, the gover
nment will changes from one president to another, but the activist and the left
will always there.

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