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Jailing Trillanes

07/31/07

Posted under Philippine politics, Rule of law

I had already written my column for today when I got word—-through an unfailingly efficient member of the Senate—-that the Makati Regional Trial Court had thrown out Senator Antonio Trillanes’ petition for limited, “functional” freedom. It was about five pm, yesterday (Monday).

As it turned out, Judge Oscar Pimentel denied all of Trillanes’ petitions.

In a sweeping denial of all of Trillanes’ pleas, Judge Oscar Pimentel Monday rejected Trillanes’ motions to be allowed to attend all official Senate functions, to be given access to media and to set up an extension office inside the Marine detention center at Fort Bonifacio in Taguig City.

Pimentel upheld the prosecution claim that the Department of Justice, “as the prosecuting arm of the government, its shield and sword of law and order, represents not only the 11,138,067 voters who voted for him (Trillanes), but the people of the Philippines, with all its 85 million citizens and counting.”

In the column, I had argued that, despite the self-evident sincerity of Sen. Aquilino Pimentel (no relation, I think), Senate Resolution No. 22 (since renamed Resolution No. 3, after it was adopted on July 25) may be said to encroach on the judiciary’s admittedly limited territory.

To be sure, the language of the resolution itself was based on a scrupulous regard for the prerogatives of the judiciary: a promise that Trillanes would be “present when needed by the court”; recognition that the “Regional Trial Court of Makati has primary jurisdiction over [his] person”; support for Trillanes’ petition for bail.

And yet, the full effect of the resolution was to pit the entire Senate, itself naturally jealous of its own prerogatives, against a lone court. Instead of strengthening the fundamental principle of checks and balances, it may have undermined it.

Reading the story about Judge Pimentel’s decision, however, made me realize I had missed one powerful argument against the resolution: That it would force the trial court to overcompensate, and reject Trillanes’ main petition outright. That would then place the Senate in an embarrassing position, a wobbly perch it had chosen to climb onto.

Judge Pimentel spoke of “undue pressure”—-Trillanes, he said, was placing the court under undue pressure by egregiously citing the wrong precedents. But perhaps I won’t be the only one to read this rather strained rationalization as an indirect thumbing-of-one’s-nose at the Senate. This “lone court” may be subtly telling the “entire Senate:” Keep your distance.

Some time ago, the Inquirer tried to put the entire issue of Trillanes’ detention in some perspective. The editorial argued, among other things, for a limited freedom for Trillanes. Does my column conflict with this stand? It doesn’t really matter if it does, but just the same I think that there is, in fact, no conflict. I agree that Trillanes should be allowed to attend Senate sessions and committee hearings while his trial continues; but I am also wary of the Senate placing “undue pressure” on the judiciary, precisely because it has an interest in the matter. Our courts are among the weakest links in the governance chain; we don’t need the hammer of the Senate bearing down hard on them.  





183 Feedbacks on "Jailing Trillanes"



Alain

Buti nga sayo!!

Mayabang kasi..

Masyadong believe sa sarili..

Mabubulok na yan sa bilangguan..



Alain

Para sa akin tama lang yan.. kulang pa nga eh..

para hindi pamarisan..

kung hindi ba naman binagyan yung mga coup plotter nun ng amnesty, may magtatangka kaya ngayon?

capital offense yan.. bitay dapat katapat nyan..



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romy

The judiciary is the weakest of the three branches of government. It has no police power to enforce its ruling and at the mercy of Congress with its powers of the purse and impeachment. The act of the senate is a brazen attempt to influenced the decision of a lowly court with its awesome powers. The Supreme Court should condemned this blatant interference of a co-equal branch in its exclusive domain.



Kabayan

Meanwhile Garci, Bedol, General Garcia’s wife, Singson, Dimasidsing’s assassins, those responsible for the custody of ballot boxes in Congress, Imelda Marcos, gambling lords and ladies, top level police and AFP officials past and present, and countless of Arroyo allies involved in corruption including but not limited to the Fertilizer scam, North Railway transit, series of major electoral frauds, clampdown on human right to public assembly and free expression, warrantless arrests, and a whole host of others remain scot free.

On the other hand, among those who were arrested past and present: Crispin Beltran, opposition people analyzing their own copy of Election Returns, General Miranda and Colonel Balutan for speaking out regarding electoral events in Lanao, Senator Trillanes, Black and White movement members for wearing the Tshirt “Palitan na , now na”, people engaged in peaceful protests, media people.

Threats of arrests were made against other media personnel, leaders who would speak out against Gloria in a Luneta rally, and generally anybody who is against Gloria for one reason or another.

All these even without even mentioning the numerous media personnel and activists killed in the course of Gloria rule.

It’s time to admit that the laws are in favor of those sucking up to Gloria and her ilk while against those who criticize her demagoguery. Those who suck up well enough are guaranteed protection from arrests from Gloria’s stormtroopers even if they commit major crimes.

Of course, decent people should realize that even evil has it’s end but still the honest citizen should fight this evil every way they can.



leila

@kabayan

All you mentioned are happening while the honorable senators are busy trying to impeach Gloria instead of legislating laws.



ian

It’s an insult to those 11 Million who voted for Trillanes. Its not the people of the Philippines against Trillanes but it must people of the Philppines vs. corrupt government & army officials. This really sucks. The Gloria army is now controlling everything. Even the justice system is favoring Gloria. This really sucks!!! Ala na talagang pag-asa ang bansang ito. If there will be another attempt to topple GMA, then I will be one with them. Gloria Sucks…



Oliver

People were sickened to hear that the Marines killed in Basilan were beheaded and mutilated by the enemy. Let us not forget that one of the complaints of Sen. Trillanes and his fellow officers were the issuance of substandard supplies to the members of the Armed Forces because some of their greedy and corrupt leaders wanted to enrich themselves at the expense of the lives of those poor soldiers. Among these supplies are combat boots that come apart after being wet, defective rifles, bullets and mortar shells that do not fire or explode, just to mention a few. Now we know why those brave Marines were killed. Some of the mortar shells they fired were duds. I am not surprised if those same greedy and corrupt leaders are the ones behind the continuous jailing and persecution of Sen. Trillanes.



mekong

All I can say say, Trillanes is a national security threat. I think there’s enough evidence to pin him down. The television stations video coverage from the mutiny and him prominently speaking to everyone. Who can offer more proof than that. It is obvious as there is a sea in the pacific ocean. Our court is so slow…maybe they already have an arrangement to drag it (millions of pesos bribe money)…



edwin ventura

I believe that:
1) Sen. Trillanes is still on trial and not yet found guilty compared to Jalosjos, who is already found guilty then after barred or excluded from congress. So why not let Trillanes serve the senate first then exclude him if and when found guilty. 2) Comelec should have already disqualified Trillanes before the election, if indeed after election he can’t perform his duty if elected. 3) There should be a clear law regarding this matter, so as to avoid this things to happen again. 4) As of now, everybody has their own interpretation and opinion that just confuses the electorate/pilipino people.



beerhunter

Slow drag nga dahil may honorarium.
Pag pangkaraniwang tao, ang bilis mahatulan, para daw huwag pamarisan. Kung mabigyan man ng tagapagtanggol yung pobreng tao e, “Attorney Paamin” naman!!

beerhunter



BBNaranjo

Trillanes should be treated like an ordinary detainee. Since the crime he is charged is non-bailable, then he should stay in jail. We cannot treat anybody differently than others just because the Senate say so. That 11 million who voted for him know he is in jail.



romy

The 11 million who voted for him knows that he is facing a crime of coup d’etat and its a non-bailable offense. Being voted into office does not extinguished his crimes against the state. He wants to reform the Armed Forces by occupying a 5 star hotel in the financial district of the country and planting bombs and threatening to unleashed chaos and mayhem if his demand was no met. By HSA definition he is a terrorist. He should be executed by firing squad instead of being called Honorable Senator. There is really something wrong with the pilipino character why we continue voting into office these military men with messianic mentality like Honasan and Biazon.



miswa143

justice in the philippines will never be fair and just… we have the poorest and the most corrupt justice system in asia…



miswa143

the people voted for him though they know that his in jail… it means that changes need to occur in the senate… let him do his part as a senator… a clear and true picture that justice is not fair enough… give him the chance to serve and let JUSTICED PREVAIL… TO ALL…



leo villanueva

We should respect the decision of the coart.They had spoken and they had spoken well. We are in a country that rewards bad guys, in the time of Christ, people had choosen to release Barabas instead of Christ. Same case as ours, in the case of Honasan alone how many had been killed in those coup attempt, did he ever compensate or even say sorry for the victim. Instead people rewarded him a senate seat. There is no one to blame but us and the irresponsible media, who suppose enlighten the people but instead glorifies this kind of people. Voting this guy is an invititation for more adventurism and more economic instability for this country. And at the end of the day, the loser will be our poor countrymen. Trillanes should stay in jail, and him staying there would be warning for all.



Kabayan

@leila,

The problem is not in the creating or legislating new laws as much as implementing them. The laws should primarily target those lawbreakers in top positions otherwise we end up a “syndicracy”; a government run by a crime syndicate.

Indeed the problem is the one breaking laws and the constitution from the topmost positions. And with the nasty record of emasculating democratic principles and for involvement in electoral fraud and corruption whether directly or indirectly, by inference you would know now why there is a impeachment bid against Gloria.



Kabayan

The music which the administration likes to hear from Trillanes is the sound of sucking it up to Gloria before any talk of him being able to function his Senatorial functions.

See Misuari, Gringo and other numerous people who used to be in jail sucking up to Gloria and the current privileges they have.

Fortunately Trillanes stood up for his principles and would not allow himself to be used in trapo politics being dangled to him by the administration.



Racel

I believe in the principle . in denying senator trillanes attend senate sessions and giving space for his office, the notion that “a suspect is innocent unless proven guilty” is reverted. Or is our law practicing “a suspect is guilty unless proven innocent”? Com’on, there are worse elected leaders yet they are free to do their functions. and tell us please, that there are no corrupt and cheaters assigned in the highest positions in the government. is it not trillanes fighting for the cause of the common people by his expose? he was voted by the people so he should do his mandate. if he doesn,t, why else was he allowed to run in the first place?



jojo

Hi All,

I was one them before…Iknow its difficult being in the front line lalo na pag alam mong nilloloko ka na. Trillanes alegation is true, corruption in the military is rampant and you can not go anywhere to ask for help except kung mag organize ka ng group tulad nila. Ngayon sino ba dapat sa kulungan, si Trillanes ba o yong mga Buwayang general na naka pwesto pa until now? Yong giyera sa Mindanao walang katapusan yan…dahil malaking pera ang involved no war no aid and the amount is 100milyon dollar a year. Yong lang po para maitama yong magaling magturo at baka kayo ay ma NUNO.



Ed

It would be fair for the everyone kung tapusin agad ang kaso nya. Napakabagal ng hustisya. Kung ikaw walang kasalanan, papayag ka b makulong syempre hindi so ikaw mismi ang mag initiate na bigyan ka ng justice para makalaya.



Mekong

“innocent until proven guilty” - does that mean rapists and serial killers can roam around free until a verdict is read? c’mon people, common sense naman d’yan…he’s capable of destabilizing the nation, he did it once, he can do it again.



Jun

11 million people voted for Trillanes. Wow, thats awesome. But how sure are they that Trillanes is the hope of this desperate nation? I have been living in this country for 45 years now and I dont remember any senator or president who uplifted our country from a lowly third world nation to a global economic power. As the same old story goes in our traditional politics, Trillanes will be no less than the other senators or politicians who will surely enjoy the limelight because of the adulation offered by the “masa” fans. He’s no less than the action stars who beat up the bad guys in the movies or some good looking messianic adventurists from the military sector who sat in the senate just to look cute. Trust me, he will only end up as a celebrity who will be attending social functions and gatherings just for the fun and glory of it. And later on, his siblings and relatives will follow suit. As for his non-bailable case, let the court do its job and if hes found guilty, then let it be. If not, lucky him. Showbiz and “political showbiz” are the main motivating factors why most people run for public office. Its not really to serve the people but its more of a self-serving ambition. Showbiz and politics in our society means money, power and glory. I will give Trillanes the benefit of the doubt but I dont think he can change this country overnight as what he is hoping to happen. He promised himself that impeaching Gloria is the answer to the countries economic woes - wrong!. Thats pretty much the same thing other people thought about when they kicked out the dictator and they tried to impeach Erap and still nothings changed. The dictators relatives are now back in the political limelight and enjoying political power just the same - and the Estradas too. In fact, Trillanes’s mode of disseminating his political statement was thru violence when he lead the Oakwood mutineers and everyone knows that, that approach is wrong. Among our politicians, I could only admire few of them like Juan Flavier, Jovito Salonga, and Lorenzo Tanada. I would say that the main problem of our country is the kind of people who occupies it. Filipinos deserve the kind of government and the suffering they have right now for they elected those people whos running it. Only to find out that they have to kick her out because they made a wrong choice. Theres no one else to blame except ourselves. Why dont we try letting the Japanese live and run our country for a while and kick out all filipinos. Probably by then we can see some changes.



Devon

I am amazed on how both parties reacted in here. It is nice to know that people now are getting involved in our national interest.

However, we must be careful on the words we are throwing here.

In the case of Alain i just wanna tell you that Trillianes is not convicted yet; and that he remains innocent. Ano ba nagawa ni Trillianes? Now look at yourself, baka mas masahol ka pa sa kanya. Trillianes is fighting for National interest and your greed opinion is nothing.

To Leila: People knows that Trillianes is vocally fighting for Arroyo’s ousting once he seated in senate. And that give him victory in the election. Now Trillianes will only do the 11 people mandate who elected him.

Hindi kaya, nakagapos pa rin ang ating hukuman sa mga sakim na patuloy na umaanay sa kaban ng bayan?



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Bert

To: Jun

You’re here in our beloved Philippines 45 years and you are giving up? You are talking in desperation, Jun. Your idol, the good ex-senator Salonga is here 80 years, more or less, and still trying, what’s the matter with you, man, your will to improve fizzling out too soon? What do you want us to do, do you want all of us to stop? To preserve the status quo, and be stagnant, as we are stagnant right now? There was a time our country was the best in our part of the world economically. In time I’m sure we can do it again-if we don’t stop. Politics is politics, and politicians are a necessity, that’s the way of life in a democracy. The politicians? We are privelege to have the right to select and put in place the ones that should be able to make the right change we want for the better. We could try then observe the new ones that show promise, who knows. Then we could, and we must, discard the old ones responsible for this stagnation, the ones gathering moss in their position but still there. Although it has been taking us so long to do this, because of our stupidity they are still there, whistling their way to their favorite bank gaily, daily, but we will, if we don’t stop. So, please, Jun, don’t despair, and please we don’t stop trying. Okey?



mekong

for devon: im all for trillanes if he did it the right way, the moment he staged that mutiny, it sooo wrong and it has to be punished and for me i don’t need the court to know that he’s wrong because he is. You are talking about national interest that why he did it and it’s enough justification. If I’m with you in there, what about gma cheating because of national interest. I think it’s enough justification if I follow you’re argument and can you imagine where we are now if she didn’t? I’d rather be with GMA who is so focus right now on what needs to be done than people who are not qualified to be one.



Jun

To Bert,

Good thinking Bert. Perhaps I came to the point that I already gave up but actually I never did. Deep in my heart and my mind Im still a Filipino but I can see things clearly now from the past, here and beyond, after 45 years of my existence as a Filipino. At least your one of the few who keeps the flame of hope burning. I cant blame you. You maybe right. If 80-90 percent of the countrys population will think the same way you think, then Im with you. If we tend to be more realistic, it takes a collective mindset and action to effect change. You can keep saying that we shouldnt stop and not to lose hope but how many Filipinos think the same way? Change is what we need right now and it has to take effect immediately. Im sorry Bert but a lot of Filipinos, rich or poor have already left our poor country. They decided to prioritize their future and their childrens future instead of creating chaos at mendiola, in front of the us embassy, or congress. Your right, democracy is domocracy and politicians are considered as an inherent part of it. But our brand of democracy is totally different from other democracies who used the democratic ideology to catapult them to the enviable status of progress and peace. I wouldnt go to mendiola and let my children died of hunger just because I wanted to prove to the world that US imperialism is evil and the sitting president is ineffective. Ive seen it so many times and maybe some of those people think the same way you think but they resort to something different. I maybe stupid but sometimes I use my gray matter. Unlike you, there are more and more Filipinos who no longer regard Philippine democracy as an effective democracy, Im sorry but thats the truth. They’d rather live in another country with a secured future rather than voice out their qualms at mendiola or throw rocks or human feces at the US embassy. Its also unfortunate to note that some or majority of those who joined the rallies are hoodlums or drug addicts who intentionally skip their jobs just to create chaos and disorder - but with no concrete peaceful purpose, political views or legitimate agenda. Well, Im sure there are some true intellectuals too. There are so many things in this life that are of utmost importance thats worth doing and needs priority. Its ourselves and our children’s future. But let me remind you that there are some people who got tired of what our countrymen and beloved nation got into. So they just decided to lead a different way of life in another country. Im not saying that all who left the country succeeded but the number is increasing. Its not giving up but its more of taking care of what is most important. Patriotism and nationalism will always be there and I respect those people who still hope that these ideals will change this nation in the future. When? I really dont know. Stiil, there are Filipinos right now who preferred to live in another country for a better life but with a hope that good things would still happen. But one bonus for you Bert, in spite of what we have and what we have had experienced in our beloved Philippines, we Filipinos are still considered as one of the happiest people on earth. Keep the faith! Keep on hoping bro! but Ill do what I feel like doing now because Im still a part of Philippine democracy and that is to take care of myself and my family. Maybe someday I will go back and retire in our beloved country when the change that your talking about takes effect.

Good luck, Bro!



Bert

For: mekong

Hi, mekong! This is just for the sake of argument, pure argument, ok? You and Devon are my co-bloggers here, and we are all Pilipinos trying very hard to find what small things we can contribute, even by just blogging our hearts out, to save our beloved Native Land, so we are all friends. We should and we must be. You are comparing here two people, both of national prominence because of conflicting controversies. You are also comparing two crimes punishable by our laws, but could have been committed in the name of national interest. Uhm, very interesting that. Of course you have taken your choice of the two personalities, Devon had forced you to take the lesser of the two evils,so to speak. Shame on you Devon. You two were comparing the gravity between ‘mutiny’ and ‘election cheating’, and between the two people who were alleged to have committed them. I have three questions to you, mekong: 1.) How many innocent and precious lives lost in the mutiny being referred to? 2.) How many innocent and precious lives lost in the election cheatings? 3.) Do you think it’s just election cheatings being involved here? Cheers to all you gals and guys.



gapan

The filipinos are the victims of their decisions to listen to politicians knowing most of them does not delivered the “goods” that they are suppose to deliver unless it benefits them. The Real Politician are those that stand for the right of the filipinos not by force but by principled decision. Principled decision means to support actions the would benefit the massess regardless whether the idea comes from the opposition or the incumbent. Principled decisions entails analysis of the intent ie., Does it Benefit the Country as a Whole and not just posturing with the press to gather media mileage.

You haveacknowledge the administrative or mechanical shortcoming in the judiciary system but you fail understand the strong wisdom behind the decision. By some of you favoring preferential treatment to this rebel guy, you become accomplish to the further deterioration of the justice system therefore, you are part of the system that you condemn slow and weak.Bascially you are also condeming yourself.

Gloria Arroyo is not perfect and her decisions are sometime painfull but the overall result to economy and the country is far better than the populist like most of the Senators (Madrigal, Villar, Legarda, Pimentel), yes running a country needs law but laws alone could not effectively run a country.You need need poeple that has the genuine “INTENT” to push the country forward be it thru democratic, autoritarian or the mixed of both.

Many people does not like Gloria because she makes decision based on merits, performance and not political alliance which everyone knows that nothing will come out good.

You condemn the Senate letter to give preferential treatment to Trillanes. Imagine the same body the pass law of the land, th same body that wanted to bend the same law, Its utterly disgrace to the Senate for the Filipion that support this move, its terrbily disgraceful as it shows the ignorance and the moral values, and the knowledge of the right and wrong.

Mga kabakayan, this is not to support Anyone in the Politics. The moderm Filipinos are those that think and evaluate the “INTENT” of any decsions made. Therefore, I admonish you to take the same position, KNOW THE INTENT these politicians and its’ easy to know that. It is for the benefits of the
Country or not.

Basahim ninyo ang move ng Senators,listen to their arguments and whether their beleif is “CONSISTENT to WHAT THEY PRACTICE”. If there is mismatch,you know that that Senator, Congressman, or even the other public officials are not worthy of your time and even your next VOTE.

Mabuhay ang Bagong Pilipino sa Diwa sa Katalinuhan sa Kakayahan, Pantay Pantay na Karapatan at maka Diyos na Pamumuhay. Salamat Po.



Devon

For mekong:

There is no such thing as wrong way for a person who strongly push on what he is believing. It could have been wrong with you but for me that is the only way where their little voices be heard.

GMA on focus? Focus on what? Look… we are hearing that the country is now on good standing. Funny… do we little ones felt it. or shall i exclude you? How could it be when the wages of the people who work for minimum wages paying taxes like that there is no other, remains at its state. We know on how much a family can survive for a day.

But what… increase in prime commodities? Inaccessible education because of high tuition fees. The cutting of the budget for the iskolar ng bayan?

How can you say that others are not qualified?

Trillianes is one man we have to admire. Even his collegues turn their back, but he stood still on what he is believing. That is the kind of leader we are needing.



mekong

To Devon: there are always people who always have something to say to one who is seated all the time, when a new leader comes here they come again whining about everything blaming the one who is seated. You’re talking about wages, I believe you are only well compensated by how you are qualified and you’re productivity. Don’t expect the government to give you something that you don’t earn.
Most people in the government are corrupt and who is not. If you’re in a position like a lowly mayor and you’re constituents ask you for burials, charities and other things that needs money of course you have to give and where would that come from? their salary? of course not they will find a way however dibious it might be…kung tayo nga nangungutang pag fiesta sila pa…
To Bert: Good questions my answer is - if I carry a nuclear bomb and I threatened people that I will detonate it but was able to stop by the government does that absolves me from a crime? Mutiny and Election cheating is wrong, dead wrong…but Im still for GMA coz she’s still the best we’ve got for now…



Kabayan

There is a blog regarding Trillanes on “Justice and common sense” posted by another blogger and my corresponding response is posted below that:

http://inquirerbloggers.net/eleksyon2007/2007/07/31/justice-and-common-sense/

As I said, the Justice applied by the current administration has double standards.



ako

What Trillanes did is not a coup de tat. It’s an expression of grievances and an expression of how he love this country.

TO JUN:
You are right Jun, no one from our leaders alone can uplift this country to global economic power, but you, Jun & Trillanes can do it. We can do it as one nation but not Trillanes alone.



glenda

Expression of grievances and love, does that mean if I carry gun and make threat too some people in your neighborhood because of grievances and love, it is okay?

Double Standards, it’s not just the administration, it’s also the opposition who has double standards…I think all of us do there is always subjectivity…just like asking which side would you be, for the one who give food in your table no matter what he did or the other who is good but dont mean that much to you.



JOEL

ALL OF YOU HERE ARE TALIKNG OF CRAP AND RUBBISH DISCUSSIONS…WE ARE STILL…A CORRUPT AND 3RD WORLD COUNTRY…



Mekong

If that is the way he express his grievance and love to his country by planting bombs and scaring people and disrupting our day to day lives, he doesn’t belong in the senate. He’s better off in basilan fighting than in the city. If you’re okay with what he did, does that mean that it’s okay if he threatens you and the diplomats and ordinary people and the shoppers and the tenants of buildings again in the name of love of the country?



abe

paano ka naman mag-kakaroon ng pag-mamahal sa ating bansa kung si Gloria nga at kanyang mga alipores walang pag-mamahal kundi ang mag-nakaw ng mag-nakaw. habang si Gloria ay nandiyan my love for my country will never be the same. kaya sa mga sundalong may hinanakit mag-alsa na rin kayo at maki-pag laban sa mga walang hiya at mapang-aping gobyerno. suportado kayo ng mga pilipino.



Kabayan

glenda,

The administration is supposed to be the one who should impose a standard and an example to all on maintaining what is the democratic right of all.

The opposition cannot impose any standard at all because it is incapable of doing so. For instance, not allowing Senatorial Trillanes to function as a Senator smacks of double standards, why?

Check out this reply of mine (with added modifications) in another blogpost regarding “Justice and Common sense”: at http://inquirerbloggers.net/eleksyon2007/2007/07/31/justice-and-common-sense/

“… COMMON SENSE is arresting:

1. Those involved in trying to destroy our democracy through numerous Executive Orders like E.O. 464. and E.O. 1017

2. Those who wish to ram Cha-cha down our throats

3. Those who participated in election fraud with Garcillano and Bedol

4. Garcillano and Bedol themselves

5. Those who tamper passports especially those in the DFA themselves

6. Those who cover-up, protect and even give Coast guard escort to illegal fishermen back to their country (ex. Chinese fishing boat caught at Tubhattaha protected Philippine marine sanctuary - this has happened several times to boot)

7. Those involved in the Fertilizer scam

8. Jocjoc Bolante

9. Those involved in the North Railway scam

10. Policemen who served warrantless arrests

11. Those who bans freedom of speech and assembly

12. Those who threatens and arrests media personnel

13. Those who ignored public bidding (example; like the bidding of the dozens upon dozens of police cars)

14. Those who coddle and protect corrupt people and criminals (ex. like those who protect and benefited from COMELEC Garcillano, Gambling Lords like the Pinedas, Jocjoc Bolante etc.)

15. Those who arrested witnesses to election fraud in Lanao and those who jailed good soldiers like Gen. Miranda and Colonel Balutan by making the midnight Executive order 464

16. Those who arrested people for simply wearing “Palitan na, Now na” T-shirts,

17. Those who banned leaders from making a speech in a Luneta rally

18. Those who raided (without warrant) a house where the opposition were analyzing fraudulent electoral returns

19. Those responsible for the loss and tampering of ballot boxes in Congressional custody

20. Those who assassinated or kidnapped electoral fraud witnesses like Musa Dimasidsing and 3 other teachers for being honest and having integrity

21. Gambling Lords like the Pinedas and Singsons to name a few

22. Military, police officers and government officials who enriched themselves in gambling operations especially those with opulent lifestyles (Maj. Mosqueda, generals and government officials)

23. Those who destroy the spirit of the law for the ends of the corrupt few especially the one in the top position of the Department of Injustice.

24. Those who engaged in killing journalists and people simply because they spoke out against corruption and anomalies.

25. Those people, despite knowing all these, continue to support this corrupt and evil system simply because they are:
a. Paid
b. Employees of government
c. They are relatives and friends of the corrupt officials themselves.
d. Directly or indirectly benefit from a corrupt system

26. Those who allows, participates and abets a host of other crimes by those in power…”

In addition, to arrest:

27. Those indiscriminately cut trees in City Parks (ex. Arroceros Park)

28.Those who continually try to find ways to do away with public bidding through loopholes in “executive decisions”

29. Those using public funds for personal election campaigns

30. Those who instituted electoral fraud upon our OFWs abroad in the last election (Ahh, the corrupt in power thought this would not eventually be discovered)

I’m certain that decent and impartial citizens of the Philippines have something to add to this list.

So the powerfully corrupt and influential are very fast in imparting a double standard justice upon political enemies and worse, upon decent citizens railing against anomalies, while they get away scot free from brazenly corrupt and evil acts.

So are there double standards primarily perpetrated in current governance? To those who look at the truth, the injustices can be seen in broad daylight.



james king

This is my first time to read this kind of blog and it is enlightening to know different views from various sources.

To Jun, I admire your positive perspective focused on the hopes of bringing our country to light and life one day. That is a true definition of OPTIMISM. Please allow me to add in regard to one of your blogger whosounds desperate in leaving the country for the sake of his family’s future and his children’s childrens future and adding that he plans to go back in time when he retires and if and when he sees the country is already doing better than what it is now is a blatant cowardice tantamount to selfish ambitions without respect to his foreparents who shed their lives to preserve and reclaim this country to what it is now. Coward because where you intend to go is not your own and will never ever be! Most of us curse the U.S. intervention in our national affairs and we condemn such action but where do we go to seek refuge and security of our family’s future? Perhaps in a foreign land not dominated by the U.S. or British?
I admit that I am now out of the country working to uplift the economic standard of my family, community and country but never in my mind has it ever occured that leaving my country is a permanent thing. It is still hairraising to sing our very own national anthem Lupang Hinirang during the Philippine independence day celebration along with a heart pounding and tear rolling down your face tune of Bayan Ko. So please take courage in squarely facing the crises and taking part in resolving them rather than avoiding. It is our moral obligation which may be the only pride we can give to our children and their children’s children. Be proud you are a Filipino!



glenda

for abe : So who would you rather sit there in particular? Erap?

for kabayan : ever since it was cory time to ramos to erap to gma, people always has list longer than yours about the government’s injustice. Even if you replace gma with an opposition man, there will still be injustice. It is part of human civilization. Kung makalista ka parang wala kang nagawang kasalanan count yours first and remorse before counting someone elses, justice starts from within…



mekong

That’s why the court refuse the plea of Trillanes, it brings justice to those he wronged whatever his intention be…the end does not justifies the means…’ika nga kasi if the courts side with trillanes…imagine what you and I can do in the name of the country, suicides in the name of the country, massacres in the name of the country, hostage taking in the name country….



Kabayan

glenda,

Incorrect, the only regime that rivals Gloria administration in injustice is that of Marcos.

If another replaces Gloria and is corrupt, then the replacement must also be open to censure. That is the way it is and that is the way it should be. Gloria can’t accept censure and her cohorts continue to go on their merry corrupt ways.

And please don’t use the logic of “count your faults first before counting others”, the fault here is a larger fault of governance and injustice which the ones in current power willfully ignore. It is the one which allow evil to proliferate and be popularized by protecting bad people and a bad system. It is a question of responsibility of ill governance, don’t pass the buck.

Administration apologists can’t use the logic that “This is part of human civilization”. Because evil things like wars and abuse happens in civilization does not mean we just let it happen and swallow us whole. The evils in civilization must be fought otherwise one abets evil itself. This reasoning is the reasoning of a “kunsintidor”

For evil to prosper, good people simply have to do nothing.



glenda

Well I guess that’s why the court is keeping trillanes in jail coz he’s evil….don’t pass the buck?…you are passing the buck…You’re so loud when an injustice from the government is done…but kept yourself quiet when the other camp did some wrong…GMA and government are maybe unpopular because of some difficult decision she has to make, If im seated there or even you…I guess you will have to do some difficult decisions also, give the lady a credit. You compare her administration to Marcos. How can you prosper when you’re still carrying the burden on your back…move on and move forward…if you don’t want to, please don’t drag everyone…



glenda

and you say kunsintidor…I think you’re the one who is…because you want trillanes free…



Kabayan

You want more injustices? Check this out:

Palace actions vs SC questioned
Budget cut, CHEd reshuffle noted

By Veronica Uy
INQUIRER.net
Last updated 11:32am (Mla time) 08/06/2007

MANILA, Philippines — Malacañang has “unceremoniously” sacked the brother of Chief Justice Reynato Puno from the Commission on Higher Education, slashed by about P1 billion the 2008 budget for the judiciary, and disapproved funding for the Manila City Hall of Justice requested by Puno.

Senate Majority Leader Francis Pangilinan said Monday that these actions by the Palace appeared to be in retaliation for Chief Justice Puno’s holding of the summit on extrajudicial killings in July.

“Is Malacañang punishing the Supreme Court for calling the summit on extrajudicial killings? Is it exacting vengeance after the summit raised the issue of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo’s possible liability for the unabated killings?” he asked.

CHEd chief Carlito Puno is the brother of Chief Justice Puno.

“We are disturbed by these recent developments arising between the executive department and the judiciary. Is Malacañang waging a silent, ‘dirty’ war against the Supreme Court?” the senator asked.

Pangilinan, who received a fresh mandate in the May 2007 elections, recalled how Malacañang declared war against the Senate when the Palace issued Executive Order 464 and refused to recognize the Senate’s constitutional power to summon Cabinet officials to attend hearings.

“EO 464 undermined the Senate as an institution and impaired its independence. It also prevented the Senate from exercising its constitutional duty to serve as a check and balance on the executive branch,” he said.

Pangilinan said these actions, which might undermine the independence of the high tribunal, could pre-empt a constitutional crisis.

“If true, we vow to rally behind the Supreme Court to oppose such moves. We hope this is untrue and the developments mere coincidences,” said Pangilinan.

“I believe Malacañang should clarify these recent turn of events coming as it does at a time when the Supreme Court has been very vocal about extrajudicial killings. Is this Malacañang’s response to extrajudicial killings? Attacking the Supreme Court? We certainly hope not,” he said.

The issue of extrajudicial killings has tainted the Philippines’ image before the international community.

Last week, 49 United States congressmen wrote to the President to ask her to prosecute those responsible for the killings generally believed to have been perpetrated by members of the military.

Early this year, United Nations Rapporteur for Extrajudicial Killings Professor Philip Alston conducted a fact-finding mission and made the same conclusion that government security forces were responsible for the crimes.

Human rights organization Karapatan said that about 800 activists, journalists, labor unionists, and church people have been killed since Arroyo took over government in 2001.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view_article.php?article_id=80840
nation/view_article.php?article_id=80840



Kabayan

Who said I want Trillanes free glenda? What I do want is to allow Trillanes to properly do his function as a Senator. He must also be offered the chance for bail like those who were in jail but are now free because they sucked up to Gloria’s ******.

If the other camp is wrong, by all means go ahead and post them, nobody is stopping you. I do not mind them so much though since they are not the one in power to do the right or wrong thing in governance. The administration is.

Yes Gloria in many instances a bit worse than Marcos. She was curtailed though when her attempts towards full dictatorial power failed… at least for now.

Gloria’s “move on move forward” motto simply means, “Just ignore my shenanigans, let me move on and let me move forward… don’t mind my injustices… just move forward… don’t mind me destroying Philippine democracy, just move forward… ignore Bedol, Garci, Bolante, the Jueteng Lords, the warrantless arrests, just move forward. Let no government employee speak against me lest I slap them with E.O. 464. Let me move forward, I need to extend my term”

It’s sad glenda that you do not even see that right now Gloria is putting the screws on the Judicial branch right before your very face and the face of every Filipino.

I have a list of Gloria’s shenanigans and she keeps on sticking and creating new ones, best answer them all before passing the buck glenda.

The decision of Gloria is simple but she keeps on failing, for the decision is a moral one. She cannot take the right moral choice because she has to defend corrupt allies and people who would ensure her continued stay in power … in whatever means possible.



Kabayan

Oh yes, another thing, a new addition to Gloria’s motto “Ignore while I slash the budget of the Judiciary by 1 billion, the Supreme Court must genuflect before me … I have royal ancestry after all … Let’s move on, let’s move forward…”



glenda

The Problem with you is you judged without really digging which is also a form of injustice:

Palace denies Pangilinan claim on judicial budget slash

By Lira Dalangin-Fernandez
INQUIRER.net
Last updated 06:20pm (Mla time) 08/06/2007

MANILA, Philippines — Malacañang on Monday refuted Senator Francis Pangilinan’s claims it was squeezing the judiciary’s budget in retaliation for the Supreme Court’s summit on extrajudicial killings, where the possible liability of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo for the bloodshed was brought up.

Budget Secretary Rolando Andaya said it was “premature” for Pangilinan to say the judiciary’s budget will be slashed by P1 billion.

Pangilinan should also stop “storytelling a lie” by linking the purported budget cut and the sacking from the Commission on Higher Education of Carlito Puno, the brother of Supreme Court Chief Justice Reynato Puno, Andaya said.

“It has nothing to do with it. You’re trying to make stories that do not exist. It’s purely a budgetary exercise…Let’s wait for the budget proposal first [but] for them to say that the budget has been increased or slashed, that’s totally unfounded, that’s storytelling a lie,” he told reporters in an interview Monday.

Andaya could not say whether the judiciary’s budget for 2008 will be increased or slashed.

He explained that what Pangilinan was apparently referring to was the P350-million loan from the World Bank (WB) under its Judiciary Reform Support Project (JRSP), in which the government also has to put in a P47-million counterpart fund.

Andaya said the loan under the JRSP is approved “in principle” but the formal documents have not yet been released so it would be improper for the Department of Budget and Management (DBM) to allocate funds to a project that has not yet been officially approved.

However, he said funding for the project remains on standby under “unprogrammed funds” in the 2008 proposed budget still being hammered out by the Palace.

In an earlier report, Pangilinan questioned if the sacking of Carlito Puno and the slashing of the budget were in retaliation for Chief Justice Puno’s holding the summit in July.

“Is Malacañang punishing the Supreme Court for calling the summit on extrajudicial killings? Is it exacting vengeance after the summit raised the issue of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo’s possible liability for the unabated killings?” he asked.



Bert

Kabayan, please go slow on Glenda, she’s a real lady. And you are a real gentleman. She’ll come to see the light soon, you’ll see.



ako

to glenda:
If you think that would mean something go and carry gun.

Little good deeds need great sacrifice.
US government drops atomic bombs in Japanese soil just to stop the war at the cost of thousand innocent lives.

Trillanes and his men action at oakwood uncover the military corruption with consent from the government in exchange for their loyal support.

We need strategy to succeed. Let the second strategy works. Being a senator of the Republic of the Philippines let his duty done. Don’t let the powerful corrupt official stop him.
Let’s unleash our power to succeed. thanks for the initiative of 11million filipino people



Kabayan

Ah yes glenda the classic denial. Whom would I believe, Senator Pangilinan or the administration? You probably know my answer to that. It is a question of credibility glenda which the administration exhausted for quite some time now.

Of course you must also dig out the successive deceptions of Gloria including of course her previous promise not to run in 2004.

Once more glenda go over my 30 or abovementioned and tell me if she did anything substantial about it, or if not she herself is involved. There are others, but of course you have to dig it out yourself, or perhaps you know these only too well.

The credibility of the administration has hit the bottom of the barrel and is actually chipping through the bottom of the barrel itself.

The pressure on the Judiciary along with the dismissal of Carlito Puno? It is unwise to believe in coincidences when the administration is involved. Again, of course, you may already well know that.

There ways of the administration is deep but not cryptic. They push a questionable and oppressive strategy and when people do not react, the executive goes ahead with their devious plans, but when the Filipino people get riled up they retreat to the water. Something akin to crocodiles but of course that would be giving crocodiles a bad name.

The administration cannot hide their moves anymore, nor their sorry attempts to further extend their stay in power by whatever means necessary.



Kabayan

Ok Bert, I’ll take your advise ;)



Alain

Trillanes?

Just-tiis.. ok?



Alain

yung mabigyan sya ng bail, baka mamundok na yan..

hindi na yan magpapakita..



Alain

how about yung mga taong nakalista sa KARAPATAN pero biglang nagpakita?

ano klaseng agenda yun?



royburke

trillanes is accused of a political crime for mutiny or trying to ovethrow a gov’t..di ba ginawa ni gloria, cory at ramos yan? bkit di sila nakulong? if a crime is a crime and anybody doing a crime should be in jail, bkit malaya itong si gloria at kanyang mga generals pagkatapos nilang mag-”withdraw” kuno ng support kay erap? anong sabi ng supreme court? ‘political crime’ kc ang ginawa nila, na-absolve sila noong nagkaroon sila ng mandate to govern thru our apathy.. eh si trillanes, clear mandate ang ibinigay sa kanya to be part of the ruling elite..dapat din cguro ma-absolve sya kasama ang kanyang mga kasamahan because the people have shown support to their political cause and gave them mandate to share in the governance of our political institutions..the people have spoken and we are in a democracy where the people rule..not judge pimentel..



Kabayan

Tanggapin na natin, ang binibigyan talaga ng bail yung higop kay Gloria ;)



Kabayan


Kabayan

Tingnan niyo si Bedol, imbes na electoral fraud ang dapat pagtuunan ng pansin at saka illegal possession of firearms (at pinagyabang pa sa media), ang COMELEC eh “contempt” ang ipinataw.

Ano kamo? P 1,000 fine at saka P 15,000 bail sa paglapastangan ng ating demokrasya na ipinaglaban ng ating mga bayani?

Sabagay wala na ring respeto ang mga nasa gubyerno sa ating mga bayani. Pati ang “Araw ng Kalayaan” natin binagsak lang sa estado ng “holiday economics”.

Tanggapin na natin, talagang sa mga maimpluwensiya at may kapit sa mga matataas na taong promotor ng katiwalian, talagang lumuluwag ang batas. Talagang double standard.

Ni hindi ko pa binanggit si Garci.



Borgy

Puro tayo salita, puede naman tayo mismo ang magsampa ng kaso ah bakit walang nagsampa sa atin against bedol or against those who committed a crime in the administration…if we truly care magsampa tayo…GOGOGO



MC_90

yeah right…insult to those 11M filipinos who voted for traillnes????? and what about the more than 11M filipinos who didnt vote for trillanes???

Trillanes deserves to be in jail..thats where he belongs…a soldier who cant even follow orders???? crying for democracy in the military??? imagine what will happen if all soldiers will question every order to be given to them…

and now you think he´ll do better in the senate???? you are dreaming my friend…Trillanes is no different than all our politicians right now….



tristan galvez

hinahamon ko po ang 11 milyong tao bumuto kay trillanes na e mag-akda siya ng batas na mag lelegalize sa kudeta. sana din e soli niya ang nagastos natin sa pagpapa-aral sa kaniya sa pma gayong sa senado lang pala ang bagsak niya… di ko ma-intindihan kung papano naitutuwid ang isang mali sa ating lipunan sa isa pang pagkakamali… does the means justifies the ends? kung ako ba ay isang sundalo at may nakita ang kamalian sa ating lipunan may laya ba akong maglunsad ng kudeta sa hangarin maituwid ang kamaliang ito? dapat ba akong ituring na bayani? ako ba bilang sundalo ang siyang dapat magtuwid sa kamaliang nakikita ko? tama ba na ang maging tagapag udyok kung sino ang dapat kong iboto ay ang galit ko sa kasalukuyang gobyerno… ano na ba ang nangyari sa senado… andiyan na si ate… andiyan na si kuya… father and son tandem… sana magkaroon ng bagong official slogan ang senado…”hindi lang pampamilya pang senado pa!!!” hay naku… po… saan na ba natin inilalagay ang ating pag-iisip…?



Glenda

For Kabayan:
Credibility, how can it be when you already made up your mind about this administration no amount of explanation can ever change a mind that is set already. You don’t want him free, you just want him to serve his term. Im good with that provided he serve his jail term first. He committed a crime he must pay for it. No excuses. If admin people committed a crime you can whine and sue them for all I care.

For royburke :
Yup ginawa ni gloria atbp, meron bang nagsampa nang kaso when they did it? how about you, go ahead sue them. ‘Democracy where people rule not judge pimentel’ — are you suggesting we abolish our judiciary?



tristan galvez

hoy kabayan… ang galing mo… as if politics is a circle of the santoses… mga ganid ang lahat na iyan… gets ko sinasabi… buti nga ginantihan sila ni gloria… oy aber? look who is over the top? G L O R I A! Kitams… Ginawa na nila lahat mapalayas is ate Glo pero ano??? Na keep pa rin ni ate at BAY ang mga enemies? naku sa tanda mong iyan kabayan nagpapaniwala ka pa sa mga superheroes… mga sakim lahat iyan… mga magnanakaw… si Erap lang naman ang tangang presidente… sa lahat ng nagnakaw siya lang ang nahuli… naku si chiz. trillanes.. cayetano? naku po… egan… mag abroad ka na lang… o di kaya’y shut up ka na lang…



tristan galvez

naku kabayan… subukan mong magpunta dun… hindi kasalanan ng bumibili ng boto kung nadaya iyong ibang kandidato… kasalanan iyon ng nag bebenta ng boto… hoy kabayan sa lugar namin nagkakanvas pa nga iyong mga tao kung saang pulitiko mataas ang bilihan… wag si bedol ang ipakulong mo! kawawa naman si bedol… iyong laht ng tao na maguindanao ang sisihin mo… mga tao sa lanao sur… politics in our place is a business… demokrasya demokrasya ka diyan… naku kabayan lahat ng bayani 5 ft below the ground na…. iyong iba sinemento sa plaza… turuan mo muna ang tao maging mabuting tao… dahil lahat ng problema natin nagsimula sa tao… hindi sa presidente! intyendes?



tristan galvez

e di magkalayaan ka araw na gusto mo… basta kami enjoy… enjoy… enjoy… life is too short to waste on political squabs… mag paderma ka… mag sauna… mag beer… di wag ka magbasa ng diyaryo… iwasan mong maimbyerna… tama nga si gloria… holiday economics… ganun iyon… raket raket raket raket… ang kailangan… kung rally rally rally rally ang aatupagin natin… naku po… mamaos lang tayo sa kakasigaw ng ibagsak… matagal na tayong B A G S A K… GETZ MO? huwag na nating isigaw e bagsak e bagsak… OBVIOUS NA PO!



Jun

To Tristan and MC_90,

Regarding your comments on Trillanes, I have a lot of good reasons to agree with you.



simple pinoy

To Royburke,

Since when coup d etat became a political crime?

As a man in uniform, Trillanes not only committed crime punishable under the Revised Penal Code but also under the AFP’s Military Code of Conduct.

Election does not extinguish a crime.



Kabayan

tristan,

Ahh, ang pilosopiya ng “Hear No Evil, See No Evil at Speak No Evil”

Tristan, di kailangan ng superheroes para ayusin ang bansa. Kailangan gampanan ng bawat isang Pilipino ang tungkulin upang di lumago ang kurapsyon at katarantaduhan sa pamamalakad ng gubyerno.

Para sa iyo naniniwala ka na puro walang santo sa politika at puro ganid kamo sila lahat, kung gayon, pababayaan mo na lang ba ang kasamaan ang mamamayani dahil walang kamong santo sa politika? Anong ibig mong sabihin, na kailangan kunsintihin ang kurapsyon, katiwalian at anomalya?

Paderma ang suhestiyon mo? At ano pa? Mag sauna at mag beer habang naghihirap ang karamihan ng Pilipino dahil sa ganid ng mga nasa taas?

Ano kamo? Lahat ng tao sa Maguindanao ang may kasalanan sa pangyayaring dayaan doon at hindi si Bedol? Talaga?

Suhestiyon mo na mag-abroad na lang at shut up na lang ako habang ang mga kalokohan ay nakapalibot sa atin?

Shut up na lang kamo? Bakit? Dahil sa sumisiwalat ang katiwalian? Anong suhestiyon mo sa mga tao sa media, shut up rin? Ganyan rin ang gusto ng mga ganid sa posisyon na nabubuking na.

Naipakita mo talaga kung anong klaseng tao ka tristan galvez. Nakakalungkot nga lamang.



Kabayan

glenda,

You’re still missing the point. They do not only want Trillianes in jail but also to prevent him from doing Senatorial functions.

Second, as I’ve said, those who suck up to Gloria gets granted bail and traipse around scot free. I would not even list these well known personalities. Please research yourself.

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simple pinoy,

Colonel Balutan and General Miranda were being investigated in Senate regarding election anomalies in Lanao and suddenly the midnight Executive Order 464 came into being and put the screws on these Marines for being honest. Does this also belong under the Revised Penal Code and under the AFP’s Military Code of Conduct?

Did this act of E.O. 464 made it any easier for people in the military to expose corruption? What are expected from honest men in uniform when they see corruption? Blindly follow their superiors even though they committed crimes and fraudulent acts?

The mechanism of E.O. 464 actually pressures honest military men to look for other ways than exposes in Congress and pressure them to take matters into their own hands. This policy actually induces honest men of the armed forces, especially those who wish to expose anomalies, to find extra legal solutions.

If there are disgruntled honest officers and men in the AFP, all they have to do is to look at E.O. 464. The administration by this policy created the very problems which they are also trying to avoid.



ako

galing mo kabayan, sige pagsabihan mo pa yang si tristan.



MC_90

kabayan,

at sino ba ang hindi masama sa mga politiko natin? si Trillanes? hahahaha patawa ka kapatid ha…

alam mo, d ko alam kung ano ginawa ng oposition sayo..pinainum ka yata ng gayuma ni trillanes o ng oposition kaya galit na galit ka sa administration..pero gumsing ka kapatid..pareho lang lahat yan sila….

Si Trillanes ay sundao..opisyal pa…meron syang tungkulin…ang sumunod at hindi ang bumaliktad at gumawa ng sariling bandila at ihostage ang makati at lagyan ng bomba…

susmaryosep !!!



glenda

I don’t miss the point, I have no problem trillanes in the senate as long as he serves his term in jail first. He committed a crime he should pay for it first it then he can serve the people. If the government is trying to prevent him from functioning as a senator it’s because he is still has to pay for the crime he committed.



ako

Nasa AFP military code of conduct ba ang mangurakot?

Sino ba ang dapat parusahan? Dapat bang parusahan ang magsiwalat ng katiwaliaan?

gamitin natin ng tama ang timbangan. sino ba ang me mabigat na kasalanan yung isiniwalat o yung nagsiwalat?

Simple lang sana di ba?



dakoykoy

Vote Trillanes for Mayor sa Bilibid!!!



MC_90

wala kang makikita na pangungurakot sa ano mang code ng pilipinas..ma militar, police,senado,congreso,judiciary at executivo at iba pa…

Pero magagaling ang pilipino…pati batas kayang paikutin…

marami tayong mga abogado jan…kaya nilang baliktarin ang batas…Imbes na nakagawa ng kasalanan ang cliente nila…palalabasin nila na mali ang sinasabi ng batas at hindi mali ang cliente nila hahahahahaha…sobrang galeng..d ba?



mekong

for ako:
Wala namang problema kung magsiwalat ka ng katotohanan basta in a proper way lang. Trillanes obviously committed a crime because he didn’t do it the way civilized men do it, it set a bad precedent if we tolerate it. Simple lang sana d ba?



Kabayan

Hohum… I still wait for the explanation why Senator Trillanes is prevented from performing his Senate functions while people like Gringo, Jalosjos, Misuari have their privileges.

I also wait why people like Garci, Bedol, Bolante, the Pinedas, Singson, Mosqueda and numerous other personalities are still scot free for having worse crimes than Trillanes. Did these guys do “civilized crimes” as compared to Trillanes that is why they’re TOTALLY scot-free?

Moreover, many still wonder (although I cease to wonder myself) on what they did to Colonel Balutan and General Miranda, good officers both of them. Did the do uncivilized crimes? In the first place did they do any crimes at all or was the crime itself manufactured hastily by virtue of the INSTANT Coffee E.O. 464?

Now since the administration could not lead many of the Supreme court justices by the nose, they’re putting the thumbscrews on them. Did the Supreme court created a crime that is why the administration is doing such an unconscionable act?

Please go over the list guys and gals to learn about the double standard in governance.

______________________

MC_90,

You still look at it as a battle between opposition and administration. It is more a battle of issues on democracy, against corruption and falling standards of governance; remember that.

Because you saw that members of the opposition as imperfect, does that mean that we just allow the corruption and mismanagement being done by the administration?

I keep on reading the reason “Pare-pareho lang yan silang lahat!” … does it mean that the unspoken corollary of this is “Dahil pare-pareho lahat e di lahat tayo pare-pareho ring mangurakot!”? This is the reasoning that is being used by the corrupt in their respective positions. They claim corruption is okay because everyone is doing it. I have news for them because CORRRUPTION is NOT OKAY and it is TOTALLY WRONG even if everyone else is doing it!

Just look at it, as you claim that Trillanes should have been a good soldier that he should have followed orders, Hmm… following orders … should it be as blind as following a morally bereft president and corrupt officials and officers? Did you know that an officer can disobey an order if that officer is ordering or abetting a crime?

Yes the AFP followed Marcos once and what happened? They cleaned up the national treasury, instituted a 24 year dictatorship and state terrorism, made a system such that those who suck up to Marcos and the military generals loyal to him are given part of the corruption pie. THIS is the same thing that was attempted by Gloria and her cohorts in the recent past, a return to Marcos style dictatorship.

Unfortunately people can’t be fooled anymore. Trillanes may have done a wrong thing, but question this — did the administration do any better in cleaning up their act? Did they clean up their very ranks of corrupt or do they hide and abet them? Did you know the severity of corruption in the AFP BEFORE Trillanes started his protest? Did you know that Trillanes and his companions first protested in a peaceful manner but were REJECTED and IGNORED?

Sabi mo sa akin MC_90 na gumising ako, ngutin kapatid, ako’y gising — ikaw kapatid gising rin ba?



Kabayan

Correction on previous post, it should be: “Did you know that an officer can disobey an order if his superior is ordering or abetting a crime?”



glenda

For Kabayan:
If it really breaks your heart to see gringo etc., why don’t you sue them personally against their crime. It’s a no brainer man. You keep on whining about the things that are happening but you really have not acted on it yourself. Sue them okay…the issue here is trillanes has to be in jail for the crime he committed…he has to pay for it first before he can serve the people…it it looks like it because someone is suing him, someone acted…you blame the government for double standards but you never acted on it…sue the people who you think is wrong and then I can say that you are walking your talk….
‘ako’y gising — ikaw kapatid gising rin ba?’



sharid

For Kabayan:
‘I also wait why people like Garci, Bedol, Bolante, the Pinedas, Singson, Mosqueda and numerous…’ — That’s the problem…’you wait’ umaksyon ka …



ako

timbangin nyo kung sino ang me mabigat na kasalanan. if you are living in a civilized world dapat alam nyo yan.

si mc_90 alam nya naman pala kung bakit ginawa ni trillanes ang sa tingin nya nararapat.

do your part. stop those corrupt officials fooling around.



ako

uncivilized act by trillanes?
uncivilized act by corrupt leaders?

sa tingin nyo ba uunlad ang pilipinas sa mga corrupt leaders. wag na nating paikutin ang batas.

bakit mas malaya pa ang mga tao na nagpapahirap sa ating bansa?

uunlad ba ang pilipinas na nakakulong si trillanes?

uunlad ba ang pilipinas na nakakulong ang mga magnanakaw sa gobyerno?

civilized people of the philippines? mag isip tayo.



ako

25 sundalo patay sa ambush?
bakit?



MC_90

Kabayan,

di ko alam kung wala ka lang talaga alam sa batas o ano ba…si trillanes nag kudeta…may probable cause na nakita ang korte…kaya sya nakakulong…

yung ibang kinasohan ng kudeta dati gaya ni honasan…nakalabas sya kasi mas magaling mandaya si honasan kay trillanes…kaya di ko binoto si trillanes kasi nagpapagamit sya sa mga politiko…

susmaryosep kabayan!!!!! magbasa ka!!!



MC_90

kabayan,

sabi mo ¨Unfortunately people can’t be fooled anymore¨ …. eh sa tingin ko pre nangunguna ka sa mga nafooled hahahahahahaha

gising na gising ako pre…kaya nga di na ako bomoboto…sayang ang boto ko kung iboboto ko lang sa mga senador, congresman at ibang politiko ng administration o opposition…

iakw pre ang gumising na..nakikipagtalo ka para sa iyong idolo…susmaryosep..buti kung siya pinagtatangol ka din nya…hahahaha

kung sabihin mo sa akin na araw at gabi eh nasa tabi ka ni trillanes..baka maniwala ako pag sabihin mong mabuti syang tao..pero kung hindi…wag na lang heheheh



MC_90

kabayan uli hehehe

Sino ba ang hindi nangungurakot???? ang opposition hindi nangungurakot??? kaya nga sabi ko sayo pare pareho lang yang mga yan…

by the way…challenging an order from a superior officer is very different from holding a business district hostage, planting explosives, terrorizing the citizens and calling for the resignation of the president…



glenda

for ako:
so ok lang kung may maghuhurimentado sa bahay niyo? kasi di niya na gusto ang kurakot na gobyerno



royburke

simple pinoy and ate glends,

mga egan, mula sa declaration of martial law, edsa uno at edsa dos, lahat po yan na-question sa supreme court..magbasa lang po tayo ng kaunti..coup hindi political crime? wag po natin bawasan ang kamalayan ng sambayanan..sabi pa nga “history is becoming”..di po tayo uunlad kung di tayo matuto sa mga pangyayari sa ating kasaysayan..mabuhay po kayo!



Kabayan

MC-90,

Tsk, tsk … Hanggang ngayon tinitingnan mo pa rin ang nangyayaring sigalot sa punto de vista ng oposisyon laban sa adminstrasyon, tulad ng sinabi ko, ang mga taga oposisyon at mga taga adminstrasyon ay mga tao lamang. Kailangan tingnan mo ang labanan sa punto de vista ng mga taong ayaw na sa katarantaduhan at kakurakutan laban sa mga taong nakikinabang at pumoprotekta nito.

Dapat tandaan mo na pag may umiwan sa tamang pananaw at prinsipyo maka-oposisyon man o maka-administrasyon, sila ang magiging kalaban ng mamamayang Pilipino. Ang pagiging oposisyon at administrayson ay “incidental” lamang ika nga.

Nagbabasa ka rin ba MC_90? Di pa rin sinasagot ang mga kalokohan na ginawa ng administrasyong Gloria na nakasaad sa taas at ang kanilang pabaya at pagkunsinti ng mga kabalastugan.

Tulad ng sabi ko MC_90, dahil ba may kakurakutan sa anumang posisyon maging sa oposisyon man o sa administrasyon, kailangan bang kunsintihin natin ito? Pababayaan lang ba ito? Hanggang ngayon di mo pa rin ito nasasagot ang mga katanungang ito MC_90.

Nung nagprotesta ba si Trillanes at mga kasamahan niya nang mapayapa tungkol sa kakurakutan sa AFP noon. Pinansin ba ito? Peaceful protest at wala man ni ha ni ho? Nung napuno na sila at nangyari ang sa Makati, biglang aangal ang nasa itaas? Di mo pa rin ito nasasagot MC_90.

Ang mga nakakalat na mga taong may sala na pinoprotektahan ng administrasyon, ano na ang nangyari? Ang mga kalokohan nila sa midnight E.O. 464 at ang pag ipit nila sa Lanao election fraud witnesses na Marine officers Col. Balutan at Gen. Miranda. Tama ba ito? Gumawa ba sila ng hakbang tulad ni Senator Trillanes kaya sila pinahirapan ng ganoon na lamang? MC_90 di mo pa rin nasasagot ito.

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glenda,

Remember the incidents where the government manipulated the law when Col. Balutan and Gen. Miranda were testifying on fraud anomalies in Senate?

What happened in Congress when they tried to simply investigate anomalies relating to the first Family and her cohorts?

Do you think I’ve never acted on it, in my own little way? In that case you presume too much.

Answer the list of about 30 or so incidents either ignored or even participated by Gloria or her allies, so that people can determine whether you are truly awake or not - “gising ka nga ba talaga?”



Kabayan

ako,

Tama ka diyan, kung di kinunsinti ang mga mataas na kurakot at mapanupil sa demokrasya sa tingin ba nila may aalsa na tulad ni Trillanes? Nakita nila ang simptomas pero wala silang ginagawa sa sakit.

Ang problema ng iba ay kinukunsiti ang mga taong ugat ng sakit, at ito ay nasa pinakamataas na poder ng pamahalaan.

Galit sila pag pinagsasabihan, pero hindi naman nila binabago ang kanilang pamamalakad. Tuloy kailangan nilang magpatrabaho ng mga Public relations officers para bumango; para lagyan ng pabango ang mabahong basurang nakapaligid sa sistema.

Nakalulungkot ang sitwasyon di ba Ginoong “ako”?



MC_90

kabayan,

parang galit na galit ka jan sa sagot mo ah hahahahahaha tinamaan ba ang tumbong mo? nahurt ba ang ego mo? alam mo? bagay ka nga sa opposition..bagay ka sa kampo ni erap…puro makikitid ang utak…at bagay ka din sa administration…kasi magaling ka magpaikot ng kwnto hahahahahaha

isa ka sa dahilan kung bakit naghihirap ang bansa natin!!!!



Kabayan

Di naman MC_90, maaring “passionate” ang dating ko pero di naman galit. Sa aking pananaw naghihirap ang ating bansa dahil maraming tameme at tahimik na lang maski natatapakan na sila ng kurakot at maimpluwensiyang masasama na may pusisyon sa ating bansa.

Yung iba naman nagpapadala sa takot. Yung iba sumasali para yumaman sa maling paraan. Yung iba naman nagpapabayad para gumawa ng kalokohan. Hayaan mo MC_90 pag talagang galit ako makikita mo na ALL-CAPS sulat ko sa buong post ko. ;)

MC_90 ang pinahihirapan ko ay yung mga kurakot at ganid sa ating lipunan. Ito ay isa sa maraming paraan na makalabit sila ng kanilang Kunsiyensiya. Kung may nasasaktan dahil kilala, kaibigan, kamaganak, kaKAMPI o kasama nila ang mga kurakot at ganid sa gubyerno, pasensya na lang at ginagawa ko ang aking tungkulin bilang mamamayan ng ating bansa. Kung mayroon mang malapit sa mga ganitong klaseng tao, mas mainam na iwasan na lang nila sila bago sila maimpluwensiyahan ng kasamaan.

Dapat gampanan ng bawat mamamayang Pilipino ang kanilang tungkuling mawalis ang karumihan sa ating pulitika at lipunan, mahirap man o imposible man sa pananaw ng iba, dahil kung tayo ay pumanaw na isa yan sa itatanong sa ating ng Diyos; kung ginawa ba natin ang ating makakaya upang mapawi o mabawasan man lang ang kasamaan sa ating bayan.



darthvader

for Kabayan:
Yo kabayan, i’m just wondering if someone offers you 100 million pesos to be with their side and abandon your principle. what would you do? Don’t tell me you won’t accept it… pera lang ang katapat natin lahat…if we have money then we can concentrate on what is really important to us….



glenda

for kabayan:
I’m sure the government has it’s reason of stopping the two. Ikaw ba naman ang ibubuking hindi mo ba haharangan? We’re talking about Trillanes here committing a crime, planting bombs and scaring people. If that is okay with you then have him plant a bomb in your house but not in buildings where innocent people lives. Better yet pumunta kayo sa iraq kasi yung kukuti nyo parang mga insurgents, okay lang magpatayan in the name of their principle bahala na mga inosente…for the administration bloopers : They’re just smarter than the opposition…they have the goods and at least they keep the country afloat…kung hate mong mangurakot…mag pari ka nalang….



bakersfield

pareho lang yan…si trillanes mambobomba para mawala ang kurakot, ang mga opisyal nangugurakot kasi walang pera na itutulong sa mga nanghihingi sa kanila….



Kabayan

Hi darthvader,

100 million for my soul? Unfortunately no. More money than that? Still no. Some may think that’s its okay to be bribed for his principles, some even contend that this is okay if the corruption money be distributed later to the poor; however it is still stealing and is unacceptable. The Big Guy up there wouldn’t like that. Call me old fashioned but that’s the way it is.

Some may remember the king of the drug cartel in Columbia who reasoned the same thing. He sold drugs and killed good people and gave some of his wealth to poor communities. He later recruited hit-men and drug couriers from these communities. With his billions of dollars, what did it gain him in the end?

Some may reason that they do not engage in drug deals, only plain corruption. That is still stealing and is still wrong.

Even if there are differences in value there is no difference whether you steal a needle from a dress shop or money from a bank, in the end it is still stealing.

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C’mon glenda, what kind of talk is that, hindi lang naman pari ang dapat galit sa corruption di ba. ;)

Every Filipino should pull by their bootstraps each in their own way with the goal that corruption wouldn’t be prevalent and so that it would not be accepted in our society. Some Filipinos accept this evil as a way of life and even a “reality”, this attitude only weighs down more heavily to other Filipinos and a mentality of surrender to this evil develops. One must push to change what is wrong.

We should not give excuses to corruption, we should not see this as only part of the realm of “priests, holy men, deacons, pastors” as such, it should be a standard for EACH and EVERY ONE of us. It should be molded into the psychology of every Filipino so that in some future we would have accepted that corruption is indeed WRONG and it would be a start of a better nation and consequent blessings for us all.

For those engaged in this evil cease immediately for your deeds will catch you in the end; even if you donate to charity, donate to church, make a chapel, go to confession, or sing Praise the Lord everyday it would not make this wrong go away. And yes, this applies to everyone including church leaders, pastors, cardinals, deacons and priests.



Ashley

I know that Trillanes had done something which is not bailable and in this reason he won’t be allowed to go out of his cell. But tell me, why is it Honasan having the same crime(if that what it should be called) pero tingnan niyo naman, napalaya siya.

OMG! What kind of country do we have now? I am 18 years old… and within those years I’ve seen this country changed so fast like I was living already for 50 years in our country.

It’s not our Government who’s having a problem, but those who were running this Government.

Sabihin niyo nga, diba tayo ang mas ginagalang dapat ng mga opisyal na yan, at hindi sila ang tintreat na V.I.P…

this country is Democratic, meaning rule by the people,and we have our freedom, wag naman sanang gawing Dictatorial o authoritarian ang country natin.



Ashley

to Darthvader

Wag mong itulad ang lahat ng tao sa’yo! If u are patriotic, you’ll think of your country and not your tummy!



ako

Kung meron mang tinakot si trillanes sa kanyang ginawa hindi ako yun, hindi rin ikaw yun glenda, at hindi rin yung mga kapitbahay mo. yun ay walang iba kundi ang mga tiwaling opisyal ng ating pamahalaan. Pagpapakita na kahit napakahusay nilang magtago sa likod ng batas, kaya pa rin natin silang tuligsahin.

Natakot ba kayo sa ginawa ni trillanes?



boboy

for ako:
takot then siguro yung mga tenant sa building na linagyan nila ng bomba…kahit siguro ikaw if you’re in the building matatakot ka din siguro…



glenda

for kabayan:
corruption is a crime but that doesn’t mean you counter it with another crime if it does then we will have civil war, crime against crime….but just don’t stop on corruption because what trillanes did is also wrong and it’s a crime…so keeping him in jail will serve justice…for the administration…their time for justice will come…if you can’t wait then do what you think is the right thing and sue them…it is as simple as that…



darthvader

for ashley:
“you’ll think of your country and not your tummy!” — cge ipakita mo na patriot ka, stop working and making money and start your hunger protest…walk your talk please….

for kabayan:
good for you…but it’s just talk, pure vanilla…i expect a different reaction when you’re really offered which i dont think you will be…



ako

Si trillanes ay isa nang senador ng republika ng pilipinas. Ayun sa ating batas, hindi lang yung bomoto sa kanya ang kailangan nyang paglingkuran kundi ang buong pilipinas.

Si trillanes ay malinaw na itinalaga bilang isang senador ng ating saligang batas hindi lang ng 11 milyong botante.

paano poprotektahan ng ating hustisya ang 85 milyong pilipino kung hustisya mismo babali sa itinalaga ng ating saligang batas?

hindi makatarungan na pigilan ni pimentel si trillanes na magawa nito ang kanyang tunkulin bilang senador dahil hindi siya ang nagtalaga kay trillanes, kundi ang ating saligang batas. Ito ay pag labag na may kaukulang parusa. si pimentel ang ikulong hindi si trillanes, d ba?



Kabayan

Darthvader,

It seems that it’s hard for you to believe that a person would not sell his soul for a hundred million or even billions of dollars.

This is a reflection of a slowly corrupting society when many of its citizens makes money their God.

In any case if that is your belief, then darthvader, how much do you price your own soul? Please enlighten me and the rest of the bloggers on this.

And oh by the way, I hate vanilla.



boboy

For Ako:
Trillanes committed a crime, him being voted as a senator does not absolve him from the crime he committed. Pimentel belongs to judiciary and knows more than you…why should i believe you when you are not even in a position to interpret the law…puro hakahaka lang…if in your neighborhood ok lang na magkabit ng bomba sa mga building tapos para ma abswelto run for a barangay captain…i don’t want to be a part of it…he must serve prison first before he do his mandate as a senator…



Kabayan

As I said glenda, there are double standards in governance. If Trillanes is in jail then by all means hordes of top people responsible for ill governance, those who did cover-up even in the halls of Congress, those who attempted to run roughshod over our democracy and those who actually destroyed our electoral system through systematic fraud and corruption should be among those languishing in jail. In fact, if corrupt in power are languishing in jail for crimes they committed at the outset, Trillanes would not have done what he did in the first place.

Check out my list above to know the corrupt within the folds or at least protected by those who govern.

Remember, if society starts voting for someone in prison, it is a sign that a government is on the rocks indeed.

Oh there will be justice for the corrupt and abusive in power alright, in fact it is already happening. It starts with those who begin to have ill health, problems in business and family. There will be more and it would not stop until they start rejecting money, influence, hubris and power as their god.

If not, rest assured, there will be more.

Despite this, however, we as citizens must still push through to reject what is wrong in society no matter how highly placed these evil might be. It is here where it will be known where we truly stand.



bakersfield

for kabayan:
you sound so self righteous…you’re too good to be true…



bilko

For Ako:
Si Pimentel ay Judge and he decided according to what is in the constitution. Ikaw ay hindi judge so you have no authority to interpret the constitution…kung hindi mo gusto ang hatol hala cge mag judge ka na lang…



abe

kung si trillanes mabubulok sa bilanguan, tayong mga pilpino naman ay habang buhay na mabubulok sa mga kasinungalingan at kasamaan ng ating gobyerno. papayag ka ba?



Perfecto

I just find it odd when ‘Kabayan’ invoked God, purity of soul and good values but he’s okay with trillanes planting bombs and threatening people…tsk tsk tsk….



Delrey

Kabayan, you want others who you said ran roughshod over our electoral system jailed then by all means press charges against them. I’m with you there but you cannot condone what Trillanes did just because others like him went scot free. I do not condone either how others like Honasan who was accused with Trillanes was set free. I agree that double standards or special treatment exists in our political system, but be that as it may politics is dirty and politicians succumb to immoral if not illegal ways if they find them politically expedient. Like it or not, that’s how the game is played. This is the sad reality about politics for which you cannot single out the country alone. It exists almost everywhere. Not just in the primitive ways they are done in third world countries but even more creatively intricate in the first world.

You said Trillanes would not have done what he did if the corrupt leaders were in jail. There is no justification whatsoever to take arms and attempt to remove a constitutional government. Trillanes knew rebellion is a criminal offense. He knew rebellion is a crime if he fails but not if he succeeds so he took the risk counting heavily that Erap’s masa would come out to precipitate mass support. Erap’s promised support did not materialize. Now Trillanes must suffer the consequences. His being elected to the Senate is not enough reason that he should be treated like a senator. Justice must be served first.

Honasan’s saving grace - call it the DOJ’s political spin - is that he was not at the coup scene and the accusations against him by his co-conspirators were deemed disputably as hearsay; whereas, Trillanes was visibly present at Oakwood and indisputably in full command of his 300 troops. Nothing can be more eivdent than that.



Kabayan

Bakersfield,

We just have to do what we have to do. Sometimes we have to speak out to change a society which is surrendering to corrupt and abusive practices. Yes money is becoming the god of many.

When people who unequivocally reject corruption become rare as diamonds, then society and our race has much to worry about.

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Remember God doesn’t always come in nicely, Perfecto. When He has to, he comes in severely. He did once call in the Flood.

While some may rail on Trillianes planting bombs and scaring some especially the corrupt in power, we must realize that the administration has much to answer in their worse acts they had committed against democracy and the basic rights of the Filipino people.

Check out:

http://inquirerbloggers.net/eleksyon2007/2007/07/31/justice-and-common-sense/



Darthvader

For Kabayan:
I have to agree with bakersfield on the self-righteous thing…you ask me for my price…well well as long as it is about the future of my family im willing to trade what i have…and oh, you hate vanilla huh? you are one…



Kabayan

Darthvader,

Thanks for your answer, it is interesting for me to know that there are people willing to be bribed and be bought and later to give these ill gotten gains to their family. At the very least you are honest about it. It’s good to know where you stand on corruption issues.

However darthvader, if there is the dark side then there is also the side of light; I am just as honest with you when I said that I would not exchange my soul for billions of dollars of bribe money as you are honest with me that you are willing to be bribed just as long as you give the money to your family.

But as I laid it out in front of you, corruption is wrong and would strongly advise you against doing it. However, as we are all given free-will, it is up to you whether you pursue this kind of principle or not.

I am just saying this so when the time comes, it cannot be reasoned that you were not informed to turn away from this evil in this life. Good luck.



ako

Let the trial continue.
Trillanes motion was not to absolve him from mutiny, but to allow him fully execute his duty as a senator



ako

Trillanes was legally mandated by law as a senator.
Then why should we break the law by stopping him executes his duty.

Law is not only for you my friend; not even for Pimentel; we have to understand and interpret it in a way our nation will prosper. It’s for 85 million Filipino craving for corruption free government.



Kabayan

Delrey,

What they intend to do is to stonewall Senator Trillanes and prevent him to do his duties as a Senator of the republic. It’s simple as that; all this so that the corrupt can carry on their evil ways in governance. They know that it’s hard to put Trillanes in their pocket so they do everything to prevent Senator Trillanes to function in his duty as a Senator.

Secondly, is the present Executive branch a truly constitutional government? With what they did in the Garci inquiry where the magkaKAMPI quashed any investigation on the electoral anomalies, this leaves much room to doubt the constitutionality of Gloria in her current position. Why do you think she attempted to destroy Philippine democracy in the first place? The pattern of her numerous dictatorial type Executive Orders points to the direction on what kind of government she attempted to get… an Authoritarian one. If there are elements responsible for actual VERY SERIOUS attempts to derail the Philippine constitution, it is administration

As I said, the executive has much to answer in flaunting the constitution of our country. Check out:

http://inquirerbloggers.net/eleksyon2007/2007/07/31/justice-and-common-sense/



Darthvader

Kabayan:
I am not Pro or Anti Admin, I don’t care who sits there. Corruption/bribing are wrong I agree with you there, So is trillanes planting bombs and scaring people…the issue here is keeping trillanes in jail and I fully agree because he did something wrong, he can’t serve the senate until he is cleared because he broke the law pure and simple whatever his intention is…If someone in the government is jailed because of corruption or bribery or election cheating…im okay with it because he did something wrong…I respect your views even if it contradicts mine…Im just looking at what is real and practical for me and my family to get by…it’s not noble but at least we live…peace bro…



Perfecto

Halu Kabayan:
“Remember God doesn’t always come in nicely, Perfecto. When He has to, he comes in severely. He did once call in the Flood.” — Maybe this is what the Administration also think…maybe they don’t always come nicely but in the end we’ll see the result…not now maybe 2010…



Bilko

For Kabayan and DarthVader:
I understand your point of view Darthvader, there are many people like you na practical…we can see it everyday…mga prosti, bugaw, thief, robbers…although these people commit wrongful acts you cant blame them for doing it because it’s the only thing they know for them to live or survive…why dont’ we help these people first?



Bert

To: Perfecto

Hi, Perfecto. Very strange analogy you’ve got there. Just like saying God and the administration doing evil things to attain some results. I hope and pray there are better ways to obtaining results.



Perfecto

hi Bert:
The credit is not mine, it’s kabayan’s justifying the act of trillanes as maybe the acts of God. Using it in behalf of the people he accuses of doing the same worse act in the administration.



Kabayan

True enough the Philippine environment is not very conducive to honesty, where each and every step of processes and bureaucracy is mired in corruption. But in the end we just have to do what we have to do to push for a better Philippines and better moral standards in society.

Bilko,

It is a good point that we need to help out our fellow countrymen who because of the system, or habit, or desperation are pressured to commit crimes. And then the eventual point, how to help them out and for the truly recalcitrant, how to stop them.

As for the system, potentially the most capable organizations to tackle changes in this would be the government, large private charities from companies, and Non-government Organizations (NGOs). They must have the will to truly help and do this honestly and with integrity; otherwise the organizations in question would simply be teaching the people how to cheat and be corrupt.

That is why groups like Gawad Kalinga can be qualified to do this while a Columbian Drug Cartel is not. That is also the reason why government, being a potentially qualified source of help, should by example lead by honesty and integrity. That is also the main reason I am hammering them to stop corrupt acts and protecting selfish interests lest a system be made that would tempt or pressure honest citizens in need to do wrong. I hope at this point the administration and bureaucracy could understand this as much.

Crimes or corruption coming out from desperation is a more difficult thing to stop especially when the need is great. There are different kinds of desperate straits and it may vary in intent like, a man needing money to pay for a sick daughter who is being held by a hospital as a virtual hostage (until paid) or a drug addict needing to fill his physiological and psychological needs of a hit from shabu or some other illegal drugs.

Desperation caused by temporary dire situations (like the daughter in the hospital scenario) can be resolved in the long term through better laws and programs which would help the person to attain either better health services or better job, skill and self employment opportunities. On the other hand, an addict might have to be caught and rehabilitated of his drug dependence AND taught skills that may be used to employ himself once the addict gets out of prison. In both instances however, still the government, private company charities, and NGOs are most qualified to help. AGAIN honesty and integrity must be present in these organizations lest they spread corruption among those whom they help or WORSE, the funds would be largely lost in some politician’s or bureaucrat’s pocket to be used in wasteful luxuries like Sports cars, multiple mansions, loose women, carousing, guns, goons and future election campaign war chest.

Crimes and corruption cause by habit is the most difficult of all to remove as there is an actual psychological dependence on it and the mind is geared towards committing this and have closed their options to other alternatives. While alternative self-help programs such as skill development MAY help them see the light, more often they devolve back to their wayward ways until they are killed, caught AND jailed, or rendered incapable of further doing the crime. Usually the jail, cemetery or simply being rendered physically incapable of committing these crimes are the only option which will stop them. Interestingly enough, drug addiction fall into both categories of crime caused by Desperation and Habit. Corrupt politicians, men in uniform and administrators used to the good life maintained through procuring ill gotten wealth are those that fall into this crime by habit category.

Some of those who commit crime can indeed be helped and rehabilitated, that I agree. There are those crimes however that are more psychological and habitual in nature that until the criminal (whether the regular robber or the corrupt politician in power) is jailed or rendered incapable of committing crimes, would continue on their criminal and corrupt habits.

In conclusion, there are criminals that can be “turned” by giving them opportunities while there are those who are habitually dependent that needs to be jailed and rehabilitated at the same time.

In all cases however, the government and its employees being the most capable organization that could create programs to lessen or even eradicate to a large extent criminality in society must be the EXAMPLE when they create this programs so that they have the moral authority to teach the wayward to get better skills, livelihood and opportunities.

IF those in the top level of governance are themselves morally bereft and are actually the ones PROPAGATING crime, fraud and corruption then they are actually doing the very OPPOSITE of teaching the people to live morally upright lives.

We must indeed help our countrymen so that they can find better opportunities in this life and reduce the temptations of corruption. The government on the other hand must also be the EXAMPLE and the one leading this program augmented by private company charities and NGOs. Therefore those in government MUST clean up their act and remove the undesirables from their midst from Top to Bottom. If they do not, well it would either be the people who will make them do it or worse for them if the Big Guy start cracking bones of those who insist on propagating evil acts.



darthvader

This is link is one example that someone has to abandon some principle just to get by:

Iraqi women: Prostituting ourselves to feed our children

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/15/iraq.prostitution/index.html



Kabayan

Perfecto,

You must remember that God is just and the punishments meted to us mortals is either what we deserve or part of a divine plan which will benefit us in the end.

On the other hand, the administration is willfully making criminal acts by twisting the spirit of the laws and willful manipulations, among them through the injudicious use of Executive Orders.

Let us not compare the ways of the Philippine Executive branch with the ways of God. I have a distinct feeling He would not like it.



Kabayan

Darthvader,

I hope and pray someday that better alternatives be shown to you and you family. Sometimes however we must have the will to find ways to get out of a predicament. There are people I know that have been in a situation which pressures them to a point where they would have to “wheel and deal” lest their very superiors would kick them out of lack of “pakikisama”. Consequently some of the left for a better environment. Not necessarily high paying but at least more noble.

On Trillanes, well legal terms he might not have followed the law as we know it; however the administration itself is not following the law by not allowing Trillanes to perform his Senatorial functions. While the administration might say that they are implementing the law by putting Trillanes in jail, they too must follow the law that Trillanes must function as a Senator of the Philippines. And by the administration’s claim that they supposedly judiciously follow the law, they should take care of very important breaches in the constitution as I have listed in: http://inquirerbloggers.net/eleksyon2007/2007/07/31/justice-and-common-sense/



Kabayan

Darthvader,

Very sad indeed for those prostitutes, it is a social problem that their government, NGOs and their citizens should solve. To a certain extent, being the occupying force, the US must also pitch in to solve this problem in Iraq.



Kabayan

Perfecto,

What Trillanes did may not be an act of God but rather more of an act of consequence caused by administration mismanagement in allowing corruption to permeate in the AFP without proper grievance adjudication mechanisms. This is not the first time it happened so they should have instituted proper grievance adjudication measures without corrupt generals to pull the blinders on those who report corruption in their ranks.

The administration itself too looks the other way if influential people are doing illegal acts withing their very ranks, hence a double standard in the governance.



Perfecto

Kabayan:
“Let us not compare the ways of the Philippine Executive branch with the ways of God. I have a distinct feeling He would not like it.” — so does what trillanes did when he threatened tenants and plant bombs and disrupts…don’t justify that it’s God’s will because He would not also like it.



Delrey

Ako, if I may quote you, “… Trillanes was legally mandated by law as a senator.
Then why should we break the law by stopping him executes his duty.”

If we try to give it some serious thought, Trillanes has committed a very serious criminal offense of rebellion which is a non-bailable capital offense. As you suggested we should not break the law and it is precisely this that the law must be adhered to implicitly.

Trillanes is facing prosecution in accordance with law. That law is quite specific as it says no special treatment or privileges be given to the accused. There is nothing in the law that says an accused be given special favors or considerations if he is elected to serve in any public office.

This country is governed by law and without exception there should be no ifs and buts about it. True, Trillanes has the mandate of 11 million people who voted for him. But true also that much greater number of people than that, out of 45 million registered voters, did not give him that mandate. If the rule of the majority is followed under the principle of majority rules, Trillanes should not serve in the Senate.

However, we prefer to follow the rule of law which in this instance the law requires the accused to remain in jail until he is proven innocent. He cannot be bailed because he is charged with a capital offense. If just because he has won a seat in the Senate is the reason that he should be given special privileges and we allow this to happen then we are in fact contradicting ourselves as we become law breakers too.

Trillanes was already in jail when he decided to run for public office. He knew he may not be allowed to serve if he won, but he ran anyway. He should not be allowed to break the law again by demanding some privileges just because he won.

Trillanes loves to take risks and ignores the consequences of his action. Just like when he risked pulling that failed Oakwood coup confident of success because of the financial support and the vaunted masa to be provided by Erap. The financials came but not the warm bodies.

Trillanes portrays a trait of ‘bahala na’ mentally which does not reflect the persona of a good budding leader. He was voted for the wrong reasons. He and the rest of the Erap sponsored senatorial candidates were voted to repudiate an unpopular president and not on the strength of any remarkable achievements. Enough turmoil is brewing already among the power-tripping presidential/vice presidential wannabes in the Senate and Trillanes if he’s there can make it turn to worse.



MC_90

Guys, obviously we all want the same thing, and that is to see our country move on for the better, to eliminate corruption, to have a better government and to make our people live a much better life. However, I really dont think we can obtain our goals by bieckering and debating for and against our political idols. This is exactly what the politicians wanted us to do. After so many years of changing political leaders…nothing has changed..including the fact that all of them (opposition and administration) have done nothing to really seriously make things better. After marcos, there cam cory, then FVR, then ERAP then GMA…the common thing is, they all talked about reforms..they all talked about prosperity of the filipino people…and we, the people always thought and believed they were telling the truth…but the result is more obvious than the words that came out of their mouths.

I think, its time for the poeple to unite…since our politicians will never stop with their political warfare..we the people, should start doing things in a united manner…if we here in this blog, cant even have one voice, one cause, one idea…even if we have one goal..we will never be able to achieve such goal…WE WILL ALL END UP FIGHTING FOR OUR IDOLS WHO ARE NOT EVEN WORTH IT!!!

Corruption doesnt bring down a country…its the way a government implements the system that brings down a country…this is the reason why we have politicians who have pending cases in court that are still in the govt or other political positions.



MC_90

If causing havoc and killing inocent lives becomes justifiable just so one can realize his/her goals…then that person is no different than the islamic extermists…

and you cannot compare this to a woman resorting to prostitution just so she can feed her children…



MC_90

Kabayan,

Dont forget that the oppostion today were also the administration during the time of erap…and I dont think they have done something for the people…and until now, you have oppositions in congress and senate…i dnt think they have done something either…instead..nakakatulong pa sila sa paglala ng problema ng pilipinas…

What im saying is, and my position has not changed…ADMINISTRATION OR OPPOSITION…PAREHO LANG SILANG LAHAT!!!

kaya tigil na natin ang pagdedebate kung sino ang kurakot at sino ang hindi, dahil lahat sila kurakot..at lahat sila wala pang nagawang extraordinary para palaguin ang pilipinas….

instead…maging objective tayo kung ano ba talaga ang kailangan para maging maayos ang ating bansa…AT HINDI KUNG SINO ANG KAILANGAN PARA MAGPATAKBO NG ATING BANSA..



clipmaster

be a good senator boy…………

adhere to the rule of law……..

kulong ka hanggang mapatunayang mong hindi ka guilty…….

walang special treatment, galit ang mga coup plotters sa may mga preveliheyong kakaiba……



Perfecto

Kabayan:
I’m just using your analogy in justifying trillanes act that it maybe and act of God - Which I also have a distinct feeling He would not like it.

Like you said — “Even if there are differences in value there is no difference whether you steal a needle from a dress shop or money from a bank, in the end it is still stealing.” — Trillanes committed a crime, even how small it will be compared to the alleged crime of the administration he still committed it and he deserves to be punished and in jail…



Kabayan

Perfecto,

Given your logic Perfecto then much of the people in the administration and their allies who committed acts inimical to Philippine democracy not to mention multitudes of crimes should be in jail as well. And what’s the score right now? Please answer the 30 or so lists I have stated above. Certainly there are double standards in governance. Meanwhile, special treatment are given to those who have sucked up to Gloria.

Ill governance in the administration produced a Trillanes, those who mismanaged the executive branch should first be made answerable to their growing crimes against the Philippine people and democracy. The supposed crime of Trillanes is a direct consequence of the 30 or so crimes listed above.

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MC_90,

Gusto mong objective para talagang maging maayos ang ating bansa?

Then remove the corrupt from governance. Continually expose attempts to derail Philippine democracy. Watch and protest the attempts of the trapos who would attempt to change the laws for their own selfish ends and the ends of their allies. That is a good start.

Currently we should concentrate on those who are corrupt and hold the reins of power. That is why the focus would be those in the ruling power. It does not stop there MC_90, even if the corrupt in position would eventually end its stay in power, the new batch should also be put in the same if not stricter scrutiny. That’s the way it is. Remember the price of freedom is eternal vigilance.

Umm just curious, who actually caused havoc and killed innocent lives MC_90?

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Delrey,

It’s simple really. Allow Trillanes to serve his term as Senator as chosen by the Filipino electorate and mandated by law. The administration is moving heaven and earth not to let him serve his term or block attempts for him to serve as a check against abuses in governance. Even now, there is a recent brewing issue that the beheaded Marines were actually “fed” to the enemy. A repeat of the Lamitan incident which was NEVER resolved in the first place.



ako

Serving his duty as a senator is not a special privilege, it’s a mandate.



Kabayan

Delrey,

To quote from you Delrey: “True, Trillanes has the mandate of 11 million people who voted for him. But true also that much greater number of people than that, out of 45 million registered voters, did not give him that mandate. If the rule of the majority is followed under the principle of majority rules, Trillanes should not serve in the Senate.”

Oh by the way, since Gloria “won” only a fraction of the Filipino votes, then by your logic, then by majority rules Gloria shouldn’t serve as Philippine president. (Aside from the fact, for other darker reasons, that her “win” is still questionable in the first place) ;)



Fred S.

Who really has the mandate? GMA became president by grabbing power from ERAP who had the mandate from the people.

She likewise got HER REELECTION BID by snatching the mandate from FPJ witrh the help of Garcillano’s ONE MILLION MAGIC VOTES.

Now Trillanes has the mandate from 11 million Filipinos but GMA would not let him sit to serve because she might all of a sudden be out of job.

If GMA really really thinks she has the mandate of the people, why is she scared of Trillanes exposing her behind the scenes “extra constitutional affairs” with the Generals and the Comelec Commissioners?



Jonjon

“Sayang ang talino ni Senador Trillanes, kasalanan ni Judge Pimentel ‘yan.”

We need the idea of Senator Trillanes in the Senate when it comes to Lawmaking. He’s young, talented and energetic. I beg Judge Pimentel to please allow Senator Trillanes to perform his duty as Senator.

“Marami siyang alam na dapat pakinabangan natin. Ano ba kayo, parang hindi nakakaunawa sa BATAS natin? Ang dami nyong satsatttt…”



ormocanon

Devon said,
“…Trillanes is not
convicted yet and that he remains innocent. Ano ba nagawa ni Trillanes?”

Diyos na mahabagin Devon, hindi mo ba napanood live on tv ang pinaggagawa ng mga yan doon sa Oakwood?

Did it ever occur to you that the moment the Philippine economy is poised for take off, some righteous jerk somehow manages to sabotage the whole thing and scare off foreign investors?



Fred S.

The Oakwood Mutiny fiasco where Trillanes was deeply involved in is just a symptom of a social CANCER that has been ruining the Political, Social and Economic Health of the Nation.

Putting Trillanes in jail will not remove the cancer, it will just make the cancer grow more and spread faster that would eventually lead to the ultimate death of Democracy in the country.

In the meantime, what the Government of Arroyo is doing is just working on temporary relieve by providing sedatives that can treat the symptoms but not the root cause of the problem which is the cancer in the Filipino Society. Such sedatives would refer to the HSA and EO464. What the government should do is to address the cancer and do a painful surgery once and for all if we want the health of the nation restored.



ako

kay ormocanon;
mahabagin ka dyan! napanood mo yung ginawa ni trillanes sa oakwod, yung katarantaduhan ng mga nakakaraming opisyal natin di mo napapanood, di mo nararamdaman at wala kang pakialam



Bert

To: Fred S.

Hi, Fred! Treating cancer is an exercise in futility. Please be reminded that there is no known cure for cancer yet.



Bert

To: Ormocanon

Hi, Orms! What drove the foreign investors away was this administration not honoring their contract with Fraport/Piatco in building our airport.



Perfecto

For Kabayan:
Trillanes committed a crime, pure and simple. He deserves to be in jail…

Like you said — “Even if there are differences in value there is no difference whether you steal a needle from a dress shop or money from a bank, in the end it is still stealing….”

I also agree with you that there are things that this administration do that are not right, but that doesn’t mean that you let some criminal serve the people. Double Standard din ‘yan on your end….



Kabayan

ormocannon,

A well being of society does not depend on foreign investments alone. Society should also be free from those who destroy it through graft, corruption, cover-ups, abuse of power and wicked people in governance.

Check out the more telling abuses listed at:
http://inquirerbloggers.net/eleksyon2007/2007/07/31/justice-and-common-sense/



ako

Basahin nyo ulit to!
Pimentel upheld the prosecution claim that the Department of Justice, “as the prosecuting arm of the government, its shield and sword of law and order, represents not only the 11,138,067 voters who voted for him (Trillanes), but the people of the Philippines, with all its 85 million citizens and counting.”

malinaw na si pimentel ay nagkamali.
Ang naging basehan niya ay 11,138,067 voters against 85 million citizens.

Pimentel must realized that when trillanes proclaimed and pledged as a senator, trillanes is representing 85 million citizens.

Dapat siguro sinabi niya,”shield and sword of law and order represents not only 85 million citizens but the people of the philippines, with all its 85 million citizens and counting”, kaya lang mukhang katawa tawa naman di ba?

But that is the truth.



MC_90

Trillanes is a joke…just like escudero…cayetano..and all those sitting right now in the senate and in congress….and you know who else are jokes???? YOU!!!! YOU who continuosly tell people about how much they can do to change our country for the better…YOU who keeps on tellin gus here how HONEST AND SINCERE they are to serve our country…YEAH…ALL OF YOU ARE JOKES…You dont even know this guys…you dont even share a dinner or breakfast with people…AND YOU TALK LIKE YOU ARE 101% SURE OF WHAT KIND OF POLITICIANS THEY ARE???

Susmaryosep!!!!!



ormocanon

to ikaw:

Napanood din yung iba; eh ano ngayon? its beyond my control…bakit ko problemahin ang mga bagay na hindi ko kontrolado, eh, ma-high blood lang ako.

Isang bagay lang ang kontrolado ko tungkol dyan at yan ay ang boto ko.

Siyanga pala, may napansin ako; tila yata mas may alam ka tungkol sa batas kaysa kay judge Pimentel ah.
judge ka rin seguro, ano…

Bert, I must admit I’m not too familiar about the details regarding Fraport/Piatco. All
I knew about it was, the new airport got mothballed.

kabayan said, “A well being of society does not depend on foreign investments alone…” that’s a good point kabayan and thanks for the link.



ormocanon

para kay ikaw:(na nagpakilalang “ako”)

Nakalimutan kong sabihin sa ‘yo, hindi ko ibinoto si Trillanes;

…hindi ko rin ibinoto sina Escudero at Cayetano.

Ang tatlong gusto ko sanang manalo na mga kandidato ay natalo.

Sila ay sina Zosimo Paredes, Martin Bautista, at Adrian Sison na bumuo ng Kapatiran Party.

Sa tatlong huling pangalang binanggit ko ay seguro alam mo na kung ano at kaninong plataporma ang nagustuhan ko.



Kabayan

Hmm, actually I consider Judge Pimentel’s logic on electoral mandate of the Filipino people (Where did Pimentel learn his Social Political Science anyway:lol) and the Dept. of Injustice itself as a bigger joke. True a cruel joke for the Filipino people, but a joke nevertheless. :)



glenda

Kabayan:
The issue here as in the header is “jailing trillanes” bacause of what he did…you mentioned and narrate 30 plus list of the administrations wrong doing…okay…what about trillanes…planting bombs, scaring people, threatening/evicting the landlords of the house he rented as per mr. tulfo’s report…can you give me the list of what mr. trillanes did good? I think if I also compare it with what the government did good…the government will have much longer list….point here is wag kang mag lista ng one sided…maglista ka ng…’what the government did good?’, ‘what the government did bad?’, ‘what trillanes did good?’ and ‘what trillanes did bad? para ma compare natin…kasi…kung makalista ka parang walang nagawang tama ang gobyerno natin…



ako

you are really a big joke mc_90
puro ka dakdak tungkol a mga lider natin di mo naman pala sila kilala.
what a big big joke!



MC_90

Glenda….intindihin mo yan si Kabayan….kalahating tao lang yan…kalahati na pahalang….isang side lang nakikita nya hahahahahahaha

ang gusto nilang sabihin…lahat ng nasa gobyerno ngayon eh magnanakaw, mandaraya at mga demonoyo….samanatalang ang mga idol nila sobrang bait…at walang ginagawang masama…

ISA LANG ANG NAKIKITA KONG TOTOO AT WALANG DUDA….AT YUN AY ANG TAGUMPANY NG OPPOSITION NA LOKOHIN ANG MGA TULAD NI KABAYAN HAHAHAHAHAHA



ako

naproklama siya bilang senador, ibonoto nyo man o hindi kilalanin nyo sya at hayaang makapaglingkod bilang senador.
be a good citizen folks not a big jokes.

Pimentel was really a big joke on our judiciary. He refused to acknowledge the senator of 85 million citizens

alalahanin nyo kasama kayo sa 85 million citizens na yan. wag nyo sabihin hindi kayo Pilipino.



MC_90

Ako…ikaw o sino ka man…

Di ka ba nagbabasa…wala akong sinabing kilala ko sila personally….PERO ALAM KO NA WALA SILANG NAGAWANG MABUTI PARA MAPAAYOS ANG BANSA NATIN…NGAYON KUNG HINDI MO ALAM ITO…EWAN KO LANG KUNG ANO DAPAT ITAWAG MO SA SARILI MO…

Puro dakdak???? Eh ano ba ang ginagawa sa BLOG???? Di ba magdakdak???? Di ka ba bobo? hahahahahahahahaha

wala kang pinag iba sa mga INUTIL na mga POLITIKO!!!!

Meron ka ba alam na BLOG site na hindi pwede magdakdak? siguro meron ka alam BLOG site na pwede magrally at magmarcha …hahahahahahah



Bert

To: Ormocanon again

Just to give you a brief overview of the Fraport/Piatco affair. Fraport is a German company. The government entered into a contract then let Fraport/Piatco build the airport. It’s almost finish now, and not mothballed. If I’m not mistaken, the agreement was ‘build, operate, transfer’, meaning that the builder will build the airport at no cost to the government, but they will operate after the completion, then transfer the function of operation to our government after so many years when the cost of building has been recovered. Something like that, if I’m not mistaken. Suddenly, when the airport is almost finish, some government people decided that they want to operate the new airport themselves, so kicked out Fraport/Piatco. Here’s some tsika related to that, just to show you why they drove the investors away, as an example. In one gathering, where JDV and the German ambassador attended recently (I read this in the newspaper), JDV, in a gesture of goodwill, had mentioned to the German ambassador that maybe the German Chancellor Angela Merkel should visit the Philippines and see us, blah, blah….. Something like that. To that remark by JDV the German ambassador answered the speaker right then and there-something like this: ‘Until the Fraport matter is settled rightly, our Chancellor will never set foot on this country’. You have to understand, Orms, that I’m not very good at recollection so might not done justice to what I read in the newspaper, but I hope you get the drift. Do you now know who drove the investors away?



Kabayan

Hi glenda,

Everyone are welcome to list the things what the government did good or bad or for that matter what Trillanes did good or bad. You have the freedom to initiate it in the first place.

Okay for you glenda, I’ll start,:)

For sections of government that did good are those who have been active in wanting to show anomalies in government. There are a few who are doing this and we need more.

The governor of Pampanga has done a good job for now. He had turned a once corruption ridden quarrying syndicate into a fund generating activity which can be used for projects for the people of Pampanga.

Electric jeeps now ply Makati, next step should be these jeeps be produced locally instead of importing fully constructed units. More of this should be installed in other cities in Metro Manila and other cities.

There you have some, you’re welcome to add more. ;)

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MC_90,

Heheh, nakalimutan mo rin ibanggit na di rin ako pwedeng maloko ng mga writers ng Ehekutibo na kunwari ay tinitira ang dalawang magkatunggaling panig, pero ang puso pala ay talagang die-hard administrasyon.

Ang magandang punto dito eh, kung sino ba ang tunay na naloloko ng administrasyon ;)



ormocanon

Okay Bert, if you say so, thanks for the info; however, I guess I’ll have to do some research of my own to connect the dots, so to speak.



glenda

For Kabayan:

Good Government :
1. Ordering crackdown on druglords
2. Ordering crackdown on smugglers
3. Keeping Trillanes in jail for the terror he sowed bringing his colleagues with him.
4. Raising economic standard
5. All out war with Abu Sayyaf

Bad Government :
1. Corrupt
2. Patronage politics
3. Laws with no teeth
4. Turncoats
5. Cheats

Good Trillanes:
1. Ideals
2. Dreams

Bad Trillanes :
1. Planting Bombs
2. Threatening Landowners
3. Disrupting peace
4. Wrong delivery of message
5. War Freak



ormocanon

Meron lang akong nais itanong kay “ako”.

Ano kaya kung doon ka nakatira sa Oakwood ng mga sandaling ‘yon na pinaligiran nila Trillanes ng bomba ang buong building?

Sa palagay ko, iba ang pinagsasabi mo ngayon.

Sa wari ko, magpapasalamat kay judge Pimentel tungkol dyan sa decision nya.



perfecto

For Kabayan:
What can you say about the dutch government jailing JOMA?…they don’t just arrest people if they don’t have basis…that would mean that it may not only the admin who are doing extra judicial killing of activists and journalist but also the left for their ex-supporters and comrades…



Kabayan

There you go glenda, of course I have also previously listed the 30+ critical things that the executive has yet to answer. Of course there is their constant hiding behind the cover-up E.O. 464.

Again to point it out, the problem with them keeping Trillanes in jail is primarily double standards of government on which people they put to jail and those who committed crimes but continue to protect. Sa madaling salita, namimili sila kung sino ang ilalagay sa kulungan at kung sino ang tutulungan nilang tumakas o protektahan maski may kasalanan. Of course there are also their constant efforts to prevent Trillanes from performing his role in the Senate.

The Executive should remember that Trillanes won despite all that was thrown at him like preventing him from campaigning and not to mention the fraud manipulations in the Maguindanao and Lanao “magic”; yet he won as the majority of the Filipinos genuinely want him to be Senator while on the other hand Gloria’s win is still in question thanks to their constant efforts to cover-up the events surrounding electoral fraud particularly in areas of Mindanao.

Since this issue was not resolved, predictably this was repeated this recent elections with the issues surrounding Bedol (Who was also mentioned in the Garci inquiry and cover-up), the murder of Musa Dimasidsing, and the continuing electoral fraud anomalies in Maguindanao and Lanao provinces.

These are the salient points which are actually making a sham of elections and democratic institutions not to mention aiding and abetting criminality itself caused or at least allowed by top officials of the nation.



MC_90

Glenda….very well written…BUT, the unfortunate part is:

Good Government — not true in our kind of politics

Bad Government — THis is the kind of politics our existing politicians are very good at..kahit nakapikit sila…

Trillanes??? WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY!!!!!



glenda

For Kabayan:
I think the senate is working on the GMA issue…whatever she does to solve it…is what you call defense…kung ikaw ibubuko wala ka bang gagawin para mapigilan toh…common sense bro…..GMA is smart…Back to trillanes…he aint smart enough enough…yeah he was voted im with you there…but he committed a crime first before he was voted…so let him serve the jail sentence first before he serve the people…it’s up to his defense council or whatever you call it how he can get away with it….if he can then i can say he’s also smart…



storeowner

All,
Can I sue trillanes, because of the revenue/opportunity and sales that i lost that day because my store was closed since it’s near the building he wired with bombs? Can he refund the hospital bill of my neighbor who was hospitalized because of heart attack due to terror?



MC_90

Perfecto…if I may comment on your question about joma’s arrest….

I support the arrest of joma…for the longest time..after the marcos era..joma and his group has been nothing but a nuisance and anti-government (regardless of whoever is running the government)..they call themselves for the people…but the fact is his group are also robbing the poeple located in the remote areas…

I think its time to finally deal with him and his group…and erase them in our society!!!!



Kabayan

perfecto,

Not really that informed about the Dutch and their laws. Much less on Joma Sison. However, as in all cases, they have to explain their actions why they arrested him.



Perfecto

For Kabayan:
Dutch Explanation in progress….;)



Kabayan

Hi glenda,

Well Gloria may be worldly smart but she is also using her intelligence to destroy democracy and has intense tendencies to perpetuate herself and the rest of her kaKAMPIs indefinitely, by whatever means necessary whether right or wrong.

Actually its pretty funny but true, it has always been the style of those who have a grip or an alliance with of those in COMELEC to delay investigations of thousands of cases of electoral cheating and the complainant is extremely lucky if he or she would replace the cheater at all and serve one day in governance.

The same old trapo tactic is being tried upon Trillanes. Put roadblocks to prevent him from serving his term of office. Have him serve his sentence then serve? That’s putting the cart before the horse, and that is exactly the same tactic being used against those who were victims of electoral fraud.

The “Delay until there is no time to serve in office” strategy. A severe error in our electoral system and a way to perpetuate those who got their positions through illegal means.

How many times have you seen this being done in your lifetime glenda? This was especially severe during the time of the Marcos regime and is enjoying a vigorous resurgence now during this period.



Kabayan

Of course glenda, the administration has yet to answer the cover-ups and crimes involving their top officials, their allies, and minions. This by the way is directly tied to the reason why Trillanes won, despite all odds, in the last Senatorial election.



ako

Kung matatandaan mo, kinatatok ng mga sundalo mga nakatira sa oakwood at sinabi, “we will just temporarily occupy the building for some good reason, huwag po kayo matakot we will not harm you”.

The implanted bomb around the Oakwood perimeter was not harm the people but to secure themselves and prevent any loyal military attempt to stop them exposing anomalies. Alam mo naman sa military pag marami kang alam kailangan patahimikin.
Ano sa palagay mo kung hindi ginawa ni trillanes yun? Malamang binura na sila at yung top secret ng ating AFP, malamang secret pa rin hanggang ngayon.

Bakit ako matatakot? silang mga idol na corrupt ang natakot. Kaya naman sa sobrang takot nila na tuluyang mabuking, ordered by the chief,”destroy them”. Mahal nila trillanes mga tao kaya matapos magsiwalat sumuko sila na mapayapa. Ayaw nila ng patayan.

Dapat matuwa tayo sa ginawa ng grupo ni trillanes, isinakripisyo nila ang kanilang karera para sa kabutihan ng nakakarami.



ako

Don’t worry Mr. Storeowner. Once we attain a corruption free nation, your daily sales might be doubled or probably ten times than what you are selling now. And about your neighbor, once we succeed from our objectives the next time he hospitalized, he or even you would be free from charge.

By now, you can sue trillanes, if you think so. you are free

But I suggest, think also of your future.

It’s just a lost of one day sales. He was just hospitalized. If we will not stop them robbing the Filipino people, definitely you will lost not just one day sales, you’re bankrupt. Your neighbor will not just be hospitalized but rather be dead. And in the eyes of the world, Filipino? Theft.
Payag ka ba sa ganyan?

For you also to be clarified, he is not terrorizing us, he just want stop our political terrorists.



MC_90

Mr. Storeowner…

first I want to tell you that I am not a lawyer and I am not a Law expert…what I know is we all have the right to file our complaints and grievances to the court against those whom we believe have caused us some kind of damages…

You might want to talk to a lawyer about your issue..

and goodluck…sana maibalik ang nalugi sayo



storeowner

For Ako:
I don’t agree with you…corrupt free nation…in your dreams…when trillanes did the mutiny, he went down to the level of the corrupt officials…why not bring his complaints to the media…im sure they can sensationalized it…if you’re okay with what he did…is just like saying…if you have a daughter and someone abused her for the future of the nation it’s okay with you…huh…i’d rather not be a part of that man…



MC_90

Ako…you are dreaming…hehehehehehe and still dreaming and will always be dreaming…

Trillanes is a disgrace!!!!!!!



Dennis

.@ Storeowner

The only mistake Trillanes and his group made was they chose Oakwood hotel to launch their “mutiny” had they used Batasan Complex while on session or Malacanan Palace that would deserve the highest honor our citizenry could give. Imagine JDV and GMA with all what they represent to this impoverished nation. Trillanes is like penicillin to this disease plaguing our gov’t.



ako

You must remember what you are now was part of your dream.
Not unless you have a dream, you’re nothing.
Why not dream also for your country? Was this selfishness?



g-an

i just want to ask senator trillanes kung kilala nya c gregorio g. espiritu.. because he is also a philippine marine and he was promoted as master sergeant at the age of 35.. from the year 1986. He is my father and i’m looking for him..’ we don’t have any information about him.. if you have any information kindly inform me.. because we need him..!! i don”t have any bad comment for you.. i am hoping you can help me.. thanks..!!!



grAcE m0rAn

hALa.!! nG-AaWAy n rIN keU d2.!! c’m0n gUyz.. it wAs onLy 0ne oF d’ poLticAL iSsUEs hiR n 0ur c0untRy.. mLLki n cLA keA Lng mgA bob0 Lng tLgA.! kprAninGAn n yAng pNAg gGwA nLA n pti teUng mgA inusEnte ndDmAy n.. u kn0e wAt.? hbAng nGkKguLo cLa s mniLa pEn nkhigA Lng akU s bEd q.. kgAguhAn Lng nMn ksE ung pNAg gGwA nLA dUn e.. sEe.. wuLA nMng nGyring pgbBgo.. mgA bigUAn Lng teUng LhAt.!! LiFE sUcks.!!

YM: teenagegrace@y.c
FS: gracemoran89@y.c

tnx.!! gUdLUck nLng sTeng LhAt.!!



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