It is really a mockery of justice. JDV III is more credible than the adminsitration. Why are they talking pardon if the case is not complete and final.

It is very embarassing to see how justice works in the Philippines if you are in power.

well, sounds erap guilty is only political .
they only played justice in this country philippines, So sad becouse the president at present much worsen compare to marcos, corry, erap, Well philipino people cant go on anymore, U know why? all politicians are sooooooo corruption, many profesionals are jobless in this country, All profesionals going outside the phil to earn money b, couse so bad , politicals ,I like lacson to be the one president next , he is strong man, thanks ,

The philipinos today is playing like a poker, Much worsen Gloria Arroyo as president,,,,,,,, so bad country now,dapat asikasuhin nila nag kahirapan ng pilipino diyan madami ang nagugutom patayan dahil sa kakulangan ng trabaho, di pantay, puro na lang politka lalong naghihirap ang bansa,mabaho na ang pinas

Mockery of justice is the best description description if Erap will be pardon. Broken Judicial System is the root of corruption in the Philippines. There will be no improvement in the island unless the judicial system is corrected or reform. All government officials, high ranking officials, past and present are cowards or does not have value at all. The present system works or benefit them so why change it.

Every thought belongs to a class, birds of same feather flock together.

I believe Ex-president Joseph E. Estrada, convicted of plunder by Sandigan Bayan, is not in any position to dictate any condition for his pardon.

Filipinos are very lenient people. There is always a place for forgiveness in their heart.

Pardons, like amnesty, are based on principles. And Malacañang palace, acting on behalf of the Filipino people, has no right to sell-out edsa-2 or the Republic.

Other than unconditional pardon, the nearest easy way out for Ex-President Joseph E. Estrada would be an acquittal by the Supreme Court.

We all believe in democracy.

we don’t need to go to all that process then of prosecuting wrong doers. we will save a lot of money to just pardon them all. Crime pays in the philippines.

I am very disheartened by our sitting government officials regarding the offer of absolute pardon even before the finality of the guilty verdict of the plunderer. Apostol, Villar, Vidal and others must be out of their minds. After the long trial, lots of peoples money spent, enormous sacrifices given by the group of private and public prosecutors including death threats, some people paid for their lives like Dacer, the kid from PAGCOR who’s body was never found, the witnesses that spent years under the protection programs, putting their families under extreme dangers, how then can these people take these things for granted by offering him absolute pardon? This would be an Absolute Mockery of Justice thus making again the Philippines noted throughout the world as a land of stupid people. Imagine Erap had the audacity to say that he had to set the condition for his pardon or else. Nakakasuka!

i agree with joseph - parang moro-moro lang lahat…the same thing w/ marcos, too, and all those billions stashed away.

it is exasperating! here, the rich and powerful ARE above the law. no wonder, many are leaving the country. nakaka-walang gana ang magtrabaho, magbayad ng buwis para sa gobyernong walang silbi.

my only hope is that there is a God, and when it is He who serves justice at the time He deems proper, matakot na sila!

The power of the president to grant pardon is specified in the constitution. No one, not even the brightest and the most talented lawyers may challenge the authority of the President to grant pardon and amnesty.
However, such exercise of power may be challenged, in my opinion, if it was exercised in such a manner that it violates the freedom and independence of the Courts to convict CRIMINALS. If such power was exercised with grave abuse of DISCRETION, on the part of the PRESIDENT, then WALA NA SYANG PINAG-IBA SA MGA KAWATAN SA LIPUNAN!
Justice delayed is Justice Denied, The Crime You Commit, I will FORGIVE. Next time kasi, HUWAG KA NA MAGPAHULI!

[...] Joseph Umadhay says an Erap pardon is a mockery of justice in Vox [...]

There are many who languished in jail just for stealing small amount of money so, granting pardon to the former President who plundered billions of pesos is the height of stupidity and injustice. This is not good for our country as this will only emboldened whoever sits in Malacañang to steal the people’s money because if they will also be tried and found guilty they can be pardon anyway.

IT IS A BIG DISGRACE FINDING ESTRADA GUILTY,THEN OFFERED A PARDON RIGHT AWAY. HE SHOULD STAY IN BILIBID PRISON AND CONFISCATE ALL THE MONIES THAT WAS IN QUESTION.PARDONING HIM IS LIKE
ARROYO IS JOKING AND MAKES EVERYTHING
FUNNY.NOBODY WILL RESPECT OUR JUDICIARY SYSTEM ANYMORE.

may magnanakaw bang umaamin na siya ay magnanakaw? haller!!!!

pardon? ano yun? alam ba nang mga ordinaryong pinoy ang salitang yan? hindi nga alam ng mga supporters ni erap kung ano ang kasalanan niya. magkano ba????

idolo ng masa? owws?!!!!!! nautong masa siguro.

kawawang jinggoy, dakdak ng dakdak wla namang napatunayan.

pareho lang yan sila, si erap babaero, si gloria, ehem! Naniniguro.

Mag presidente na tayong lahat. Pwede na tayong maging matakaw, magnanakaw, babaero,lasinggero, at iba pang gawang masama. Di tayo makukulong!!!

Pardon for a convicted plunderer? What is this a comedy drama? As it is now, Philippine justicial system is the laughing stock of the world. The Marcos’s plunder case is not yet resolved after more than twenty years of bungling and ineffective prosecution. And now here’s a case that finally may lead Filipinos to believe there is a scant sense of justice in the country, then comes the immediate pardon?

And what is so tragically and pathetically funny is that it seems Estrada is the one setting the terms of his pardon. The criminal setting the terms of his pardon? I cry while I laugh.

I was once heard a quotation “‘ How you will be able to control your people, ( The answer is ” make them poor”) That is how many politicain always say that all there good deeds are for the poor. To brainwash them to really become poor. That is why no rich & powerful individual will “be put to prison, it is really a mockery of justice. Hindi pa nga nakukulong pardon na ka agad. Kaya ang sabi nila Peace. How come, it must be Justice with peace so that salvation will be upon our country.mula ngayon saan tayo papunta??. Pati mga Pare(Cardinal pa man din) hindi na rin alam ang kanilang tinoturo. God bless The Philippines.

at long last nakahuli din tayo ng malaking isda, kaya lang anong gagawin ng gobyerno pakakawalan? di naman extinct ang nahuli natin ang dami nga nyan sa gobyerno dapat nga pritohin na kaagad yan para di pamarisan. Madam president stupid na nga ba ang mga Pinoy sa mga mata mo?
No pardon to ERAP, HE DESERVES TO ROT IN JAIL AND IN HELL…Isunod nyo na si Imelda Marcos.

mga kabayan this is the right time na marinig ng Malacanang ang boses nyo, send your comment to the office of the president:

http://www.op.gov.ph/contact.asp

No to ERAP Pardon/Amnesty…

Madam pres. pwede ko ba ipaki-usap itong kapitbahay ko, napagbintangan nang-snatch ng cel-phone (3210) nokia.Hanggang ngayon nasa city jail.. pwede ba i-pardon mo rin. Ang mahal po kasi nung celphone sabi nung may-ari.

Ang gandang palabas!
They should have not judged him as guilty if in a few months time he would be pardoned. kagaguhan na’toh! Pinaglalaruan na lang tayo!

la na talaga,kung bigtime magnanakaw ka dapat sa pilipinas ka para pagnahuli ka bayad ka na lng laya ka na,ginagatasan lng ng mga pulitiko ang bayan natin,ang mag tangang pinoy pinupuri pa nila nag magnanakaw,kawawang bayan.

Sabi ko naman mga Kababayan walang mangyayari sa mga ganitong kaso at usapin dahil sa totoo ginagawa lang tayong mga luko-luko ng mga Politiko na yan sila ang nagpapatupad ng batas at publicity lang lahat yan para sa kanilang kasikatan….kasi alam nila ang mga Pinoy mababa ang loob at handang magpatawad at pagsamantalahin….kayo, tayo at ako ganun lahat tayo…ang mga Marcoses nga Bilyun-bilyon ang ninakaw pero asan ngayon namamayagpag na naman sila kahit sila pa ang nagpahirap sa ating BAnsa! Si Joseph naman bobo yan at alam ng kanyang mga abugado kaya siya ang pinagsamantalahan at mahigit apat na bilyon lang naman..si Ramos asan? (magkano kaya?)….ang mga Congressman at mga Senador magkano kaya ang kinukulimbat nila sa kani-kanilang “pork barrel” kaya nga “pork barrel” baboy na nabubusog sa pera ni Juan de la Cruz..kaso matatalino at marunong magtago di gaya ni Erap (bobo…bobo…kasi dapat lang sayo) sinayang mo lang ang botong ibinigay sa yo ng mga mahihirap na umaasa sa pagbabago..akala kasi nila ikaw na yun dahil sawa na sila mga sobrang magagaling at sila rin ang nagpahamak sayo dahil sabi mo makamahirap ka pero sino ang mga kainuman at kamajong mo mga mayayaman…sa mahihirap magkano ang binabalato mo sa kanila isang supot na bigas at sardinas..sa mga mayayaman magkano ang balato milyon (Oreta at Osmena)…paano ka makamahirap? Ang totoo ginagamit ninyo ang mga mahihirap dahil alam ninyo mababaw lang ang kanilang kaligayahan at pwede ninyo silang utu-utuin……gaya ngayon “pardon” sa taong tumutulong at nag-aabuso sa mga mahihirap…at least tumutulong…ang mga Senador ano? nagpapagalingan at umaabuso lang..walang tulong yan ha!…gusto lang lituhin ang mga Pilipino sa totoo ayaw naman nila ng asenso para sa mga mahihirap..kaya Pinoy…gisiiiiiiiiiiinnggg!!!!! habang di pa huli…!!

It would be a disaster for the entire Filipino people, if truth, justice and righteneousness are being perverted. I urge, good, descent, God fearing Filipinos to prepare for the worst to come if justice (i.e. punishment for guilty person and reward and freedom for innocent people) is not imposed. I suggest that the Philippine nation should be disinterated according to the Filipinos geographical preferences. Set up their own government and let us witness which region belong to corrupt and lazy people and to those industrious and productive one. I wish there will be a separation between the goats and the sheeps.

Hay Pilipinas kawawa ka talaga !!!!! if pardon will be granted to Estrada……… that’s the time that i will have no more faith in Philippine justice, and that’s the time that i have to think twice, thrice and thirty … whether it’s safe to live and retire in the Philippines.

All of the above opinion are TRUE! By looking at former pres. Erap, I can’t help it but he is still in a limbo in a fantasy island as if still acting as a president (hanep, artista talaga). Imagine, after judged by the Sandiganbayan, pardon to him should be by his own terms? unbelievable!!! Ms. Arroyo, can you at least make one rightful decision to govern? Kaya puro sabit SWS ratings ninyo eh, laging palpak mga decisions ninyo, Pinas nabubulok, kawawa naman kaming nasa labas walang nang mukha.

Pardon is normally given to those who have shown remorse and is willing to change as a consequence of his or her admission of wrongdoing. Its makes me sick that the present government is willing to pardon a criminal who had his had stuck in the cookie jar. I agree that we have to forgive but we must never forget and there must be justice. This cycle of forgiving for the sake of national reconciliation is the cause why we have never moved forward as a nation. Nobody is held accountable for their actions. If Marcos was able to get away with plunder then why not ERAP. If this continues the culture of corruption will continue because the grafters in government will think that they can get pardon even if they get caught.

i agree with everything you’re saying, except that Erap deserves pity. the poor child in the barrios displaced by war, does.

If the president will give an unconditional pardon or amnesty to convicted former president Joseph Estrada, then then those inmates who are serving prison terms in Bilibid prison who comitted similar offense should also deserve the same treatment from the president. At least it will decongest the jail.

Pardon for Erap? It can be given if and only if the most aggrieved party or parties who suffered most will forgive him.

If they don’t give that forgiveness then pardoning him as soon as possible is an insult to the silent majority of the filipinos!!!

It’s quite as simple as doing unto others what you want others to do to you. Gold is truly an investment even if it comes in a form of a rule.

President GMA is setting a precedent because of the probablility of likewise having her day in court.

GRANTING PARDON TO AN ARROGANT ERAP IS DEFINITELY AN INJUSTICE TO THE FILIPINO PEOPLE. NAPAKAYABANG YANG SI ERAP. DAPAT LANG MABULOK SIYA SA KULUNGAN.

Pardon Joseph? Why are Filipinos so easily dupped? The dust of the plunder case has not even settled , and here you are already talking about absolute pardon. And the temerity of Joseph to demand the conditions of pardon. You should hear JV Ejercito talked, as if his father is sooooo clean. Please give hope to the poor, put the rich also in jail.

We forgot the Marcoses and cronies and we’re about to forgive Erap I think it is better to apply the “law of the jungle” to get immediate justice rather than wait for the outcome of the court proceedings and end up with pardon ! what a very stupid decision [ if it happened], any person who is in his or her right mind would not grant pardon for an arrogant man who’s not even admitting his guilt.

Tayong mga Pilipino ay parang lahat mga tanga!!!…bakit naman si Macapagal-Arroyo nag-oofer ng Pardon kay Estrada, Bakit??? Dahil katulad din siya ni Estrada???… Na darating din ang panahon mai-impeach din???… nakakahiya ang gobyernong Pilipino… nasaan na ang Filipino Integrity???

Mockery of justice and Political ill-will. Pardon si erap, maitatago pa nya ang 1billion na corrupt nya! wow! that’s an arroyo administration at its best (?) . . pre-prempt na ba ni arroyo ang mangyayari sa kanya pag siya hahatolan na ng taong bayan after her term? pardon din!? or if not total exoneration? . .ZTE, Smuggling, Human Rights Violation, etc. … natatakot na si arroyo hatolan kaya during her term grant na agad any favorables infavor of her enemies para ganun din gagawin sa kanya…Arroyo.Checkmate.com.ph

The conviction of former President Erap of being a plunderer is quite a complex problem, firstly the amount of money that is not concrete evidence for the no. 1 reason of who owns the bank account of Dichaves or erap, similar to Jose pidal case. besides who has destroyed the belle resources stocks, which was mostly owned by sss ang gsis members. whom those stocks wouold have trippled its value and jueteng activities would be eradicated for that was its original intention until it was intentionally destroyed to get the stocks becomes worthless, the conviction of eraps trial is the one that impedes the course of justice in the philippines where the no. 1 problem is jueteng activities and the quarrel of two jueteng lords where the other became the hero or edsa2 while the real majority elected president was incarcirated and can post no baiil, where the case has already been groomed for conviction. That is the real scenario of how i perceived it and its only my opinion so it has no bearing to a womanizer and convicted plunderer. Thats how i feel its only my opinion, bato bato sa langit ang tamaan huwag magalit.

if former President Erap is pardon he should return the money to the GSIS and SSS members, especially that was the money that was used to buy belle resources stocks of $3.14 per share which is not worthless, then he can be pardon for he is a legally elected president which has the power of immunity from any wrong doing.

Justice was served let him suffer. He owe a lot to the Filipino people. GMA has a good intention for peace but it’s not yet the right time to do it.

ROFL LOL LOL LOL at all the people who actually thought justice was served! Gullible! I knew when he was found guilty that he would be pardoned later. That’s nice of the government… let him await trial in his wonderful resthouse, travel to Hong Kong, throw parties for his kids, etc. etc. Now pardon him! LOL Philippine justice at its best! (SARCASM) Now if only we build him a statue and rename a street in Manila after him now. Why wait till later when you know it will happen. Bet on it - Joseph “Erap” Estrada Avenue… it will happen!

LOL LOL to all the people who actually thought he would spend even a night in jail. This is Philippines, same old same old Philippines.

LOL AGAIN!!!!!

HE WILL KEEP THE ONE BILLION PISOS THAT HE PLUNDERED! LMAO! LMAO!!!!!

ROFL ROFL

ROFL ROFL

Justice served my ass!

[...] Vox Populi : Erap pardon: Mockery of justice [...]

Grabe. Why do we need to pardon the guy in the first place? Erap speaks as if yung mga tao pa na ninakawan niya ng pera ang may utang na loob pa sa kanya. This guy does not have a shred of decency in his body.

Pinoys, remember Erap took our money to enrich himself! Tayo pa nagkakandarapa setting him free. What sort of lesson are we showing the poorer people in our society? You steal a piece of bread, we will lock you up forever, you steal millions of Pesos, we will figure a way to get you out…

And to leave him with P 1B? The thought makes me sick in the stomach.

Pinoys, we have to start somewhere in reforming our society. Is this really the kind of society we want for ourselves or for our children? A society that condones big time theft?

JINGOY AND ERAP MUST SUFFER!!

THEIR GRAND OLD DAYS ARE OVER. ERAP AND HIS COMRADES IN CRIME MUST SUFFER IN JAIL (INCLUDING HIS ACTOR SON JINGOY). THEY SHOULD BE HELD LIABLE FOR THE STUPIDITY AND FOOLISHNESS THEY COMMITTED.

JINGOY WAS SO HAPPY THAT HE WAS ACQUITED BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOWS HIS STUPIDITY.

Why the government keep sending Mr Puno to discuss pardon with Mr Estrada?It is kind of stupid on the government part to offer something that is not officially requested especially when there’s a serious legal matter is involved…..Can someone tell the government to “Back off” and let the justice system works.

If you ask me, a lifetime detention in his rest house is fair enough. During this time he could reflect on the wrongdoings he did during his life. But pardon? nah! Our justice system’s integrity is at stake. GMA should think twice before granting this.

it is indeed a mockery of justice…this is bs. using unity and national reconciliation as reason for pardon? but what about justice? isn’t it the purpose why erap was prosecuted?

if this happens, the right question will not be who’s next? but, what for?

If former President Erap is really guilty of plunder, then the rest of the presidents men who were involved with plunder jueteng activitie should be also prosecuted, here are the list, demonstrably corrupt governor chavit singson, Jaime Dichaves,Atong Ang, because these are the actual owners of these accounts, why then only the Head of corruption gangs be convicted? when most of those men who were involved has gone scott free and continue to make millions out of being free of those activities because of impunity that was rendered by the sitting president. The previous number one problem originally was Jueteng and yet president ERaps intention was to get rid of Jueteng and created Belle Resources company and mostly uses GSIS and SSS funds that was never recovered in the first place, those stocks would have trippled its value if it was not intensionally destroyed and most of the beneficiaries are the GSIS and SSS members where the pension funds will increase, They should be the rightful owners of President ERaps one billion amount of money and he should not keep the 200 muslim funds and the jaime dichaves accounts but return to the GSIS and SSS members life myself for retirement purposes.

Pardon para kay Erap? Susmaryosep!

Kung ‘yan ang mangyari eh mga Pilipino ay napaka-estupidong mga tanga!

The man is so arrogant to keep on saying that he is innocent. He wants to dictate the terms of his pardon. We spent so much time, effort and money convicting the plunderer. Now the dust have not even settled but negotiations are already ongoing to pardon him.

Nakakabanas talaga ang pagka-estupido ng mga Pilipino. No wonder we are so screwed up that we are the laughing stock of the entire world. No wonder nangingibangbansa na mga Pinoy kasi hopeless na buhay sa Pinas.

If Erap is pardoned prior to his motion for reconsideration at the Sandiganbayan and his final appeal to the Supreme Court then it will show the world that the Filipinos are the most stupid people within the human race.

Nakakahiya ang mga Pinoy. Bobo na stupidos pa.

These politikos are only using us to satisfy their needs , they are only after FAME , POWER and MONEY , MONEY , MONEY …. kaya maraming gusto sa politika kasi maraming PERA dito lagay , lagay lang ng isang investor busog na busog na sila , bukod pa sa ibang paraaan ng corruption …. Sayang naging republika pa tayo , mas maige pa hindi na lang tayo pinamigay ng sino man ang sumakop sa atin noon — maaring hindi tayo nabibilang ngayon sa ilalim ng isa sa ( 3rd world countries ) –

We have a law of “appeasement”, if you can call it that.

Kunwarihan lang. It’s like GMA saying, the evidence is overwhelming kasi so we have to make the lawyers happy naman and make it appear our justice system really works. But don’t worry, kasi, eventually, bibigyan ka rin ng presidential pardon, so everybody happy. Hintay-hintay lang po.

ano ba yan sila erap pa ang matapang, ang dami nilang conditions……

HAYAAN NA LANG MABULOK SA MUNTI SI ERAP PARA HINDI NA PAMARISAN NG IBA…….

weather weather lang yan……..

Pardoning ERAP and sparing him from being detained in the National Penitentiary just goes to prove that Filipinos are NOT EQUAL IN THE EYES OF THE LAW.

Having said that GMA likewise should be PARDONED AND SPARED FROM being detained at the National Penitentiary if proven guilty of usurpation of her Executive power while in office.

I guess that clearly demonstrates the gist of the saying “WHAT ARE WE IN POWER FOR?

I see the prospect of giving pardon to Joseph Estrada as anticipation to what might happen to Gloria after her term.

The saying that “in politics, there are no permanent friends, only permanent vested interest” applies to the present situation. I don’t believe that Gloria is offering pardon to Erap for national reconciliation; she’s doing it to protect her own political interest and to minimize political opposition to her administration.

Erap, a convicted plunderer by the anti-graft court (Sandiganbayan) should not be extended with presidential pardon as this would give a negative impression to the people that stealing billions of pesos is just fine. This would be a grand mockery of the justice system of our country.

Pardon is based on principle. “It forgives but not forgets”. It can be extended only to persons who have admitted their guilt of the crime committed and showed remorse for what they have done. In this case, Erap continues to assert his innocence even after the evidence showed otherwise.

Pardon in essence, is a presidential prerogative. But since the president, just like all other elected government official, is a representative of the sovereign people, he/she must exercise such prerogative with utmost prudence giving only such privilege to deserving ones. It this case, Erap falls short of qualification to merit pardon whether partial or absolute.

It would be foolishness at its best should Filipinos condone Erap’s crooked acts or any corrupt government official for that matter.

Thieves in the government would surely rejoice with Erap’s pardon since one of their own escaped the cleansing operation of justice.

Erap must pay the price for his wrongdoing even if it would mean spending his remaining years in prison.

No one is above the law. Erap, therefore, cannot be above the law.

We, Filipinos during EDSA II had Erap resigned and jailed because of the perceived betrayal of our trust and irregularity on the way he manages the country. After six long years of trial and after having us vindicated of our move, should we let Erap walk-out of “confinement” as a free man?

If there is one thing that we regret with EDSA II, it is that we installed a leader just like the deposed one. Power corrupts and when it does, it corrupts absolutely.

I enjoin all the Filipinos all over the world to bombard with continous text messages Villar, Vidal, Apostol, Guingona, and others, who are proposing pardon or amnesty, through the media about our strong and vehement objection thus making an Absolute Mockery of Justice in our beloved country. This will send a strong message and show our indignation against our corrupt officials.

It should not surprise anyone why the perception index on corruption has gone lower again. In the eyes of the global community of entrepreneurs that do business in the Philippines they see the morals of this country’s political leaders have gone down one more notch because they find it incredible that these so-called leaders, from the President to the Senators like Villar, Roxas, Madrigal, Lacson, Legarda, even that tottering old man Guingona who initiated Erap’s impeachment at the Senate are stepping on each other’s toes in trying to free that convicted felon from being committed to prison. These are the same people who cry for honesty in governance but are the first ones to save their own kind from going to prison. These are the officials who should never be voted next time they run for publc office for disgracing the good image of the country.

WHAT PARDON? BY WHOM AND WHOSE AUTHORITY? GMA HAS NEVER GOTTEN THE AUTHORIZATION FROM THE FILIPINOS AS A PRESIDENT ANYWAY. A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE CLOUD OF BOGUSNESS HAS NO LEGAL AUTHORITY TO EVEN CONDUCT INVESTIGATION, WHAT MORE OF CONVICTING ANYONE? CONVICT THEMSELVES…THAT’S WHAT MORE LIKE IT. GLORIA AND HER COHORTS MUST ANSWER FOR THEIR CRIMES BEFORE THE TRIBUNAL COURT OF THE PEOPLE, ONE UNDER THE RULE OF LAW. SINCE GLORIA USURPED THE POWER FROM A DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY…WITH THE HELP OF HER EQUALLY LYING, CONNIVING BASTARDS POLITICIANS, MOSTLY THE SCUMS RESIDUE OF THE MARCOS ADMINISTRATION…THE CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN RENDERED USELESS AND THE COUNTRY IS NOW BEING RULED BY A GROUP OF GANGSTERS WHOSE EFFORT FROM DAY ONE IS TO SELL THE COUNTRY’S NATURAL RESOURCES AND INFRASTRUCTURES TO FOREIGN PROFITEERS AND SWINDLERS IN EXCHANGE FOR ANY PRICE TO LINE THEIR OVERSEAS ACCOUNTS.

Pardon for Estrada? Naglolokohan na tayo nyan. We will be the laughing stock of the world and this country will always have a corrupt leader.

Ganun lang pala e… Mangurakot ka, kahit kasuhan ka, patatawarin ka naman at makukuha mo naman ulit yung kinurakot mo…. Ang galing no! Ang talino ng Pinoy!

Ganito na lang ba? Nagmumukha na tayong tanga! Bat wala tayong ginagawa? Asan na yung mga taong mareklamo dati at nagpoprotesta? Mga organisasyon mahilig sa protesta?

Regarding dito kay Erap, tahimik naman sila. Walang silbi. Sariling interest lang. Di na dapat pagkatiwalaan yang mga grupong yan.

Sayang, mga lider pa naman sila nakaupo sa Senado at sa kamara…. Pero walang silbi… Mag-iingay lang para sa sariling interest! Mga hayup!

Hindi dapat i-pardon si Erap. Ikulong at sana mabulok sa bilangguan… Ginagamit lang ang mother nya para makalabas. Kunwari, pero yun pala meeting lang with opposition yung totoo.

Bat di natin gawin tulad ng nagawa sa Chile…. Pati yung kamag-anak, ikulong. Dont forget, yung Marcoses! Mga walang hiya talaga! http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1668403,00.html?xid=feed-yahoo-top-linkbox

We have to act now!

so, again my two cents worth. It’s tough being retired, I thought I’m finished being involved with Philippine issues, being that I’m now abroad, but now that I have more time to read, and have 5 Philippine newspapers online, and has always loved the Philippines, I want to voice my opinion, even if sometimes it is an exercise in futility….My question:
Why go thru the exercise of litigating, spending beaucoups bucks trying to prove Estrada’s culpability, spending more for his health, care, security, both for travel, detention, and health, even if the purpose is just to confiscate his ill gotten gains and not penalized him for corruption, if that’s what it is. He’s a businessman after all, the gov’t. could very well have negotiated with him to return some of his ill gotten gains (for sure they’re not getting all of them, even after the conviction, anyway), so they didn’t have to go thru all the Sandigan Bayan effort and expense, when they knew they’ll him pardon anyway, and sure he’ll refuse it. He has to generate “guapo” and “macho” points back after all the theatrics, wouldn’t you have done the same? But he can do it better than I can, he’s a good artista….
And it’s disgusting that even in the name of unification, that the gov’t didn’t even wait for him to ask for it, they took the initiative to start it, and they were refused (what a shame!). Isn’t that a slap to all those prosecutors and judges who worked very hard to put together a case and got him convicted? That’s why the Philippines is in dire straits. Government officials has no problem spending tons of tax money for “forma”. Most of the time, even in our legislative bodies, a lot of posturing happens without results. I just wonder why the citizenry tolerate these dramas and let the characters get away with them, but I should stop wondering, they took Marcos’, too, didn’t they?
Sometimes I feel like crying….

President Estrada should not be given a presidential pardon, he was already convicted! If he will be given a pardon, there will be a great question in the government’s capability to give out judgment!

WHERE IS JUSTICE?

I cant believe this is happening.. i feel like someone just slapped me in the face.. after everything’s been said and done, and how everyone talked about how bad it would make the country and its leaders look, Erap walked free!!!!!!

The moral of the story is.. if you’re going to steal, steal billions cause if you steal a small amount, you’ll end up in jail together with all the poor theives who steal to buy a piece of bread.. but if you steal billions, you can walk away a free man.

So how do i feel now that Erap is walking free? i feel like there really is no hope now for this country and that justice is just another word in the dictionary.

let’s be pragmatic. it cannot be denied that erap has still a substantial following from pinoys. so the percentage between pro and anti pardon will be significant on both sides. to give both sides something to be at peace with… the pardon should be conditioned in no uncertain terms for all monies that he gained which were identified during his trial be surrendered to our country’s treasury. at last count billions of pesos. this is also based on his being identified as among the 10 most corrupt leaders in the world published in a prestigious magazine i read here in the states (in that list there were two filipinos.. the other one was marcos). but this is moot and academic. erap is already free. now the hope we can only have is this. that he voluntarily return that which is not his so he will not burn in hell when that time comes for him to leave this mortal life.

I cant believe this is happening.. i feel like someone just slapped me in the face.. after everything’s been said and done, and how everyone talked about how bad it would make the country and its leaders look, Erap walked free!!!!!!

The moral of the story is.. if you’re going to steal, steal billions cause if you steal a small amount, you’ll end up in jail together with all the poor theives who steal to buy a piece of bread.. but if you steal billions, you can walk away a free man.

So how do i feel now that Erap is walking free? i feel like there really is no hope now for this country and that justice is just another word in the dictionary.

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Pumoputok ang buksi mo ng dahil Mrs. Pidal pardon Erap. As we already know the judges find Erap guilty of juenting money. Ang tanong ko, Juenting money ba ay pera ng bayan? I think not. If you compare Erap to the rest of President’s including bugos President. Erap, Is a better President. Most of those President’s bugos President stole bigger amount of money from government coffer, But you’re not even up-set. Wow! Salina

NO TO PARDON!!! after all those years of trials, hearings, etc. ganito lng mngyayare!!?!?! ano ba naman!!! HOY GMA!! kahit presidente ka at ikaw may karapatan sa decision na yan, KAME ANG BATAS! kung kelangan patalsikin ka, gagawin namin! hinde pdeng puro gnyan na lng mga presidente ng pilipinas! pano naman ang mga bata.. pano yun ibang di makaalis ng bansa?! lahat ng tao maghihirap! mga bobo mapupunta sa politiko para patakbuhin ang ating gobyerno! wlang mngyayare!

there are so many person suffering from unjust justice, and why former president Joseph Ejercito Estrada recieving a pardon from the palace ,despite,we all knew that former pres. was already convited,and proven guilty like others who commited sins, he is not deseve for that pardon…..

why…president GMA decided to give that pardon?,Have she other intention? hence ,we all knew that former president was proven guilty, i considered justice is unjust kapag ito ay nangyari,…..

True enough, reason why a lot of Filipinos migrated abroad is partly being done by politicians like this guy. People who have suffered at his time should show no respect at all, as this person should not be given title of former president but ex convict.

SINO BA AKO PARA PAKINGGAN MO? DI AKO EXPERTO SA MGA BAGAY NA ITO. ISA LANG AKONG SIMPLENG MAMAMAYAN NG PILIPINAS, ISANG PILIPINONG UMAASA NA DARATING ANG PANAHONG GIGINHAWA MULI ANG MAHAL KONG BAYAN. ANG BANSANG PINAGLAANAN NG MARAMING PILIPINO NG PAWIS AT DUGO. ANG PINAGLABAN NOON NG ATING MGA BAYANI. NASAN NA ANG BAYAN KONG TINATANGI. SINO NA BA TAYO NGAYON? NASAN NA ANG PILIPINAS?

Pag gising ko kaninang umaga, agad kong binuksan ang aking telebisyon upang malaman kung ano na ang lagay ng bayan kong iniwan 5 taon na ang nakalipas. Biglang sumambulat sa akin, ERAP…. Binigyan ng PARDON/CLEMENCY ng Pangulong GLORIA! Hindi ako maka-erap, di rin naman ako maka-gloria…. Ngunit biglang nalungkot ang aking kalooban. May galit, may tampo at may pangamba at may tanong na BAKIT? Bakit ganito ang nangyayari sa bayan nating minamahal? Ano nab a ang nangyayari? Bakit ang gulo-gulo ng sistema ng Pilipinas? Wala na ba talagang BATAS, wala na ba talagang KATARUNGAN O wala na ba talagang HUSTISYA ang ating bayan? Bakit nagkaka ganito? Pinagtatawanan na tayo ng ibang lahi dahil din sa kagagawan ng mga taong namumuno sa atin. Di ko talaga alam bakit walang isang salita, walang pangil ang ating batas. Naalala ko ang storya ng isang ulirang ama na hanggang ngayon ay nakakulong sa salang pagnnakaw ng isang gatas para mapainom sa kanyang anak na walang makain. Ilang taon na sya nakakulong, di parin napalaya, matinding KRIMEN ba ang kanyang ginawa? Siguro sa mata ng ating batas sa Pilipinas, ay OO! Pero si ERAP, nagnakaw, nanloko, nanarantado sa ating lahat,… ok lang, sige sa magandang bahay sa tanay siya ilagay, at ngayon, pagkatapos hatulan ng panghabambuhay na pagkabilanggo, ay wala pang ilang buwan, palalayain na. Ano ba naman tayong mga Pilipino, niloloko na tayo pero wala ba tayong gagawin? Ang bilis natin makalimot. Kung sa bagay, kung iisipin mo, nasan nab a ngayon mga Marcoses? E di nakaluklok parin sa GOBYERNO. Ano nang nangyari, nakalimutan na rin natin ang kanilang ginawa.

Napakalungkot ng nangyayari sa ating bayan, sa mahal kong bansa, sa aking mahal na Pilipinas. Di ko masisisi ang ilan sa ating nagingibang bayan dahil nawalan na sila ng pag-asang muling Makita ang Pilipinas na namamayagpag at namumukod tangi sa kagandahan at kaayusan. Baligtad ang nangyari, ang Pilipinas ngayon ay namamayagpag sa kahihiyan…… masakit tanggapin, masakit pakinggan, ngunit ito ang katotohanan.

****We have wasted our efforts during EDSA II. ***

i bet there would be NO more reason for any EDSA revolution anymore..

dapat lang palayain si erap at ang ikulong ang mag asawang arroyo!!!!!!1

“Do unto others, … “

HOY GMA!GINAWA MO NAMANG TANGA AT STUPIDO TAUNG MGA PILIPINO. HINDI KA NA BA NAHIYA SA GINAWA MO? MABUTI PA BIGYAN MO NA RIN NG PARDON UNG MGA NAKAKULONG SA MUNTI. MAS MASAHOL PA UNG GINAWA NI ERAP KAYSA SA MGA YAN!

all government officials will no longer be afraid to commit plunder or any crime! There is “pardon” anyway

nakakayamot, nakakaasar, nakakawalang gana maging PILIPINO!

why prosecute erap kung di mo rin pala sya papakulong after ma prove na guilty. Kung ganito man lang ang systema ng gobyerno natin dapat lahat ng nakakulong pakawalan na. di yung mga importanteng tao lang na may pera at kapangyarihan. kahit ba sabihin mo na elected sya as president before, wala pa rin syang pinag-iba sa mga magnanakaw and manloloko. Dapat maging fair!

I’ve found a suitable ribbon that we can use for this topic.

Black Ribbon at Philippine Updates

AKO ANG NAHIHIYA AT KUNIKILABUTAN.NATATAWA AT NANGINGITI AKO SA KATALINUHAN AT KATANGAHAN NATING MGA PILIPINO.KATAWA-TAWA ANG ATING PAGKATAO.MALINAW PA SA SIKAT NG ARAW ANG MGA KASALANAN NIYA TAPOS PAULIT-ULIT NIYANG SINASABI ANG INOCENTE SIYA.ARTISTA YAN KAYA AARTEHAN TAYO LAGI NIYAN.ANG KALOOBAN NILA AY ‘PUNO NG KA-ARTISTAHAN.PAG NGA NAMAN MAY PERA KA MABIBILI MO PATI BUHAY NG TAO.MALAKI ANG PANANAGUTAN NINYO SA ‘DIYOS’.PALAGAY KO PATI PANINIWALA NILA SA DIYOS AY PAG A-ARTE LANG!!

Gloria Arroyo made a mockery of Philippine justice system. She pardoned Estrada so there will be a precedent when she is in the same situation. She will spend time in prison with Estrada as her cellmate when history renders its decision.

Philippines is a good place to live with but with the modal of our government it seems that our country is worst for other as far as other to compare with Judicial system is right but everything when wrong when politics intervene. In the case of former President Estrada which is now pardoned from the overwhelming corruption case Where is Justice and the future of our country. This is the moment in time that someday our country will be run by vultures

Plunder law RA 7080 states that penalty for conviction is reclusion perpetua.

Under ADMINISTRATIVE CIRCULAR NO. 6-A-92 dated June 21, 1993 by then Chief Justice Narvasa clarified that
“‘The Code (Revised Penal Code) does not prescribe the penalty of life imprisonment for any of the felonies therein defined, that penalty being invariably imposed for serious offenses penalized not by the Revised Penal Code but by special law. Reclusion perpetua entails imprisonment for at least thirty [30] years after which the convict becomes eligible for pardon. It also carries with it accessory penalties, namely: perpetual special disqualification, etc.

One of the powers of the president is to grant reprieves, commutations, and PARDONs, and remit fines and forfeitures, after conviction by final judgment, except when the President is under impeachment.

Did PGMA not violate the provision of reclusion perpetua that pardon can be imposed on the convicted after 30 years only in prison? Please clarify.

Can PGMA be impeached on what she did? I think SHE SHOULD BE IMPEACHED FOR MALVERSATION OF PUBLIC FUNDS. Just try to imagine how much was the total cost for the six years trial? WHAT A WASTE OF TAXPAYER’S MONEY! PGMA just wasted millions and millions of pesos!

msott
WHAT PARDON? BY WHOM AND WHOSE AUTHORITY? GMA HAS NEVER GOTTEN THE AUTHORIZATION FROM THE FILIPINOS AS A PRESIDENT ANYWAY. A GOVERNMENT UNDER THE CLOUD OF BOGUSNESS HAS NO LEGAL AUTHORITY TO EVEN CONDUCT INVESTIGATION, WHAT MORE OF CONVICTING ANYONE? CONVICT THEMSELVES…THAT’S WHAT MORE LIKE IT. GLORIA AND HER COHORTS MUST ANSWER FOR THEIR CRIMES BEFORE THE TRIBUNAL COURT OF THE PEOPLE, ONE UNDER THE RULE OF LAW. SINCE GLORIA USURPED THE POWER FROM A DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY…WITH THE HELP OF HER EQUALLY LYING, CONNIVING BASTARDS POLITICIANS, MOSTLY THE SCUMS RESIDUE OF THE MARCOS ADMINISTRATION…THE CONSTITUTION HAS BEEN RENDERED USELESS AND THE COUNTRY IS NOW BEING RULED BY A GROUP OF GANGSTERS WHOSE EFFORT FROM DAY ONE IS TO SELL THE COUNTRY’S NATURAL RESOURCES AND INFRASTRUCTURES TO FOREIGN PROFITEERS AND SWINDLERS IN EXCHANGE FOR ANY PRICE TO LINE THEIR OVERSEAS ACCOUNTS.

02.10.07 2:51 am

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Ms: Ott. I share your view but that is the only way Erap can be free to get pardon from the bugos President. Because if he didn’t accept pardon from Mrs. Pidal’s, Erap well be rot in jail. I’m glad Erap is free, Free to do whatever he want to do and I wish him well.

Erap deserves to be free. Kahit paano naging pangulo pa rin sya. Hindi sya pumatay! Kung may kasalanan man sya ay nagpaloko sya kay Chavit.

The answer to all this should be to change the constitution, making plunder and corruption by any government official from president down to barangay captain, a crime punishable by death. But I will bet that it will not happen (not in this lifetime anyways) because 99 percent of the elected officials, including appointed cabinet secretaries are nothing but corrupt. I am just being cynical because there’s nary a peep from the usually cacophonous cages of the halls congress and senate. Looks like the dole out had a sedating effect on these flamboyant creatures, which usually happens after partaking in a sumptuous feast of purple colored papers.

Oh…I forgot to mention. FILIPINOS YOU WERE SOLD OUT, BIG TIME.

Wake up Filipinos…I think this Erap pardon is REALLY GETTING OVERBOARD OF OUR DEMOCRACY…It only implies that it’s just easy to make such a hasty decision of giving pardon to a plunderer. He stole people’s hard earned money…nakapagtataka, hindi naman ganon kalaki ang sueldo ng Pres. pero milyon milyon ang pera..palasyo ang mga bahay..maraming asawa…maraming anak sa ibat ibang babae…I think the Pres. is making A BIG AND HASTY MISTAKE THAT WILL PULL HER DOWN…it’s not reconciliation.that’s a lame excuse…Hwag mo kaming gawing stupid…Remember, there are a lots of people languishing in jail..some of them probably innocent and yet you let a convicted person free…Oh my gosh….Also, You are making Sandigan Bayan like a fool for coming up with a conviction..Do u think people will still believe in our justice system. MADAME PRES…ARE YOU ASKING FOR EDSA TRES.?…I WAS THERE DURING EDSA DOS THAT PUT YOU TO POWER TO TOPPLE DOWN A CORRUPT PRES.AND NOW HERE YOU ARE GIVING HIM A PARDON…I am now in realization that putting you in power is a BIG MISTAKE…I DON’T THINK YOU DESERVE TO BE PRES. AFTER ALL…SINAYANG MO LANG ANG EDSA DOS…well, my kababayan..Ano ang hatol?I think we need to go back to EDSA… Don’t you think it’s too much..first of all giving cash gifts of hundred of thousand to officials plus a pardon to a plunderer…SOBRA NA YATA ANG PAGGAMIT NYO NG PERA NG KABAN NG PILIPINAS…KAYA ANG UTANG NATIN TRILLION NA…Haay naku..I’m so upset..kaya nga napakaraming gustong pumasok sa pulitika kahit sino na lang..maging ang mga artista….lalo na yung laos at wala ng datung at pelikula…..Marami ring business man/woman na nagsusumiksik sa gov’t esp sa senado or congress para lalong yumaman. pero parati namang absent….becoz of the perks…and pork barrel na napupunta lang sa bulsa….kunwari may project but a “ghost project” o di kaya “substandard project”…Salamat na lang may mang isa isang PANLILIO sa gov’t.

Alam mo swerte nga si Erap na sa resthouse ang detention nya at hindi sa bilibid..dapat ang magnanakaw na katulad nya sa bilibid…Sarap nga ng buhay nya..Ngayon malaya na sya..Sa totoo lang kahit na sabihin pa ni GMA na kukunin nya yung ibang ninakaw nya eh…hindi naman lahat yun..bilyon bilyon pa ang nasa kamay nya..kaya look at his face nakangisi pa sya parang gusto nyang sabihin..Naloko ko na naman kayo…Isa pa, si Jinggoy is still in the govt’ …eh for sure, ang pagnanakaw still continue with his junior…like father like son…and then wait kayo..with his acquittal,all other relatives will be in the gov’t again..of course to steal our hard earned money…Nakakalungkot…

Again…wake up kababayan….masyado na tayong niloloko from Marcos to Erap and now GMA…I hope this will be the last..we need a trusted pres and government official…

You know what…I agree..you are absolutely right…this hoopla of court thing then conviction is just a mockery of our justice system..ika nga para na ngang zarzuela o kaya palabas lang para kunwari they will get to impress people and yet iba pala ang kanilang plano…that in the long run they will give pardon to a convicted plunderer…Eto namang si Erap kunwari eh may pride pa sya na aayaw ayaw pa sya kuno but tatanggapin din pala nya…ang galing ng drama nyo day…Well..sana naman we filipinos should show to the world that we are actually an intelligent race….please lang gamitin natin ang wise judgment this time….

gma is just making a precedent kc sya na ang susunod.

Josie S. Araneta
so, again my two cents worth. It’s tough being retired, I thought I’m finished being involved with Philippine issues, being that I’m now abroad, but now that I have more time to read, and have 5 Philippine newspapers online, and has always loved the Philippines, I want to voice my opinion, even if sometimes it is an exercise in futility….My question:
Why go thru the exercise of litigating, spending beaucoups bucks trying to prove Estrada’s culpability, spending more for his health, care, security, both for travel, detention, and health, even if the purpose is just to confiscate his ill gotten gains and not penalized him for corruption, if that’s what it is. He’s a businessman after all, the gov’t. could very well have negotiated with him to return some of his ill gotten gains (for sure they’re not getting all of them, even after the conviction, anyway), so they didn’t have to go thru all the Sandigan Bayan effort and expense, when they knew they’ll him pardon anyway, and sure he’ll refuse it. He has to generate “guapo” and “macho” points back after all the theatrics, wouldn’t you have done the same? But he can do it better than I can, he’s a good artista….
And it’s disgusting that even in the name of unification, that the gov’t didn’t even wait for him to ask for it, they took the initiative to start it, and they were refused (what a shame!). Isn’t that a slap to all those prosecutors and judges who worked very hard to put together a case and got him convicted? That’s why the Philippines is in dire straits. Government officials has no problem spending tons of tax money for “forma”. Most of the time, even in our legislative bodies, a lot of posturing happens without results. I just wonder why the citizenry tolerate these dramas and let the characters get away with them, but I should stop wondering, they took Marcos’, too, didn’t they?
Sometimes I feel like crying….

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Well, Jose. Go ahead and cry! its free! I have sypathy for you. If you’re pinoy you should know how the pinoy politic’s. Just look what happen they kick Erap and install Mrs. Pidal, Because they were saying that she can run the country better, Because she had degree in econemic. Ha, Ha. Its turn out she’s nothing but a lemon. Now they want to kick her out too. What thats tell you! This is one of the reason why the Philippines never get from under because of these edsa dos hypocrites….Ang dapat sa kanila ipakain sa buwaya! pisti nga yawa.

since day 1 it was all politically motivated.
villar sent the impeachment case to the senate even without eatablishing who were the jueteng lords involved.
senate did not allow to open the envelope because of technalities and oppsition then went to the streets and when they open the envelope it was not that explosive anyway.
then,the case in court, where erap was convicted of receiving money from jueteng lords but not even one person was convicted or charge or even named as illegal gambling.
the commision money were dichaves said was his.the government said otherwise,then why not just take it when erap said thats not his money.
now gma needs someone if she is going toe to toe with jdv and fvr.that someone is erap.she needs erap to be neutral at least.
erap did not get convicted in tobacco excise money.kung si singzon ang kumuha ng pera at sinabi ng sandiganbayan na hindi natanggap ni erap ang pera nasaan na yung pera ngayon.kung si singzon ang tumatanggap ng pera sa mga jueteng lord bakit di nya sinaabi kung sino ang mga ito.
nagtatanong lang po.

unbiased
Pardon for Estrada? Naglolokohan na tayo nyan. We will be the laughing stock of the world and this country will always have a corrupt leader.

Ganun lang pala e… Mangurakot ka, kahit kasuhan ka, patatawarin ka naman at makukuha mo naman ulit yung kinurakot mo…. Ang galing no! Ang talino ng Pinoy!

Ganito na lang ba? Nagmumukha na tayong tanga! Bat wala tayong ginagawa? Asan na yung mga taong mareklamo dati at nagpoprotesta? Mga organisasyon mahilig sa protesta?

Regarding dito kay Erap, tahimik naman sila. Walang silbi. Sariling interest lang. Di na dapat pagkatiwalaan yang mga grupong yan.

Sayang, mga lider pa naman sila nakaupo sa Senado at sa kamara…. Pero walang silbi… Mag-iingay lang para sa sariling interest! Mga hayup!

Hindi dapat i-pardon si Erap. Ikulong at sana mabulok sa bilangguan… Ginagamit lang ang mother nya para makalabas. Kunwari, pero yun pala meeting lang with opposition yung totoo.

Bat di natin gawin tulad ng nagawa sa Chile…. Pati yung kamag-anak, ikulong. Dont forget, yung Marcoses! Mga walang hiya talaga! http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1668403,00.html?xid=feed-yahoo-top-linkbox

We have to act now!

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Yeah, I agree! we have to act now! and throw Gloria Arroyo, & co in jail where they belong. They’re the one should be jail because there is solid evidence against them for being corrupted.

ozzee
I cant believe this is happening.. i feel like someone just slapped me in the face.. after everything’s been said and done, and how everyone talked about how bad it would make the country and its leaders look, Erap walked free!!!!!!

The moral of the story is.. if you’re going to steal, steal billions cause if you steal a small amount, you’ll end up in jail together with all the poor theives who steal to buy a piece of bread.. but if you steal billions, you can walk away a free man.

So how do i feel now that Erap is walking free? i feel like there really is no hope now for this country and that justice is just another word in the dictionary.

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Gloria Arroyo, Give pardon to Erap, Because she knows that Erap is not guilty of any wrong doing. The only reason these corrupt judges find him guilty because that is the only way they can protect Gloria Arroyo, into her stolen power. If they really think Erap is guilty why is it they didn’t throw his ass in muntinglupa after these judges find him guilty of plunder. Ang tanong ko, Yon juenting money ba ay pera ng bayan? HINDI. Sabihin mo the reason these judges find him guilty because that is the only way Gloria Arroyo can stay from her stolen power.

Ismael Balana
why…president GMA decided to give that pardon?,Have she other intention? hence ,we all knew that former president was proven guilty, i considered justice is unjust kapag ito ay nangyari,…..

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Yeah, The court convict him for plunder. But its juenting money. Yon juenting money ba ay government money, Hindi. And the only reason these corrupt judges convict him because that is the only way they can protect Gloria Arroyo, From her stolen power.

jdepp
True enough, reason why a lot of Filipinos migrated abroad is partly being done by politicians like this guy. People who have suffered at his time should show no respect at all, as this person should not be given title of former president but ex convict.

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Have you ever wonder why these judges convict Erap? And after they convict him for plunder Gloria Arroyo, Pardon him. If you have any brain you should know that the only reason Gloria Arroyo, Pardon him because she know that Erap is not guilty of any wrong doing. And she also know that they’re the one should be in jail, And not Erap! Use your brain if you have any.

isa lang talaga masasabi dito……
ang mga politiko ay wlang kinakakatakutan ni Dios nga pinag iinartehan na naniniwala daw pero ang totoo wlang mga konsensha na pala ang mga mnaloloko mandarambung at yung mga nag papardon. i pardon nyu na kaya lahat ng mga magnanakaw dun sa munti baka masisiyahan pa lahat ng pamilya nila ………………

Got nothing to say, except for one.. GOD is not sleeping for HIM not to see what each one of us is doing..

Truly a sad day for Filipinos who have suffered a lot because of this guy, prisoners who have commited crimes because of extreme poverty are left to suffer more and put in the guttter, while people who currupted money and make themselves rich at peoples expense are let to breath fresh air and be given a new lease of life. Ohhh, life is not fair afterall,rich gets richer, poor gets poorer. what more can we expect for a normal Pinoy. Justice hasnt been served, but through the eyes of Filipinos working hard to absolve their families to the rigidness of life he is a convicted criminal.

dat simpLE>

WE ARE NOW TO APPLy THE Latest beatitude”,
….BLessed are those who pLunder for they wiLL be pardoned”,

hahai!
dat simpLe.
kahabaghabag!

To all Anti-Erap here in this forum.

CONSISTENCY the lack of is the real problem here.

As a democracy, IF YOU LIKE IT, and I suppose you do like it because after Marcos’ years…, then you and I both know that whoever wins any presidential election, as long as he/she is qualified, you or rather we should have no problem with that, yes?

Ok. Now Erap won. By the biggest margin in the history of our country. Now that should not worry you because DEMOCRACY nga.

[Problem: inconsistent kayo sa umpisa pa lang kasi hindi kayo natuwa kay ERAP kasi sa tingin nyo College drop out lang siya, hindi marunong mag ingles, bob? etc]

So, you and the anti-ERAP people feel he is not Good being as it were a babaero, a sugarol, a magnanakaw. So? What to do to TANGGAL HIM?

[Problem: See, inconsistent na naman kayo kasi halos lahat ng politiko ay pareho lang sa kanya, at least nga inaamin niya na may mga babae siya, e yung ibang politiko?]

How to remove ERAP?
RIGHT! By impeachment. But, what happened? You did not want it to PATULOY. Thus, you walked out, defied the rules of court and launched a military backed EDSA 2 Moro moro and invent an evidence called constructive resignation to force him out of the palace.

[Problem: Totally inconsistent na naman kayo because that is not how democracy works!!! Who says coup det'at are democratic processes must be living in limbo. Don't you know that without military back up through the coup you would not have won and succeeded in getting ERAP to cross Pasig from Malacanang? The EDSA 3 people were as if not more, numerous as you but since there was no military back up, it did not succeed. Is that so complicated to understand?]

NOW, PARDON. That is a prerogative of the Pres. (even in acting capacity) and is constitutionally correct. You hate it, you want it reversed.

[Problem: Again you are inconsistent because you are going against the current democratic process which we copied from US> Remember R. Nixon and the WaterGate Scandal? He was convicted and pardoned in less than a weeks time!]

Now, I ask you. What do you like? This is still a democratic country I assume. If you want to impose your brand of democracy inconsistent as always then you will invite the people’s wrath. You will get violence and the further breakdown of rule and order as what is now happening today: Judges, lawyers and witnesses killed in any place in broad daylight, Press people getting jailed for doing their work, carnappers acting anywhere with impunity, rapes, drugs everywhere. You want to be violent, well we have that too. If you want that the people will give you that, perhaps even more than you ask for.

Just Be consistent and we will have no problems. You’ll be eliminated too.

In conclusion, I believe since you were not consistent, the problems you see today are actually your own doing.

Inom ka ng inom kasi ng nakakalasing tapos nagtataka ka pa bakit ka nalasing.

Kabron.

Be serious. Be consistent!!!

Binilang ko ang against sa pardon, overwhelming.

Hoy, binura ninyo kasi yung mga nauna rito. You have fears and you have favors.

That is exactly the opposite of the only true and CONSISTENT opposition paper in the country today. Mag research kayo kung alin yun!!!

Bugok