EDSA II was a mistake. What guarantee there is that Puno or anyone else will not be like or worse than this one?
Correcting it with another will not make it right anytime. Even if they succeed in their plans, there is an election in 2010. Patience would be a virtue instead of haste.
Is governance now part of the bishops’ temporal responsibility? Look at the wholesale moral decay we are in now — is morality not their major temporal responsibility? They failed miserably yet they want to take more responsibility. Their effort will be more productive if they work hard at uplifting the moral standards of those who are coming after this morally bankrupt generation.
Unless they are planning to run for public office, grandstanding is not the way to go but to lead in humility as exemplified by Jesus.
– Alfredo Quedi, Khamis Mushayt, Saudi Arabia (via e-mail)
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January 1st, 2008 at 11:37 pm
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I agree with you Alfredo. These bishops have been interfering in purely state affairs. They cannot even clean their own backyard but still they have the gall to criticize. And look! Isn’t one of these bishops is a coddler of fugitives from the law? Remember how his rest house was used to hide members of the Magdalo group? No wonder, the Catholic is losing much of its membership to other Christian denominations simply because their official hierarchy is doing nothing about their pastoral responsibilities but rather enjoy the limelight that political interference gives them. Whewww…… Erap is right after all. These bishops have no business in politics.
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Of course Erap, Was right. His a better person then the rest of them put it together.
January 1st, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Its hard to believe these people haven’t learn their lesson yet when they install Gloria Arroyo, From her stolen power.
They were saying she can do a better job its because she had a doctorate degree in economic. Ha, Ha. She turn out to be the biggest failure!
And what make them think Puno, Can do a better job, When we all know in fact that his one of these evil society! Nothing good will happen to all of these. They’re kicken out the biggest LEMON and replace it with the biggest one.
If they didn’t kick the duly elected President Joseph Estrada, This problem never happen. The should let the impeachment trial to be finish so that the whole truth will come out. But, They’re in a hurry to replace him even though they don’t have any solid evidence against him. In fact its been proven in court of law; That Erap, Is not guilty of any wrong doing. The only reason the convict him because that is the only way they can protect Gloria Arroyo, From her stolen power! If this is not a corrupt justice system, I don’t know what is.
November 9th, 2007 at 4:32 pm
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November 9th, 2007 at 4:26 pm
Political oppositions are stepping up campaigns for GMA to step down and for a snap election to be held within 60 days. Some have included constitutional amendments to their demand of resignation. Will they prosper?
I had a copy of “Hello Garci” CD. It was the version that included conversations attributed to Garci and some senatorial candidates. A neighbor employed in a law firm which handled Legal matters for one Senator who made the exposé, passed it to me.
I agree that Hello Garci is not about good governance and democracy. It’s about commission of election fraud.
A national election costs billions of pesos. Cost of election is not an issue except that the political system, for no cost, can very well take care of itself:
• Assuming that the President resigns there is the Vice President next in line followed by the Senate President who is not without successors down the line;
• Assuming that there was election fraud in 2004, it did not directly implicate VP Noli de Castro thus making his case very debatable, like he has the right to ask for a recount that everyone knows may take almost forever. And this is moot as Senator Legarda, the contender, has already withdrawn her 2004 election protest;
• The National election of May 2007 was an expression of 80 million Filipinos. It gave Senator Manny Villar clear, unquestionable mandate and I don’t remember any impeachable issue was ever leveled at him at any time in his career. Why should he be made to resign too?
I agree impeachment does not work. Impeachment may even be used to oust an honest President for the same reason that it does not work.I think this safeguard is good only in places where national leadership is among people of high degree of self-consciousness. To make it work, maybe the oppositions should resort to Payola double the amount like that exhibited by Governor Panlilio from Malacañang . But then again this will make the system not only half rotten but entirely rotten.
I believe the call for the President, the Vice President and the Senate President to step down and for a snap election is incomprehensible to many Filipinos.
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November 3rd, 2007 at 11:40 pm
I really find amusing that we always find the word corruption and bribery in a day to day life of filipinos.
It is the staple word aside from the staple food that is rice. Because in breakfast, lunch and dinner, the word corruption always in the menu and utter as we put our food in our mouth.
As the word corruption is in everyday life of filipinos, it becomes meaningless, it becomes useless.
So, if a politician is charged of corruption,ex GMA, then it is normal, meaning it is only a talk, a gossip much more a rumor.
I think filipinos particularly our politicians should be careful not to abuse the word corruption or bribery. As the word is constantly used it becomes a byword with no value.
What I like in america is… people are so careful not to use language or word that is harsh and offensive and once they use the right word, it has value and meaning.
In the Philippines, corruption is everyday word that has lost its meaning and value…. you know why? with so many accusations only Erap was unlucky.
November 2nd, 2007 at 10:52 pm
2010 is too far,200+++ more similar ZTE scams-no more preferred sentenced prisoner will be in prison and other heartbreaking lousy moves of GMA will be consumated by that time.We cannot afford anymore of this.We cannot wait any longer, we are in dire need of colt leader like Puno.If he is a fast learner in Philippine dirty politics,like GMA- a false economic genius,we will uproot PUNO!!!!!!!
November 2nd, 2007 at 3:02 pm
I agree with you Alfredo. These bishops have been interfering in purely state affairs. They cannot even clean their own backyard but still they have the gall to criticize. And look! Isn’t one of these bishops is a coddler of fugitives from the law? Remember how his rest house was used to hide members of the Magdalo group? No wonder, the Catholic is losing much of its membership to other Christian denominations simply because their official hierarchy is doing nothing about their pastoral responsibilities but rather enjoy the limelight that political interference gives them. Whewww…… Erap is right after all. These bishops have no business in politics.
November 1st, 2007 at 1:50 pm
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October 30th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
After Davide of EDSA 2, can the people trust anyone?
October 30th, 2007 at 8:16 pm
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October 30th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
I beg to disagree….Edsa Dos was not all a mistake…The good thing was we we were able to let Erap to step down but the person we put to power was now a mistake…Who would have thought that she will eventually betray our trust…I agree with the Bishop to let GMA resign and put an interim Pres. until we elect a new president…let’s not wait until 2010 for this to happened. GMA might think of something to extend her term again.
Come to think of it…after six years of court battle..those witnesses who’s life was at stake just like Chavit Singson etc…after the judgment by SandiganBayan that Erap was guilty of plunder…then pardon????kaya pala hindi sya dinala sa jail kundi sa kanyang magandang resthouse uli..may bagong tactic si GMA…conspiracy???
October 30th, 2007 at 10:53 am
Hindi nakapagtataka kung ano man ang mga gigawa o sinasabi ng mga bishop (in small letter coz it is not proper noun) since the history begun time immemorial, thay already fooling our people( They said they introduce christiany but in reallity it is catholism, they were the one who lord over our nation, from govt. to military. Ngayon hindi na sila pinapansin dahil nakokornihan na yata sa dapat na talagang trabaho sa kanilang itinalaga ng Diyos. Bumabalik naman tayo sa nakaraanm ( Qoute, Those who do not know there history, will repaet itself. Maging sa Bibliya naka guhit na sila upang magin tuta o makiki ayon o gusto maging taga pamalakad ng gobyerno. Blind leaders like them will always have bling followers. unsolicited advise for bishop kuno, gawin nyo lang ang trabaho base sa sinasabi sa salita nang Diyos walang maliligaw. Wag puro photo opt or media blitz. Maraming na kayong alam sa salita nang Diyos . What the people needs is your valuable deeds. Not valuable donation from Pagcor and other pwede nyong kunang may salaping mga corrupt na tao.
October 30th, 2007 at 10:08 am
My god! hindi na nadala ang mga iyon. Hindi ba they’re the one install Gloria Arroyo, Into her stolen power now they’re kicken her out only because the bugos President of cebu let Erap out from jail. Which is overdue. Gloria Arroyo, The one should be in jail because there is solid evidence against her, For being corrupted.
October 30th, 2007 at 9:24 am
i totally agree that another edsa is not the solution. replacing a mistake w/ another mistake is disastrous.
i am appalled too by the politics of these bishops. have they got nothing else to do in their parishes? why don’t they police their own ranks w/c is being hounded by scandals? they should examine why so many politicians are morally bankrupt. that is their sole responsibility, not appearing on tv and grandstanding at every chance they get.
is politics one of their vows now? even the late pope john paul II admonished them to stay apolitical.
let us be patient….
let our love for our country be much more than our hate for gma!!!
October 30th, 2007 at 8:42 am
Alfredo Quedi,
They are not grandstanding; they are simply doing what should have been done a long time ago. Call for the current corrupt and abusive leadership to resign and request the Justices serve as our nation’s caretakers while a Snap election is being organized.
What some bishops are doing is the first step toward arresting moral decay in society. Removing the innermost core of those who perpetuate this moral decay who are also currently in the topmost position is the first step. From there an aggressive anti-corruption campaign must be done then we can work for further steps in reinstalling our lost morality. The next set of leaders WILL be made accountable to the people whether they like it our not. The monitoring must not stop even if a new leadership be elected.
THAT is the true essence of service to God and the people, not simply meekly taking in the corruption and accepting evils of society in the guise of false “humility”. The decent citizens would not bear the cross caused by the corrupt, power hungry and abusive this time. Instead the corrupt shall be the ones who must be punished according to the crimes they have committed.
As you claim the example of Jesus, they are now whipping the corrupt money changers in the temple intent on driving them away. It has been a long time in the coming, it’s about time the CBCP move rather than lounge around in church divorced from the moral havoc that this immoral leadership have wrought … and I am glad that AT LEAST some of them are finally stirring from their long slumber.
October 29th, 2007 at 11:32 pm
Why not a temporary government? At least it would end the problems about GMA’s legitimity. Only, why Puno? Much better if the boss is somebody that is not affiliated with the present administration, and not a military or police rank.
Probably it should include the leaders of political parties, or their vices if they are part of the Arroyo administration.Church leaders, economic and law specialists from big universities,as an example. Police and military has to be left out since they have to be impartiel and non-political.
They shoul, within a limited time, a proposal of economic rreforms, security and how to ensure elections without bribery, cheating, vote buying with drastical punishment of violators. Then Puno can run for president if he wants, GMA, Ramos, Erap, Cory etc., so the people really can decide.
October 29th, 2007 at 10:27 pm
they are the same bishops that are calling for the resignation of gma, ala na bang dadagdag………
we could have been in a worst situation if not for edsa 2………
guingona should give way for more charismatic opposition figure, pag siya ang nakikita kong nagfofront, nawawalan ako ng gana………
unang una siyang balimbing, walang palabra de honor, remember the ‘i accuse’ speech………
sorry but a tansition junta is unconstitutional……..
October 29th, 2007 at 8:53 pm
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October 29th, 2007 at 8:29 pm
Yes, these Catholic prelates should not be meddling with politics because that is none of their business. They have been a failure as far as their perceived responsibility is concerned, that is the morality of the people. If only my fellow kababayan would open their Bibles and read it and live its precious teachings, then they would not have fallen to the whims of these false teachers.
October 29th, 2007 at 8:17 pm
i agree….hope bishops would just work to double time in moral recovery kasi napabayaan na nila responsibility nila and they are to busy critizing.