WHY does Mr. Winston Garcia insist on representing the Government Service Insurance System in his fight with the Lopezes?
Does he really think that just because of his position in the GSIS, he represents all government employees? Has he tried to get their opinion? He is gambling with these employees’ future. The pension fund is not his alone. He is just its caretaker.
He will soon be out of office as soon as his bosses in Malacañang are either booted out or their terms expire. What will he do then? In my opinion, Mr Garcia might be diverting attention from his management of the pension fund altogether. His strategy seems to be to go after his neighbor’s trash so that his own trash won’t be looked at.
The Senate should start looking at the management of the pension fund. I’m not saying they’ll find anything there, but it’s worth it to take a cursory look at how it’s being managed being that it affects all past, present, and future government employees. Look at how the money is being invested, look at the balance sheets. It’s only fair we take a look at Mr Garcia’s backyard as well, not just the Lopezes. I’ll bet there are unwanted weeds and trash in his backyard that’ll need cleaning up or may lead to the eviction of its occupants.
– Bong Dignadice, Fontana, California (via e-mail)
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:46 pm
some people are so blind they cant see how a transparent industry when they see one. nag-ingay si winstong kaya nagkaroon ng meter refund? whatta LIE, coming from the gsis liar. read the news, go to the ERC website to get the TRUE story. if ther is any swapang here, it is the gsis.
why, teachers are suing them for witholding benefits. the gsis modus operandi? autodeduct from teacher’s salary then lose the record. even a supreme court justice is a victim of this gsis MO. no wonder winstong gets a huge salary.this is out and out stealing. which is why the gsis chair post is one of the most coveted positions in the govt.
October 22nd, 2008 at 5:15 pm
the presi-dent, the sin-ate, congress(mean), governor, mayours, and other hellish political entities in our rotten country should buy each one of their constituents a mirror and start looking up their a**ses…maybe there’s money inside it so that they can stop stealing money from the government and the Filipino people…however, their a**ses are so big that they can stuff money inside them…here’s what my tirade is about: A retired police officer with P6M in his pocket!!wow!!how can the Filipino people look passively at this blatant corruption right in front of them?the idiot cop apologizes…maaannnn, he deserves to be hanged in public, just like in China.
October 20th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Mr Bong, they (senate or whosover) how they(GSIS) operate. It is so unfair. After the automatic deductions from your payroll, “ako pa ngayon ang may utang sa kanila”. So I closed the account. What happened was this. I am a doctor back in the Philippines and was moving from one employer to another. I did not know that the months I was not connected to an employer they will charge you. Thus after I left the public hospital where I took my residency and got employed in a private entity, I was shocked that I owe them. After a number of years of contributing and without any letter from them informing such. P*** and B*******t to them. Sorry but I hate that system. Thus, I left pnas with a thought that nothing will happen good to the country. I do not hope for them to take action but I would like some divine intervention would happen and prevent that from recurring. Mr Garcia look at your process!
October 20th, 2008 at 10:41 am
jangjang may pa bluebook ka pang nalalaman…applicable yun sa malacanang mafia at arroyo corrupt-poration na wariy koy nakikiamot ka kasi nakakabilib ang simpatiya mo, ang tibay…
tama si robie tan,pag issue transparency open naman ang libro ng meralco ang tanong ang libro ba ng gsis at the way gloria etal spending billions ay open din ba?
im not also in favor of meralco because of monopoly sa power sector but the problem the government allows meralco to monopolize instead of inviting new players para maimprove services, magkaroon ng competition at makinabang ang consumer.
though i respect your opinion, natutuwa lang ako d way you reason out para bang media brigade ka ni gloria o deputy spokesperson…nakakagigil kasi baluktot na nga pangangatwiran, ang siste pa eh sablay palagi…
hindi naman ako lumalayo sa topic,ang hindi mo maintindihan ang punot dulo kung bakit may winston garcia vs.meralco…ang mga katanungan na sino ba sa dalawa ang higit na malinis? sino ba sa dalawa ang may pansariling interes? sino ba sa kanila ang mas higit ang malasakit sa bayan? sino ba sa kanila ang lalong may kapakinabangan ang bayan…
ang problema ng gloria mo pati na rin ikaw ay ang hilig nyong gumawa ng isyu mapagtakpan lang ang malaking problema ng bansa…korupsiyon, pang-aabuso, pagsasamantala, pagsisinungaling at pambabastos sa ating saligang batas.
ikaw ang hahamunin ko, kasi nga ang yabang ng tinuran mo…ano na bang nagawang pagbabago sa buhay mo simula ng maupo ang magaling mong gloria?
mas umayos ba ang ating lipunan?
naging matatag ba ang ating mga institusyon?
naging sandalan ba natin ang gobyerno sa samut saring problema ng bansa?
naging epektibo ba ang mga programa sa mahihirap?
bumuti ba ang sistema ng hustisya sa ating bansa?
madami pang katanungan ang kasagutan ay alam mo pero pilit mong ginagawang mangmang ang sarili dahil sa iyong paniniwala.
isang araw ay magigising kang dilat ang iyong mata nakatingin sa malayo at umaasa pa rin ng isang maunlad at matatag na pilipinas sa pamunuan ng iyong gloria.
ang isyu ng winston garcia vs. meralco ay isa lang sa mga stratehiya ng malacanang mafia at kahit ano pang pagtatanggol mo nagmumukha ka lang mangmang sa isyu ng lipunan.
gumising ka, at kumilos sa pagbabago..hindi yung mali ay naka-oo ka pa rin…sabagay may mga taong sunod-sunuran sa isang masamang lider at hangad ko lamang na maituwid ang iyong kaisipan.
mabuhay ka pilipino.
October 20th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Nakakatawa ka rob tan,
Kelan naman naging transparent ang magaling momg Meralco? Yung meter deposit nila kung di pa nag-ingay si winstong eh pinaghati-hatian na yan ng mga Lopez owned companies. So sino ang suwapang? Pati yung system loss? paano ang detalye ng computation ng system loss? Alam mo ba rob?
October 20th, 2008 at 9:32 am
nakaka-awa ang mga NALOKO ni winstong. ang bida ng “transparency” ay nagtatago hanggang ngayon tungkol sa foreign investment nila. hindi gaya ng meralco na binabantayan ng ERC, walang nagbabantay sa gsis sa pangungurakot nila ng pera ng mamamayan.
para sa mga NALOKO ni winstong, bakit hindi nya magaya ang CalPERS, respetado sa buong mundo dahil sa TRANSPARENCY nila? dahil pag TRANSPARENT ka, mahirap MANGURAKOT ang mga taong gaya ni winstong.
maliit ang pension kasi maliit ang hulog? or maliit ang pension kasi MALAKI ANG KURAKOT NG BOARD AT SWELDO NG MGA EMPLEADO NG GSIS
gets nyo na?
September 15th, 2008 at 10:37 am
maria makiling,
Ang layo naman ng reaction mo?
It only proves that your in the “bluebook”
Aray! Sapol ba mam?
Ibalik ko ang tanong sa yo, Transparent ba ang Meralco sa mga transaction nila? Especially sa taong bayan?
Bakit naman kay PGMA mo binaling ang sisi? Lumang gimik na yan ha? Pagod na ang taong-bayan diyan. Focus tayo sa Meralco at kay Winston dito.
Dare nga kita, Batikusin mo nga si Manolo at Gabby Lopez? Aber?
Hintayin ko mam ha?
September 15th, 2008 at 8:59 am
Miguel Olivares says (226) “… I dont trust GSIS, they coulnt even provide decent loans and pensions to its members.”
That is rather a sweeping statement and, for lack of understanding, quite unfair. I know GSIS, like SSS, provide pensions based on members’ contribution. If pensions are low it’s because contributions are low. Obviously, you need to contribute much more if you expect to get a high pension, but can you afford it?
SSS and GSIS have designed their socialized pension system for low-income members to make contributions affordable but the trade off is pensions and other benefits are relatively lower. Members who feel the pensions are inadequate and can afford it also secure additional pension plans from private pension funds to augment the benefits according to their needs.
As regards loans, obviously the limit of loanable amount is dependent on one’s capability to pay. It is unreasonable to expect approval of a loan, whether large or small, when a borrower does not have the means to pay back.
September 13th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
although i vomit at winston garcia’s credibility, he has some good exposes like what jang 2x has noted. ABS CBN news team is all about covering up their sister company’s garbage..
Meralco should be converted in a cooperative and run by the public…i dont trust GSIS, they coulnt even provide decent loans and pensions to its members.
September 12th, 2008 at 10:44 am
jangjang humirit ka na naman…
thanks winston garcia for shaking meralco?
only stupid persons doesnt know that the actions of GSIS Winston Garcia is influenced or direct order from malacanang….
and malacanang revengeful acts towards meralco etal is only to harass, hostage and a failed takeover for their personal interest.
sabi nga nagkataon lang na may magandang bunga ang pag-iingay ni W. Garcia pero di mo rin maikakaila na iba ang motibo sa naging aktuwal na pangyayari….
hay ang gobyerno ni gloria puro pagpapaikot, panlilinlang at pagsasamantala…sa mga utos, polisiya at patakaran ng malakanyang lalo lang niya pinaghahati-hati ang sambayanan.
may mga pagkakamali at pagkukulang ang meralco pero higit na malinaw ang isyu ng panggigipit at ang naising puwersahang pagkontrol sa mayorya ng shareholders para sa kanilang sariling kapakinabangan.
meralco vs. winston garcia is just another issue…
tik tak tik tak…konti na lang ang oras nila kaya sige arya kunin lahat ang dapat mapakinabangan….
ang kawawa…ang pobreng juan dela cruz
ang kawawa…ang bansang pilipinas.
tik tak tik tak…wala ng oras sila kaya sabi nga pati pamato laban na…
hintayin na lang natin ang susunod na kabanata sa pakikipagsapalaran ng masang pilipino sa kamay ng gloria corrupt-poration at malacanang mafia.
jangjang next time try to explain the beauty of governance of gloria, how she influence the higher courts, the various govt institution, how she convinced everybody that shes the chosen one.
hay hay buhay…wait na lang na sana may magandang pagbabago na maganap sa mahal nating bansa.
September 11th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
Now we see the benefits of the noise created by Winston Garcia against Meralco.
We learn that we pay for the electricity that we never use courtesy of the system loss of Meralco.
We learn that COA cannot audit Meralco as claimed by Meralco insider on the grounds that they are private firm wherein their business is a public utility.
We learned about the hidden funds emanated from the electric meter deposit that belongs to the consumers BUT Meralco claimed it as INCOME in their book. Thanks to Winston Garcia on the expose.
Last but not the least, We learned that Meralco is in the center of the bribing scandal done to CA resulting to the shameful discharge of Justice Roxas on his corrupted favoring on Meralco in the case filed by GSIS.
Meralco deserves to be owned by other competetive power investors like the Aboitiz. If Ayalas, Sys, Tans or Gokongweis can own Meralco, WHY NOT.
One more, I PRAY THAT ABS-CBN NEWS TEAM WOULD DISBAND AND FORM A MORE CREDIDIBLE TEAM AFTER THE DISBANDMENT. The current news team is tainted and corrupted.
We should thank Winston Garcia for shaking Meralco.
Violent reaction?
August 24th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
The DOJ has filed a non-bailable, syndicated estafa case against 16 Meralco officials. Is Gonzales capable of jailing the estafadors? Or is it just another palabas.
In order to audit Meralco, NASECORE should course their request through the ERC. If the request is based on valid grounds, the ERC must then request COA to audit Meralco books and accounts.
The Meralco is not a private enterprise of the Lopezes. It is a publicly listed distribution utility firm, franchised by Congress and regulated by the government through the ERC.
According to Supreme Court decision ( G.R. No. 141314 and G.R. No. 141369 ) …..”When private property is used for a public purpose and is affected with public interest, it ceases to be juris privati only and becomes subject to regulation,” also in the same decision, “The investor agrees, by embarking capital in a utility, ……. His company is the substitute for the State in the performance of the public service, thus becoming a public servant.”
Actually, the utility company should voluntarily subject itself to regular COA audit to gain the confidence of the public and the government.
August 23rd, 2008 at 9:25 am
COA can by all means audit Meralco being a company with installations in public areas with govt control.
Meralco is Lopez-controlled but it remains a public utility firm.
GSIS as one of the major stakeholders in Meralco is a crystal clear govt entity thus the Govt have part interest in the ownwership of Meralco. The very reason that COA can audit firms like Meralco.
The soonest COA can audit Meralco, the better for the public to know how much money is gypped by the unscrupoulus practices of the Lopez-led Meralco.
August 19th, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Meralco always had an accusing finger to Napocor on the high cost of generation.
Look whose big mouth is talking! Lopez is also adding to the high cost of the generation charge as the Lopez owned Meralco is also buying from the Lopez led/owned IPPs like Quezon Power and the others.
No numbers needed, plain and simple.
August 15th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Villafuerte alleged that the Lopezes collected 19 B within the span of 3 years for the power that was never delivered. This, if computed for a period of 15 years, is comparable to what Napocor collected since 1993. The big difference is that the so-called Napocor-contracted IPPs do not belong to Napocor, while the Meralco-contracted IPPs belong to the Lopezes.
The public always find it detestable to see when big businesses used the defects of the law to cheat their customers.
August 15th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Hindi pa pala tapos itong thread na to. Paulit-ulit lang ang tanong, paulit-ulit din ang sagot kaya walang maresolve.
To settle some issues once and for all:
1. Systems loss was allowed by the framers of the EPIRA law. Short-sightedness brought us this problem. No one listened to us back then when we were opposing it. Now even Gloria’s fans are putting the blame on Meralco when they were the ones who crafted the law. They now even call for class suits. Stupidity at its worst!
2. EVAT on systems loss is more stupid. The “VA” in “EVAT” stands for value-added, why then should you tax a “Loss”? Of course, like thieves in the night, it’s the morons of congress who railroaded EVAT.
3. The motives of Garcia are impure. His family owns interests in Aboitiz-owned VECO in Cebu and are direct competitors of Meralco in the asset disposal of Napocor. His proposal to break-up Meralco’s franchise gave him away. If you look at the auctions of PSALM, it was either Lopez or Aboitiz who were awarded the plants. Without Meralco, who would have benefited? It doesn’t take rocket science to know that.
4. Meralco has 2 Natural Gas Plants, and one bunker-fed. But The price of NatGas has been indexed with Petroleum. Instead of running plants on cheaper fuel from an indigenous source, we still pay as if we are using Saudi Oil. Further, Government levies 25% royalties for this natural treasure. Not to mention, EVAT is added once the bill is passed to us poor consumers.
Who is therefore more greedy, Meralco or government?
5. The competitive price of power WORLDWIDE is only US 7 cents/kWhr, or about P3.15. How much is Napocor charging Meralco?
6. ALL POWER PLANTS constructed under the BOT scheme in Ramos’ watch are collecting Take-or-pay of half the total amount it passes to Meralco. Everybody, including Meralco is paying double for every kilowatthout capacity of a plant. Even if it is undergoing maintenance repair or when off-grid! Again this is the handiwork of Congress, which gave Ramos unlimited emergency powers. Is Meralco at fault or government?
Some people here quote Villafuerte who has said P19B was passed by the non-performing (yet) Lopez plants as Take-or-pay when in fact more than a HUNDRED BILLION was passed by Napocor’s IPPs since 1993.
Didn’t you notice it was a forest when you were looking at a tree?
7. Congress can yet redeem itself by correcting its past mistakes. But what has it done? What is it doing? Posturing for charter change to solve the Muslim conflict no one among them really wants to end?
If pro is the opposite of con, what is the opposite of progress?
August 12th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Hamak,
Ang topic kasi natin eh laban nina Winston Garcia at Meralco, sa KURYENTE.
Kampi ako kay Garcia sa sinasabi niyang pababain ang kuryente na binebenta ng Meralco. Kung pambobola man yun, valid sa akin as Meralco consumer ang pinaglalaban ni Garcia.
Kung GSIS ang topic natin, babatikusin ko si Garcia sa paglustay ng pondo ng ahensya at sa mga delays sa claim ng mga GSIS members tapos eh malalaman na lang natin sa balita na bumili siya ng hindi kailangan ng ahensya.
Hindi po kasi ako taong-gobyerno kaya di malinaw sa akin ang laban ng mga members ng GSIS.
Nagtataka lang ako kung bakit pilit na isinisingit ang GSIS issue sa laban sa pagbaba ng singil sa kuryente ng Meralco.
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Jang Jang, Buti ka pa Meralco lang problema mo kaming mga Empleyado ng Gobyerno eh dugo at pawis ang ninanakaw sa amin ng iniidolo mo. di ba kaswapangan ang ginagawa ng idolo mo. katulad nka rin ng spokeswoman niyang si elampaso o\\ elamparo na yak yak ng yak yak wala namang substance ang sinasabi.
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:33 am
fanatic,
thanks for your feedback.
What bugs me is the fact that the Lopez run Meralco is buying from its own/sister IPPs which sells at a much higher rate.
Yes Napocor had so many things to answer to the public but they are claiming that they are selling electricity lower than these privately owned IPPs by the Lopezes.
I believe just like Napocor, Meralco had many hidden issues to answer to the public.
I really dont care about GSIS fanatic, its another issue to tackle. What we are after are all those who contributes to the high cost of electricity and MERALCO is one of the culprits.
It is only MORAL that Meralco is in hot water at present. Its one way of busting Lopez’s bloated ego believing that they are “untouchables”
Law of Karma had been hitting him for all the misdeeds, look at his ABS-CBN boboos and brushes with the law? No one is above the law my friend.
Take your GSIS issue to another blog issue and your barking at the wrong tree my friend.
Simple questions needs simple answers, stick it to your mind.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
fanatic:
It is totally unfair if we accuse everyone that criticized Meralco and the Lopezes to be pro-WinstonGarcia.
Although system losses are inherent in every stage of the entire energy production, transmission and distribution systems and even if it is mandated and capped by law, the utilities should take charge of their responsibility to improve their system and bring the losses down to minimum. So far, Meralco has not displayed any real effort to up-grade and improve their system. As technology improves, the laws that governs the industries must change.
The most unfortunate situation that is existing now is that the law did not capped the “take or pay” ceilings. The government in granting this incentive to energy suppliers inadvertently opened the gates to abuses by unscrupulous distribution utility companies that contract energy far above their requirements and then charge it all to their customers. This can easily happen in cases where the distribution utility companies also operate power generating companies. The temptation to cheat is simply to great to resist.
July 29th, 2008 at 10:30 am
to jang jang- kindly read all articles related to winston garcia- the sacred cow of the arroyo government. take a look at how the gsis employees, pensioners are suffering from this corruption and evil deeds. and before you judge meralco, kindly make sure that you know what you are talking about. check out the distribution costs that meralco charges- the pro rated charges which is one, if not the lowest among utility providers.
and for the nth time- system loss charge is mandated by the constitution with a certain ceiling. its not only meralco that charges that. its all the distribution utilities across the globe.
however, should you wish to make all of the systems here in the philippines trash, you could pursue your call for GSIS winston garcia to take charge whatever he wants.
July 24th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
My apology to the real Engr Jose.
You had confirmed points posted by Harry. Post info for our education Engr Jose.
Moderator, I believe DJ Mazon have something to do with the faking.
July 24th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Totoy DJ at Eng2,
Di niyo naman sinagot yung issue how much generation cost ang nagmumula sa Lopez IPP? Kasama kasi ito sa generation charge ng Meralco.
Hirap kasi sagutin ano? Wala kasi kayong alam dito at panay sa Napocor ang tingin niyo?
Eng2, transparent ang Meralco? Haha! Nagpapatawa ka ano? Yun na nga ang hinahabol nina Winston Garcia ng GSIS at nang publiko kaya nagkakagulo-gulo.
Di bale, titrahin na din yang “system loss” na pinaglalaban ng mga Lopez fans dahil mas may paninindigan na yung bagong ERC Chief.
Mga iho, wala pa ang EVAT, malaki na po ang utang ng Napocor. Ibat-ibang presidente na ang nakinabang dito. Kaya nga nararapat ang EVAT para mabayaran natin ang mga namanang utang pero dont get me wrong. I am after the reduction if not cancellation of EVAT sa langis lang.
DJ, gamitin mo din yun kukote mo ha? bata ka pa nga talaga iho. Sunud-sunuran ka kung magkano lang ipataw sa yo ng Meralco, magtataas pa nga daw sila kasi meron daw silang “under recovery” daw! Eng2, asan ang transparency nito na sinasabi mo?
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:37 pm
DJ Mazon,
Did the other 40 IPPs made their customers paid to the tune of 19 B as mentioned by Villafuerte?
Is it not possible for a major distribution utility to set up an affiliated generation plant on borrowed funds and then using the “take or pay” racket, make its customers pay off the power plant’s debt obligations? Voila, a free power plant!
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Engr. Jose said:
“I did a simulation, if 100% of electricity are consumed within off-peak hours, 29.89% of savings on generation cost can be realized by a customer”.
Harry said:
“The maximum saving under the TOU program is about 14% of the billing total and that can be attained only if 100% of electric power are consumed within the Off-Peak hours, which is almost an impossibility”.
Engr. Jose was referring to the maximum saving on Generation Cost which he computed to be 29.89%. However, I was referring to maximum saving of only 14% on the the “Billing Total” which I presumed is more meaningful and important to the consumer.
Also, in my estimates for the savings I used the average value of the Peak hour rates for Dry and Wet seasons. I also used the regular Generation Cost of P4.50 which appeared in my billing statement. My computations were by no means precise and should not be used as a guide for deciding TOU enrollment.
Late night businesses like bars and other entertainment clubs can definitely derive benefits from the TOU. By being more imaginative, some other businesses may also benefit from it.
I’d like to thank Engr. Jose for re-affirming most of my impressions on TOU.
July 23rd, 2008 at 11:44 am
To the Moderator,
Someone else is using my blogname. Kindly address.
Thank you
July 23rd, 2008 at 11:39 am
Lolo Jang Jang,
Napocor rates can be lowered anytime they want “artificially”. But who will pay for the real cost of power? Tayo pa ring mga consumers lolo. Aren’t you aware that we are suffering from E-vat because mainly of Napocor debts assumed by our National Government?
You totally agree that Napocor is mismanaged and full of corruption. Then you should also totally agree that their real cost of power will always be higher due to inefficiencies, older facilities plus mismanagement and corruption.
Lolo naman, konting logic lang jan oh
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:13 am
Hi Sir Harry,
Please see my reply below with asterisk:
Issues between Meralco and the GSIS are no longer technical or engineering problems. They are issues bordering on corporate abuses and business ethics. A lot of people would want to know if GSIS has the right to inspect the books and transactions of Meralco;
***Yes Sir, i believe GSIS has the right to inspect the books and transactions of Meralco. Meralco had always been transparent with these documents.
and, although permitted by law, is it ethical for a power distribution utility company to purchase some 18 Billion Pesos worth of “undelivered power” from affiliated energy suppliers and charged it to their customers?
***I personally believe that our laws are the main and last pillar of justice and equity. I agree that paying for undelivered power is unfair. However, this arrangement is allowed under the contracts that were duly reviewed and approved by the proper authority. These were the only solution then during the power crisis that required immediate setting-up of IPP power plants that required higher than normal costs and guarantee on utlization.
July 23rd, 2008 at 9:52 am
Hi Sir Harry,
Sorry for my delayed reply. Below are my comments with asterisks.
Meralco TIME-OF-USE Rates Program(TOU)
To avail of this program, the customer must be up-to-date in his payments and must consume on the average at least 1,000 kWh per month.
***This is correct. Residential customers with a 12-month average consumption of atleast 1,000 kWh without service irregularity are qualified to apply for the program
.
The rates under this program are effective only for the Unit Price of the Generation Charge; therefore, whatever savings that can be realized under the TOU program is purely on the Generation Charge and its corresponding e-VAT.
***Yes Sir, this is correct.
Under the TOU, the Generation Rates are divided into Peak-Hours rates and Off-Peak-Hours rate. Peak hours are from 8:00 AM to 9:00 PM (Mon. to Sat.) and 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (Sundays); the rest of the hours are considered Off-Peak hours.
***This is correct as well.
Peak hour rates are P6.4852/kWh for Dry Season (Jan. to Jun.) and P6.1053/kWh for Wet Season (July - December). Off-Peak rate is constant at P3.0925/kWh throughout the year. The customer pays 40% more than the regular Unit Price for power consumption during the Peak hours and he saves 31% off the regular Unit Price for power consumed during Off-Peak hours.
***This is correct Sir. Let me just clarify, assuming a 4.4111/kwh regular or average rate, here is the comparison:
% a customer pays more during peak hours:
dry season = 47.02%
wet season = 38.41%
% a customer pays less during off-peak hours:
all year round = 29.89%
The customer will have to pay an Application Fee of P3,046.00 for a special Watt-hour meter (VAT inclusive for single-phase installations), additional monthly Metering Charge (P117.20/mo. plus VAT) and Supply Charge (P0.0109/kWh plus VAT) will be included in the bill.
** Correct Sir.
Basing on the above, if the customer’s power consumption during Peak hours exceeds 40% of his total monthly power consumption, he either makes no saving at all or may have to pay more than his regular bill (based on his pre-TOU billing).
***I did a generation charge simulation based on a 4.4111/kwh average/regular/pre-TOU rate. Here is the break-even point:
%Peak to break-even = 43.77%
%Off-Peak to break-even = 56.23% (1-% peak)
You are correct Sir, a customer can realize savings by lowering his peak consumption from 43.77%
The only way to save on Generation Charge is shift most of the power consumption to within the Off-Peak hours (at least 70% to be safe). If the customer is careless on his power consumption scheduling, he may end up paying more to Meralco.
***Yes, Sir. TOU is a pricing option for our customers who want to save on their generation component of their bill. Some of our customers need to shift some of their consumption to off-peak hours in order to realize savings. While some do not need to do anything since their existing consumption pattern is already towards off-peak hours.
Based on rough estimates, the break-even point is 40% (Peak) and 60%(Off-Peak). The maximum saving under the TOU program is about 14% of the billing total and that can be attained only if 100% of electric power are consumed within the Off-Peak hours, which is almost an impossibility.
*** To be more precise, the break-even point:
%Peak to break-even = 43.77%
%Off-Peak to break-even = 56.23% (1-% peak)
I did a simulation, if 100% of electricity are consumed within off-peak hours, 29.89% of savings on generation cost can be realized by a customer.
After enrolling in TOU program, we have to run our home like a Videoke Bar first before we can save 10%.
***Not all residential customers with average consumption of 1,000 kwhs and up will benefit from the TOU program. During a customer’s application for the TOU program, we conduct feasibility checks and provide advise whether or not the customer will benefit. Otherwise, we will advise him/her not to avail. We are providing our customers a prciing option where they can save. Thank you for your comments Sir Harry. I hope i clarified some points that you raised.
Engr. Jose
July 23rd, 2008 at 8:36 am
Lolo Jang Jang,
Hirap ka talaga umintindi kahit paulit ulit ng na-explain sa iyo. The undelivered power is due to the “take or pay” arrangement of both Lopez owned IPPs and Napcor IPPs. Bakit kaya Meralco lang ang sinisisi mo?
Ikaw na rin nagsabi na you totally agree na “mismanaged” at “sa corruption” na din. Sa tingin mo, sino ang nagbabayad sa cost implications ng mismanagement at corruption ng Napocor? Tayo di ba? Ngayon, kung may logic na natitira dyan sa utak mo, sa tingin mo Napocor reflects the true cost of generated power given their “mismanagement” and “corruption”? Lolo, artificial ang pagbaba ng presyo nila, pag isipan mo. Kaya yung milyun milyon o bilyon bilyon na lugi at utang ng Napocor, boss, tayo ang nagbabayad through E-VAT.
O ngayon, sino ang tunay nagpapahirap? Konting isip lang lolo.
July 22nd, 2008 at 10:10 am
Totoy DJ,
Sabi mo:
Ibig sabihin ang Generation Charge ang pinakamalaking bahagi. Kung nanood kayo ng hearing sa Senado tungkol sa Meralco lumalabas na ang Generation Charge ang tunay na dahilan ng mataas na singil ng kuryente.
Sagot:
Yun na nga totoy DJ, kasama ang mga Lopez IPPs sa Generation Charge na reflected sa billing ng Meralco. Damay din ang mga IPPs na ito sa mataas na singil ng kuryente.
Mas mura ang singil ng Napocor on per kilowatt charges especially on peak hours kumpara sa mga Lopez IPPs. Remember nag baba sila ng singil lately? Sana nabasa mo yun sa diyaryo iho.
Kaya puwede ko sabihin na nandudugas talaga ang Meralco sa taong-bayan.
Nandiyan pa yung nabuking na meter deposits at interest na ginawa ng Meralco na income sa financial statement nila. Kundi pa nag-ingay ang taong-bayan, nagpaka-busog na naman ang Meralco dito.
Paano na din yung undelivered power na contracted ng Meralco from its own IPPs before? Ipinasa sa consumer ang charges nito totoy DJ. Kasama ka sa nagbayad iho. Mahal na mahal mo pa din ang Meralco, nakakatawa ka din ano?
Yung sa coal, Indonesian companies ang supplier iho at idinaan sa bidding kaya hearsay yung sinasabi mo na mataas ang bili nila sa coal. Ang mali ng Napocor, hindi sila nag-stock ng pang-matagalan at nagkakaroon ng emergency purchase.
Lugi talaga ang Napocor kasi nga ay mismanage at sa corruption na din. I totally agree.
Kaya totoy DJ, may sabit pa din yung Meralco mo. Magkano ba suweldo mo sa kanila?
July 22nd, 2008 at 9:41 am
Harry King,
Congressman Villafuerte is just looking at he Lopez IPPs for undelivered power under “take or pay” contracts.
Is he blind about the almost 40 IPPs of Napocor with the same “take or pay” contracts?
This is his way of earning browny points from free publicity. It is not correct to just single out an entity, look at the bigger picture. High power rates is a problem of the whole power industry with the government as the main culprit.
July 21st, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Agree Harry,
Also the meter deposits as promised by Meralco to refund.
If not with the public outcry, Meralco will be enjoying the meter deposits plus interest as part of their income.
Come to think, why blame Meralco? They are private corporation and wants to maximize their profit. Its in the book on corporation and partnership back in college. I cant recall “maximizing the discounts on consumers” as one of the dogmas.
Yeah, why blame Meralco????
July 21st, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Lolo Jhang Jhang,
Your Comment:
Sabi mo 56% of Meralco supplies comes from Napocor? Double check your data iho. Alam ko 40% lang from Napocor at 10% from WESM. So, 50% ang sa Lopez IPPs? WOW! Laki talaga ng dugas ng Meralco sa taong-bayan!
My Answers:
I never said that 56% of the generation charge comes from Napocor. DOUBLE CHECK mo yung post ko, page 36 of this blog Lolo. I know that the generation charge in our bill is a mixture of Napocor, Wesm and Lopez IPPs’ power supplies.
Sige nga, bigyan mo ko ng points kung paano mandugas ang Meralco thru Lopez IPPs? Ikumpara mo yung purchase price ng coal for Napocor against Lopez IPPs, doble ang presyo Lolo. Kung alam mo ang accounting, your total cost increases as your variable cost goes up.
At kung tinitira mo yung Lopez IPPs for their “take or pay” contracts resulting in capacity charges even if not the full capacity is dispatched, ang mga Napocor IPPs ba walang “take or pay” contracts? Think again, halos lahat ng IPPs ng Napocor naka “take or pay” contracts po Lolo. Hindi ka ba nagbabasa ng balita o kaya nanood ng Senate Hearing about the Power Industry issues?
For your information, ang “take or pay” arrangement with IPPs ang nagsalba sa atin sa power crisis (remember those brownout days?) nung panahon ni Ramos. Sino bang investor ang mag-iinvest sa mabilisang pagtatayo ng planta ng walang garantiya?
Kaya bago ka tumira at sumatsat, pag-isipan mo muna. Para kang pusa sa bubong na nag-iingay.
July 21st, 2008 at 9:26 am
Thanks Harry King, Your post was very informative.
You really have to go that far in researching or maybe you are part of the energy sector?
Basing on your post, 1000kw as average to avail of TOU will be applicable only to the level of the Lopez family, meaning only the rich will pass the TOU.
It will also create paranoia in the household. Imagine the house owner will yell at his/her servants not to use the centralized aircon system, water pumps and other high wattage-consuming appliances during peak hours and use it only on off-peak hours to use the TOU.
Generally, benefits can only be availed by consumers who have more money than what he/she only needs. Frequent Flyer Mileage promo?
TOU only on generation billing? What about the distributor Meralco? Fattening their tummy?
July 20th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Engr. Jose:
I am sure many of us are happy and welcome you for joining us here. It’s so hard now to have somebody from Meralco that can answer the many questions that puzzle the ordinary layman. I hope you can help me with the following questions.
1. Who determines the system loss, the energy buyers like Meralco or the energy suppliers such as NAPOCOR, WESM, First Gen Corporation, et al ?
2. How is system loss measured and calculated for each energy suppliers?
3. How does Meralco segregate transmission loss from their distribution losses?
4. How does Transco measure the actual wattage carried by their transmission lines every hour of the day?
5. Who pays for the transmission? Meralco or the energy suppliers?
6. What is the basis for the calculation of the Transmission Charge?
7. Why is there a Supply Charge when there is already a Distribution Charge?
8. Why is Metering System Charge based on the power consumption?
July 20th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Jang-jang:
Don’t forget the power Meralco contracted with the Lopez-affiliated IPPs that was paid for by the Meralco customers but never delivered; close to 19 B. Pesos, according Cong. Villafuerte.
“Take or Pay” is the most onerous business practice allowed by the ERC for the IPPs to exploit the consumer public.
July 19th, 2008 at 12:54 am
sa kababayan ko na galit kay garcia - bakit hindi niyo tingan ang performance niya sa GSIS. iyan ang dapat natin basihan dahil ng hawakan niya ang GSIS gumanda at tumaas ang kita.
Baka naman galit kayo sa kanya dahil ang mga bisaya ay nakikilala na gayun.
ito rin ang dahilan na ang mga schools sa provinces ay kalaban na rin sa board exams ng mga taga maynila- ito ay manipisto na hindi na pued ngayun dahil nasa computer age na tayo at hindi na kayang lokohin ang mga probensiyano.
Kung may kasalan si Garcia sa mga bintang dapat kasuhan at ipakulong pero wag gamitin ang pambabastos at puro haka haka lamang.
Sa amin sa Samar - hinaharap namin ang kalaban ng tapatan, kaya kung puro bintang lang ang alam mo sa maynila kanalang pumunta at magdada.
July 18th, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Engr. Jose:
Issues between Meralco and the GSIS are no longer technical or engineering problems. They are issues bordering on corporate abuses and business ethics. A lot of people would want to know if GSIS has the right to inspect the books and transactions of Meralco; and, although permitted by law, is it ethical for a power distribution utility company to purchase some 18 Billion Pesos worth of “undelivered power” from affiliated energy suppliers and charged it to their customers? These are some of the immediate issues that has to be clarified.
July 18th, 2008 at 10:50 am
DJ,
I’ll return the quetion to you, HOW MUCH ELECTRIC SUPPLIES MERALCO GETS FROM NAPOCOR, WESM AND LOPEZ-CONTROLLED IPPs?
Sabi mo 56% of Meralco supplies comes from Napocor? Double check your data iho. Alam ko 40% lang from Napocor at 10% from WESM. So, 50% ang sa Lopez IPPs? WOW! Laki talaga ng dugas ng Meralco sa taong-bayan!
Rob Tan,
Legit issue ang “pagbaba ng presyo ng singil ng kuryente”. Direktang makikinabang ang consumer dito.
Yung 12% VAT, as I said DAPAT BAWASAN kasi sobrang tax na ang impose from generation, transmission at distribution ng kuryente. Wag naman alisin, bawasan lang, lets say to 6% VAT na lang.
Tama ba bata?
July 17th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Meralco TIME-OF-USE Rates Program(TOU)
Following the advice of robbie tan, I checked with my nearest Meralco outfit. Below is my understanding on the TOU program.
To avail of this program, the customer must be up-to-date in his payments and must consume on the average at least 1,000 kWh per month.
The rates under this program are effective only for the Unit Price of the Generation Charge; therefore, whatever savings that can be realized under the TOU program is purely on the Generation Charge and its corresponding e-VAT.
Under the TOU, the Generation Rates are divided into Peak-Hours rates and Off-Peak-Hours rate. Peak hours are from 8:00 AM to 9:00 PM (Mon. to Sat.) and 6:00 PM to 8:00 PM (Sundays); the rest of the hours are considered Off-Peak hours.
Peak hour rates are P6.4852/kWh for Dry Season (Jan. to Jun.) and P6.1053/kWh for Wet Season (July - December). Off-Peak rate is constant at P3.0925/kWh throughout the year. The customer pays 40% more than the regular Unit Price for power consumption during the Peak hours and he saves 31% off the regular Unit Price for power consumed during Off-Peak hours.
The customer will have to pay an Application Fee of P3,046.00 for a special Watt-hour meter (VAT inclusive for single-phase installations), additional monthly Metering Charge (P117.20/mo. plus VAT) and Supply Charge (P0.0109/kWh plus VAT) will be included in the bill.
Basing on the above, if the customer’s power consumption during Peak hours exceeds 40% of his total monthly power consumption, he either makes no saving at all or may have to pay more than his regular bill (based on his pre-TOU billing).
The only way to save on Generation Charge is shift most of the power consumption to within the Off-Peak hours (at least 70% to be safe). If the customer is careless on his power consumption scheduling, he may end up paying more to Meralco.
Based on rough estimates, the break-even point is 40% (Peak) and 60%(Off-Peak). The maximum saving under the TOU program is about 14% of the billing total and that can be attained only if 100% of electric power are consumed within the Off-Peak hours, which is almost an impossibility.
After enrolling in TOU program, we have to run our home like a Videoke Bar first before we can save 10%.
July 17th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Eng. Jose,
Do you have knowledge on how much electric supply Meralco gets from Napocor, First Phil Holding, Quezon power and other Lopez-controlled IPP.
Can you answer it in terms of rate and its equivalent wattage and amount?
July 17th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
dismayado
hindi mo talaga makita ang anumang impormasyun tungkol sa di kilalang tao na yan dahil isa siyang kathang-isip lang….
July 17th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Good afternoon. I am an engineer from Meralco and i am willing to clarify issues about Meralco and GSIS. Thank you.
July 17th, 2008 at 8:43 am
Master Jang Jang,
Can you explain why the generation charge in our bills is high?
July 17th, 2008 at 8:39 am
hi robbie,
what is TOU scheme, how can this lower electricity cost?
July 16th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Comment by Henry Hikers - March 22, 2008 at 7:56 pm
Where can we find more information to read about this Anthony Santiago Martin? When you google his name, you will only find links to Filipino people posting comments about how he’s so rich and powerful and controls for much money, but there’s no real solid, unbiased info out there. Is he real?
Comment by Who is HM Anthony S Martin? - April 9, 2008 at 6:30 pm
July 15th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
GSIS chief faces graft raps over P1-B donation to Malacañang
This is act is total betrayal of public trust as Winston and his gang has no moral and legal rights to give money to malacanang.
Wala na talangang hiya yan si Garcia pati pero ng taong bayan ay pinakialaman. Bakit hindi ito ibigay sa mga nangangailangna thru soft loan sa mga GSIS members na guto mag negosyo.
Winston hindi pera mo yan, at ipinagkatiwala laman sayo ang pwesto sa GSIS para pangasiwaaan at hindi kurakutin. Bakit kurakot dahil hindi naman ma ma-audit yung perang pumunta sa Malancanyang..
July 15th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
jangjang
“political battlecry” ang alisin ang eVAT?
ei di political battlecry din ang tawag sa ‘ibaba ang singil ng meralco’.
may eVAT kasi ang gobierno ay hindi marunong magnegosyo - kaya lubog sa utang ang napocor. kahit na ‘ekonomista’ pa sya, kuno.
magsabi ka ng presidente na nag-tax ng kuryente? sige nga bata?
July 15th, 2008 at 9:02 am
As i said, this is a problem of the entire power industry which stemmed from the decisions made way back the Ramos administration. The sad thing is, this problem is being continuosly aggravated by the irregularities in Napocor and the way our government slams us with absurd taxes on electricity.
July 14th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
DJ,
Malabo alisin ang taxes. Pwede pa siguro reduce.
Kung ang SYSTEM LOSS ay nasa batas( general argument ng mga Lopez fans), Mas lalong nasa batas ang govt taxes. Problema lang kasi ay nasa crisis tayo ngayon dahil mataas na presyo ng langis kaya nasisilip ang VAT.
To my impression, VAT removal or other taxes to be scrapped totally is just a rich political battlecry by those who oppose the current admin. Its an agenda.
56% generation from Napocor? Ok talaga naman may “milagro” sa Napocor pero hindi buong 56% ang sa Napocor lang. Eh yung mga LOPEZ IPPs na kumukuha din ng supply ang Meralco? Hindi ba part of GENERATION charge din yun? So yung 56% na sinasabi mo eh pinaghahatian ng Napocor, First Phil Holdings(Lopez-owned), Quezon Power(Lopez-owned), ano pa ba?
Kaya kahit na anong depensa mo sa Meralco, sabit pa din dahil may parte sa generation charge ang mga Lopez IPPs. Alam mo ba ang accounting between Meralco and Lopez IPPs? Financial statement of these Lopez IPPs? Sige nga bata?
July 13th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
To: Toungetwisted & Vivic,
If you provide me with your respective e-mail, I can send you sample of my recently paid electricity bill. It is very simple and straightforward. Even a grade one pupil nowadays can easily understand. I have translated the Arabic wordings into English to enable you to understand.
As for your technical question, there is no need to answer point by point, the bill and the related charges speak for itself, once you got hold of the bill.
Notice that the rate charges based on the categorgy of kilowatts used are testimony that the the company shoulder any charge if there was/is any. On the miniscule rate charge, it is nearest to zero that there would be charges on the way MERALCO charges its customers for distribution, transmission, system losses etc. The rate for 0.05 halalas in the first 2,000 kilowats is very very minimal equivalent to about 0.55 centavos only.
Charges for system losses and distribution charges are only subterfuge charges for a greedy company like MERALCO.
July 13th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
Looks like some people here cannot equate electricity prices with oil prices.
In utilities here, prices per kWHr for residential users depends on the amount of power they use. So a user of less that 100 kWHr month will definitely pay less per kWHr than a user of 600 kWHrs a month. Small users of power usually have several subsidies going for them.
Winstong used this simple trickery in one of his many media appearances. And it seems many people were fooled. And are stil being fooled.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
after reading all the reactions re the meralco issue, i tend to agree more w/ harry king’s analogy. although, dj mazon’s suggestions re abolition of the e-vat on the system loss, etc. are just the perfect solutions.
one ex. of meralco’s lack of monitoring system….my electric meter was not working, so, i reported it to the meter reader, w/c he said “ok yan ma’am, hindi sira”. but, you might call me a fool, but, i cannot for the life of me be dishonest, as so many people are suffering from high power costs and here i am, not being billed rightly. so i called the hotline and reported it again, and it took them a month before the meter was replaced w/ a new one. and the irony of it is i might be billed for back payments! #%& imagine! i honestly reported this busted meter and now they will bill me for their undoing! what if i was dishonest? so will that form part of their systems loss?
why not have someone check the meters, and not rely on the lazy meter readers?
so, we should not absolve meralco. marami silang pagkukulang din….and this is just one incident….
whose job is it to check on the meters? di ba meralco?
July 12th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
estraza, you are clueless as to the pricing of electricity. anyone with experience knows that hydro is more expensive than gas, especially bunker or LNG plants. please research more on the matter. to help you, find the cost of the electricity that will be produced by the 3 gorges dam in china. include the cost of land that will be placed underwater and the cost of the dam. and then compare it with a gas plant in saudi. looks like you learned something new, hence the change in your tone. you’re lucky, I dont bet with clueless people.
harry king, if your bill is true, then it is time for you to get off your ass and go to the nearest meralco branch and file for a TOU scheme that will lower your electricity. the scheme has been open to customers with high consumption for over a year.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Before Winston Garcia should dwell into the shortcomings of the Meralco/Lopezes, he should at least reexamine the government agency he is managing because there are a lot of government employees who are not satisfied with the way GSIS provides service. There are a lot of complaints as to their services. He should at least think not only twice but many times before taking actions against the Meralco and its management.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
The Generation Charge covers the actual kilowatt-hours (KWH) of consumption. Using the conservative example of D J Mazon (my bill shows differently), for consuming 560 Pesos worth of electricity we have to pay an amount equivalent to 18% of what we consumed for transmission (Transmission Charge); plus, more than 16 % of what we consumed was stolen or lost along the way to our house. While the distribution of 158 pesos that Meralco gets from us represents more than 28% of our actual consumption; and, lastly the government gets more than 17% of our consumption.
Adding 18% + 16% + 28% + 17% = 79%. The equation is very simple, we paid for the price of a pig but we only got a front leg.
Now, here comes the mystery or the “sleight of the hand” in magical tricks, under the Generation Charge is the Unit Price where the “undelivered” power is factored in or hidden. If we pursue further and eliminate this hidden cost from the Generation Charge, what we really consumed may be is just the “tenga ng baboy” for the price of a pig.
In my latest electric bill it showed that Meralco collected from me a Distribution Charge of almost 8000.00 for a Generation Charge of about 16,000.00 representing an actual distribution cost of 50% on the power “consumed”. Adding, likewise, the four factors as above, the total is 18,000.00 which exceeded the Generation Charge of 16,000.00 ! ! !
After paying for a whole pig, I don’t even get an ear of a pig to chew on.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Dismayado,
At last, the real worst baliw is surfaced in your presence. Because you have no money, swimming and drowning from reality of foolishness. like MERALCO you are among worst baliw in the universe. How are your colleagues in Mental, Dismayado. Ha!
July 10th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Mga kabayan, himayin natin ang ating meralco bill para malinaw. Tiningnan ko ang meralco bill ko at ito ang nakasulat
Generation 56%
Transmission 10%
System Loss 9%
Distribution (Meralco) 15.8%
Subsisdies -1.2%
Government Taxes 9.7%
Kung P1,000 ang bill ko ngayong buwan, ibig sabihin , P560 ang napupunta sa Generation, P100 sa Transmission, P90 sa System Loss, P158 sa Meralco at P97 sa Government Taxes.
Ibig sa sabihin Generation Charge ang pinakamalaking bahagi. Kung nanood kayo ng hearing sa Senado tungkol sa Meralco, lumalabas na ang Generation Charge ang tunay na dahilan ng mataas na presyo ng kuryente. Isa dito ang mataas na presyo ng binibiling coal na panggatong ng Napocor para sa IPPs nito (doble ng halaga ng binibili ng ibang IPPs). Pangalawa ang mataas na buwis na ipinapataw sa natural gas na panggatong din sa paggawa ng kuryente. Kasama din dito ang “take or pay” contracts ng karamihan sa mga IPPs.
Ewan ko kung totoo, nabasa ko sa dyaryo, hindi pa daw nagtaas ang charges ng Meralco simula pa noong 2003. Kung totoo yon, hindi natin dapat sisihin ang meralco.
Kaya sa tingin ko, eto ang mga tunay na solusyon sa problema natin sa mataas na presyo ng kuryente:
1. Baguhin ang sourcing strategy ng Napocor sa pagbili ng coal na panggatong at gawin long term para mura ang bili para bumaba ang generation charge
2. Alisin ang mataas na buwis sa natural gas para bumaba ang generation charge
3. Alisin ang E-Vat sa System Loss at sa buong bill sa kuryente (manatakin mo, system loss na, may VAT pa?)
4. Pag-aralan muli ang System Loss limit na 9.5% at singilin lang ang resonable (imposible po talaga ang Zero System Loss)
Agree ako kay Tounge Twisted, ang problemang ito ay problema ng buong power industry at hindi lang ng isang kumpanya
July 10th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
DJ,
Are you still studying? study some more dude and get the “thing” back in your head.
You blew my head on sayin that its “PURE HEARSAY” that Meralco is entitled to sales profit and public share offerings.
Try reading some books on corporation and its purpose.
If Meralco is a non-stock, non-profit corporation, you have a reason
If not, Dude try to learn other things than defending your beloved Meralco kapamilya. True-blue kapuso? haha.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Sa haba haba ng prosisyon sa pagbabayad parin ng mahal na kuryente ng meralco ang tuloy.. yan ang katotohan, kahit anong esplika gawin ninyo at depense sa meralco sa sarili parin ninyong bulsa at pawis manggagaling ang ibabayad ninyo sa kuryente buwan buwan.
Kung ikaw ay isang driver ng pampaseherong jeep, ikaw ay nahuli dahil nagsakay ka sa “no loading zone”, sisingilin moba sa pasehero mo yung multa sa traffic violation mo? Isa lang yan sa mga “system loss” ng ordinaryong Juan dela Cruz. Ang pagkakaiba lang, hindi kasing gahaman ng Meralco ang ordinaryong Juan dela Cruz..
July 10th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Chiquito, we can forget Garcia and the Lopezes, they are just personalities; but can we forget our electric bills and Meralco?
I’d say let’s forget about the bishops, consider them as just flies in the ointment. More than half of the world’s population do not believe in what they say.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Ding Estraza,
I have questions for you for the enlightenment and benefit of everyone here in our blog regarding your claimed knowledge gained by just paying your electric bills for the past couple of decades:
1. What power plants is Saudi Electric using?
2. What are the prices of diesel, bunker and petrol right there?
3. What are the transmission, distribution and utilization voltages right there?
4. How can they get rid of the system losses in their electric system? Does their lines do not have resistance or impedances?
5. How much royalties, and taxes does the Saudi gov’t. slap on their oil imports?
6. Are there subsidies in your domestic fuel right there? how much per liter?
Thanks. Please respond the soonest so that everyone will be eductaed.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Congressman and Godo is right, Mang Godo must be a Great Fool or Dakilang Tanga like other people whom I read that supporting GMA. There’s no Official Confirmation that GMA is our Head of State but what we discovered is that there’s a name of HM, King Anthony Santiago Martin of no. 133 Rizal St., San Sebastian, Hagonoy, Bulacan and having multiple financial warrants that could be saved us from this crisis. GMA is making promise out of nothing and she is also expecting these wealth solely entrusted to HM, King Anthony Santiago Martin directly intended for us, worth dying Filipinos.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
I will not start calling anyone here a MORON because it will be an insult to all the stupid people. And I would also like to tell Mr. Estraza that I do not speculate in the business of electricity.
Just because there is a single item in your bill in Saudi does not mean your system does not have losses. I will not repeat myself after this, about the inherent characteristics of electrical systems - one of these is technical losses.
If Mr. Estraza can prove to me that the electrical system in Saudi has no measurable losses, then I lose this argument and I will stop commenting here. Otherwise, I think that he is an incompetent finance manager for not knowing the basics of price structures which is taught in business courses starting as early as the freshman year.
If I sounded too technical for you in the previous comments, you can use wikipedia to help you. Try looking up core losses, hysteresis and copper losses for beginners. Now, UNLESS Saudi uses loss-free materials UNLIKE copper for transformers and conductors, your “perfect” Saudi system WILL ALWAYS HAVE SYSTEMS LOSSES, from the generating plant all the way into your house, dormitory, or building.
And don’t give me the BS that only Meralco is greedy because it has many items, which includes systems loss, in its bills.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
naku, ayan na naman ang mga baliw talking hundreds of billion na pera daw ni H. Martin na ipamimigay daw sa mga mahihirap someday… congressman impostor hoyyyyyy gising….
July 9th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Robbie Tan,
The issue here is not the source of power to generate electricity. The REAL BIG ISSUE here is the COST OF ELECTRICITY. It does always true that if the cost of fuel is high and so with the electricity.
Take the example there in pinas if producing the electricity derive from hydro which is more cheaper than using oil, how come that electricity still high?
It is very logical that MERALCO is charging the consumers irresponsible electricity rates.
And please, do not argue because you are not here living in Saudi Arabia. You wanna bet for $5,000 that we are enjoying lower electricity rate if the not lowest in the whole world.
For your more information, while Saudi Arabia having enjoy high profits on petro dollars, we are experiencing high inflation on basic commodities, like food etcc. except electricity, Now, don’t tell me that high oil prices always something to do for all increases in commodities.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
Forget about Winston Garcia. These are all politics. Lets talk about the Bishops.
They are talking so much about the VAT. Do they pay their taxes individually, and for that matter, is the church paying any tax to the government?
If they do not pay tax, how can they voice their own opinion to the government?
We the people who are paying taxes (do we really pay our taxes? ) should have the voice and not those non-paying citizens. Just my personal opinion.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Dear Congressman,
Before I go on with the topic discussion, thank you for your time by giving attention to what I wrote, Mr. Honorable Mention Congressman.
I am not supporting Arroyo nor Garcia, what I am trying to say is… stop whining for minor things and stop blame game.
Secondly, you are talking of billion dollars that the three former presidents had in the bank, not only billion but hundred billions.
Do you know how to count, do you know how to distinguish hundreds to thousands to millions to billions?
Maybe you are talking of the currency of Zimbabwe where one dollar equals one billion of their money.
This time, I will not believe you to be a congressman. The last time you said you were a lawyer but you are not.
Anyway, what can I say to an impostor like you impersonating as congressman.
Granting that you are one, that’s the reason why the Philippines cannot take off, we have people like you who runs the country not only a pretender but a clown moron.
Thank you, Mr. disHonorable Conman.
Mang Godo
July 8th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
We have more than 100 Congressman who employed in the House of Representatives and we both monitored Former Pres. Gloria Macapagal - Arroyo who sticked tightly in Malacanang Palace and HM, King Anthony Santiago Martin who stayed in no. 133 Rizal St., San Sebastian, Hagonoy, Bulacan and we compared both Head of State and we conclude their differences GMA is waiting her kidnap-for-ransom allies to abduct HM, King Anthony S. Martin while HM, King Anthony S. Martin is waiting for the Bankers to go direct to his house in Hagonoy, Bulacan because he wanted to release these funds used by all Financial Institutions worldwide such as World Bank Group, IMF, US Feds, FATF, OPEC, IFC, BIS, UNICEF, UNDP, other Top Agencies worldwide and all Prime Banks worldwide including all Multinational Corporation worldwide and GMA is still engraving Php 980 Quadrillion and US$ 895 Trillion, as per relayed info given to us by our Intelligence, in BSP in Quezon City and elsewhere without back up she did this thing because she aspired HM, King Anthony S. Martin will be abducted by some renegade soldiers of Abu Sayyaf, NPA, MNLF and MILF who secretly connected with GMA and we have counted now in House in support to HM, King Anthony Santiago Martin more than 100 House of Representatives and we’re been divided into two 70% for HM, King Anthony S. Martin and 30% for GMA whenever HM will IMPLEMENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT we will fully thrown our support to GMA and we will put her in more legislative inquiries because we learned that she is no longer Head of State anymore. We have a copy of the Last Will and Testament given by our allies in the United Nation Resident Office in Makati City and we urged people to liberally fight our right to CLAIM these funds entrusted to HM for HM is a Trustee of the Filipino People’s wealth used by the world.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:01 pm
estraza, before calling names I suggest that you look at where saudi gets their power from. and to calm down or risk having a heart attack.
does saudi have geothermal plants? hydro plants? coal plants? nuclear plants?
solar plants? what type of power plants does saudi have?
then I suggest you look at the fuel the saudis use to produce electricity before saying that oil has nothing to do with their energy prices.
then look at yourself in the mirror and say ‘moron’.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
GMA means G is for Garcia, M is for Meralco and A is for Arroyo. Those people who supported Evil President Gloria Macapagal - Arroyo is like an evil also. We never be taken our Pork Barrel because we know that GMA hates us and we never expected to receive these blood money given by the people and we are waiting for the reward to be given by HM, King Anthony Santiago Martin and we know that GMA is continuously engraving Php 970 Quadrillion Treasury Bills and US$ 890 Trillion Treasury Bills without back and she wanted these engraved fake bills including all circulating Philippine Treasury Bills nationwide be guaranteed by HM, King Anthony S. Martin. How ridiculous is this lady former President.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Mang Godo,
I am a Congressman but you are dearly penetrating to put your sympathy to Gloria Macapagal - Arroyo well that’s it Mrs. Arroyo is not a sinner but she’s an implementor of this kind of sin because you are also a sinner. Meralco must be stopped for putting hike of electric bills because Gloria has behind of GMA remember and who do you think is behind of these price hike? She like Cory Aquino and Fidel Ramos a worst ever evil Presidents in the Philippines had taken over Meralco and we had files that Cory Aquino has claimed US$ 50 B during her time and FVR had taken also US$ 100 B while GMA had taken US$ 110 B all deposited in Bank of China account no. 4456353333 but we further disclosed this matter because HM, King Anthony S. Martin has taken and ceded full power of authority to claimed these assets these evil people taken from Meralco not only that GMA had secret share in Petron worth US$ 300 B, FVR - US$ 200 B and Cory - US$ 80 B and where is it now? It is placed by the World Bank Group to the hand of HM, King Anthony S. Martin. So you better to shut up for supporting GMA she’s an evil like Cory and late Original FVR.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Robbie Tan,
You are really a MORON, the higher price of oil, has nothing to do in the cost of electricity in Saudi Arabia. You do not know what you are commenting. For your information, the price of oil in 1991 before the gulf war was only $20 per barrel, since then we are enjoying 0.03 halalas per kwh until now. It never gone up unlike the greedy culture of MERALCO. The Saudi Electric Company is a publicly listed company in Saudi. It is not control by the the government.
If I have something tangible benefits derive to prove to you or to MERALCO, I can present documents (billings for the past 10 years). Nevertheless, all your comments are purely speculative and when it comes to court it will have no bearing. Stop depending MERALCO, and don’t infuse other issues. Stick to the real issue and present real, reasonable arguments back up by documental proof. PITY on those blindly defending MERALCO misdeeds, the curse of poverty and hardship will fall on you. MERALCO is like a sheep on wolves clothing. IMULAT ANG MGA NABUBULAGAN NINYONG MATA.
July 8th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Anak ng tipaklong, Winstong Gracia for Senator??? Kawawa naman ang Pilipinas kung madadagdagan pa ng mga trapo sa gobyerno.
The government’s harassment of Meralco is just a piece of a huge puzzle with Garcia as its henchman. Sana atupagin na lang ng ating gobyerno ang matinidng krisis sa ating bansa. Ang dami ng naghihirap.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
robbie tan, we have to find out whether it is Garcia that pocketed the GSIS money - malversation; or, it is First Gas et al that pocketed Meralco’s money that in turn declared no dividends to the GSIS investment.
One thing clear is that Garcia made a bad investment in buying Meralco shares; no dividends means no loans/pensions. Maybe the GSIS members are willing to accept Meralco shares in lieu of the monthly pensions and hold on to it, hoping that Meralco pays dividends regularly.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:03 am
looks like several people like to discuss the subject using zero knowledge.
cheaper electricity in saudi than in philippines? estraza, isnt it obvious? is 10 million barrels a day not obvious enough for you?
on the so-called sweetheart deals. ayorn man, the government has 40 such deals, the last one was the IMPSA deal which nani perez took point in. all such deals are subject to govt regulation and scrutiny. since all these take or pay deals are still with us, we can assume they are above board. if you believe otherwise, you can always go to the nearest court and file suit. abolish these take or pay contracts with all the private power plant investors and the country will be back to the 8 hour daily blackouts circa 1992.
allan, gusto kong murang kuryente kaya hindi ko susuportahan si garcia na puro palpakis ang mga pinagsasabi
mang godo, if garcia has credibity, no problem. however, I have several relatives who are public school teachers who were unable to get any loan from the gsis since april 2008. looks like winstone has pocketed their money and is now gunning fo r a senate position to escape his failures
July 7th, 2008 at 7:09 pm
The main reason why the “Take-Or-Pay” should be abolished is because the utility companies can play magic with the numbers. This can be illustrated by the following hypothetical example.
Assuming Napocor generation cost is double that of other IPPs; say 10 Pesos and 5 Pesos, respectively.
Assuming Meralco’s total requirement is 2000 megawatts. So, it contracted 1000 megawatts from Napocor and and paid 10 Million Pesos.
For the remaining 1000 megawatts, Meralco then enters into a contract for 2000 megawatts with affiliated or sister-owned IPPs. Out of this latter contract only 1000 megawatts(50%) will actually be delivered, since this practice is allowed under the “take-or-pay” clause. So, Meralco paid another 10 Million Pesos for the contracted 2000 megawatts.
Adding the two payments, Meralco then collects from its customers a total of 20 Million Pesos instead of 15 Million for the required 2000 megawatts, equivalent to to 10.00 Pesos per KW (the same as Napocor generation cost with no savings for the customers).
The affiliated IPPs made an extra profit of 5 Million Pesos from the energy of 1000 Megawatts which was NEVER intended to be delivered.
Now, we do not know whether Transmission Charge is based on the actual power delivered or also on the paper contracts. The Transmission Charge now is a whopping 22% of the Generation Charge; and if we add the System Loss Charge to it, the total is almost 40% of the Generation Charge. Transporting crude oil through pipelines may come out to be cheaper!
No one is saying that Meralco and the Lopezes are engaging in these unethical business practices but the existence of a “take-or-pay” clause certainly puts the consumer public in a very, very disadvantageous position.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
Tougeteisted,
Please do not comment base on your speculation only.
I’been paying my electricity bills while staying in Saudi Arabia for the past 20 years. I’ been monitoring my electricity bill on monthly basis. As i said there is no system losses or other charges that footed on my bill. Our a/C’s are working non stop 24 hours a day. The electrici company (SAUDI ELECTIC COMPANY) here is not greedy as compared to MERALCO. For 20 years, I have been paying 0.030 halalas equivalent to 0.36 centavos per kwh. I can send you the copy of my electricity bills just to prove it. Nevertheless, my information is enough to inform anybody that MERALCO is commiting an economic crime to the Filipino people. It is their GREEDINES that we are suffering for high electricity cost. Perhaps, maybe the culture of the Saudi Company is better that the Filipino companies that makes the big difference when it comes to greediness. PITY to those who blindly supporting MERALCO. It’s eighter they have vested interest in MERALCO or they are just plain MORONS
July 7th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Jang Jang
For your info:
NPC generation rates cost more expensive than Lopez IPP rates. You can dispute this if you want but be sure to provide a data, not just all talk. Also consider the inconsistent rates of NPC that changes every hour compared to the Lopez IPP rates which are fixed.
NPC plants are farther than Lopez IPP’s. The farther the distance, the more expensive is the transmission charge.
Summing it up, NPC rates are more expensive than Lopez IPP rates in the aspect of generation and transmission charges.
You sure you want to pay more expensive rates from NPC rather than your so-called “sweet heart deals” rates huh?
Generation charges which is the most expensive among the charges and is being just passed on by Meralco to their consumers. It means that distribution utilities dont earn a single centavo from generation charges they buy from the generators when they sell electricity to their customers. Meralco is just being paid by the consumers for the distibution or delivery of power through the distribution charge.
System loss is actually a small portion of generated electricity produced by power plants. It can be called as generation loss. Such loss is not a loss at all because it can be considered as a raw material to deliver electricity. It is the energy that carries the electricity that is being delivered to the customers- the technical loss and the administrative loss (company consumption).
Why do you question all the distribution electric utilities from passing such losses to its consumers if it is instrumental for the delivery of their electricity?
Why should let the distribution utilities shoulder the system loss / generation loss if they are not earning from generation charges? If a generation charge is plain a pass through then why oppose passing through of system loss charge?
Net revenue derived from distribution charge even such is doubled is too small that it can’t even match an equivalent value of the total system loss, which only represents the small part of the generated electricity.
Given all these rationalizations, if the irrational governmnent will let the distribution utilities shoulder all the system losses, all distribution utilites will be bankrupted. The most expensive electricity arises when there is no electricity at all- when we have to source electricity from our own generators
July 7th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Let’s all support the move for VAT Zero rating for electricity. This will surely benefit us as consumers since this will premanently reduce our bills. Para mabawasan naman yung buwis na kinukurakot ng mga sindikato!
July 7th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
FROM JANG JANG >> “Then why did Meralco recently were able to bring down their cost wherein before the public discovered their greediness, they were petitioning to ERC for an increase in the kwh charges? Does the public outcry irritate Meralco?”
ANSWER >> The rate reduction was attributed to a reduction in generation cost and systems loss charges. The reduction was DUE MAINLY to the low prices obtained from the Wholesale Electricity Spot Market (WESM) wherein the cost of energy that was sourced from the WESM in May 2008 was among the lowest since the market opened in July 2006. BOTTOMLINE, the overall cost of customers’ bills was reduced due to lower GENERATION CHARGES via WESM and not because of Meralco’s costs. Meralco simply reflected this reduction to the bills. Lolo dude, you have a lot of catching up to do in understanding the industry before pretending to be an expert. Tama yan, paturo ka kay Tounge, madami kang matututunan sa kanya.
FROM JANG-JANG>> Being private, Meralco is entitled to sales profit and public shares. The govt may regulate and “protect” some interest like the technical loss but Meralco makes the call on their benefits that will fill their huge tummy
ANSWER>> purely hearsays, people will likely to believe if claims are well substantiated and backed up by proofs
FROM JANG-JANG>> Do not rely on news or blogspot from allied companies of Meralco. They’ll defend it at all cost because its their daily grind iho. Or your one of them iho?
ANSWER >> I’d rather believe in factual news than just hearsays. Sorry dude, true blue kapuso ito. Why, are you part of the fat payroll of GSIS like Elamparo? Anyway, GSIS got all the money to spend right?
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July 7th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Twisted tongue,
Well said.
You mentioned that Napocor’s take-or-pay charges was not detailed in the Meralco Bill.
Questions are: When did Meralco have the authority to look into Napocor’s books? Are they sister companies?
Maybe you should rephrase your statement: Lopez-owned IPPs should be reflected in the Meralco billing’s generation charge as Meralco is also buying about 40-45% of its supply from its sister companies.
I’d like to hear from you about this? Pls educate me on this if what I say is inaccurate.
DJ,
Your saying that I should bark on the legislators to bring down the cost?
Then why did Meralco recently were able to bring down their cost wherein before the public discovered their greediness, they were petitioning to ERC for an increase in the kwh charges? Does the public outcry irritate Meralco?
Being private, Meralco is entitled to sales profit and public shares. The govt may regulate and “protect” some interest like the technical loss but Meralco makes the call on their benefits that will fill their huge tummy
Try asking a retiree from Meralco so you know what broils inside the company.
Do not rely on news or blogspot from allied companies of Meralco. They’ll defend it at all cost because its their daily grind iho. Or your one of them iho?
July 6th, 2008 at 1:20 am
Simple lang naman ang issue dito.
Gusto ba ninyo ng murang kuryente?? OO o HINDI?
Kung OO, pwes manahimik kayo at suportahan nalang ninyo si Garcia sa kanyang ginagawa.
Kung HINDI, edi mag unahan kayo sa opisina ng Meralco at doon kayo bumili ng yelo.
July 5th, 2008 at 10:57 pm
1.Tanungin naman natin ang gobyerno tungkol sa kanilang ’system loss’ - taon-taon ang laki ng kinakaltas na tax ng gobyerno sa ating sweldo, pag bumili tayo ay may tax pa rin, kabhit sick leave natin ay tinatax- peru ang tanong, magkano ba sa mga taxes na ito ang bumabalik sa atin? kung ang Meralco ay may 9.5 something na System loss eh baka sa gobyerno ay baka Total at a loss tayo?
2. Noong nakaraan election, yung isang mama dyan ay may papunit-punit pa ng Meralco Electric bill. Abangan si Winston sa darating na Election! Hay naku!
July 5th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
mr. jaycab… i symphatized with you on the delay of your mom’s pension checks.
there are million pensioners in GSIS and of course,clerical or computer error or mail delivery maybe the reason for the delay but that is easily correctable at once and no need to panic.
the point is, we always whine and got high blood for minor things. and as usual we go to the top or head for the blame.
just like GMA,every thing that is happening in the philippines is her doings and she’s the target of blame.
remember that Gloria is only one of the many government executives. we have the senators, congressmen, cabinets, governors, mayors. what i mean to say is… go after them and not Gloria.
just like Garcia, he is just representing GSIS,the agency in meralco as stockholder and we blame him for the delay of your mom’s pension checks.
What is the relevance?
i have also a retired teacher sister and never heard her complained about her monthly pension checks, though there are also delays. but she can wait.
we should stick to the issue and not try to connect one from the other like a puzzle.
if it is Meralco issue, let’s finish the Meralco thing, if it is GSIS, then let’s solve the GSIS problem. one issue is different from the other.
much more, don’t make speculation or haka haka.
July 4th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Dear Lolo Jang Jang,
Matanda na nga po kasi hirap na po kayong umintindi ng mga binabasa nyo. Mahirap po yan, baka di lang sa mata ang problema nyo, baka more of reading comprehension.
Also, regarding the pig analogy for system loss, i assume kumakain po kayo ng “buto ng baboy” pag bumili kayo sa palengke kasi po lolo, kasama po sa binabayaran natin yon pag ikinilo kahit hindi yung buong baboy ang binili natin. Para simple po, parang ganoon po ang system loss, binabayaran kahit hindi napakinabangan. Sabi nga ni Juday, nasa batas po iyan, RA 7832 or the Anti Filferage Act of 1994. Eto po, baka sabihin nyo lolo na di po ako nag-re-research:
REPUBLIC ACT No. 7832
http://www.lawphil.net/statutes/repacts/ra1994/ra_7832_1994.html
Section 10. Rationalization of System Losses by Phasing out Pilferage Losses as a Component Thereof . - There is hereby established a cap on the recoverable rate of system losses as follows:
(a) For private electric utilities:
(i) Fourteen and a half percent (14 1/2%) at the end of the first year following the effectivity of this Act;
(ii) Thirteen and one-fourth percent (13 1/4%) at the end of the second year following the effectivity of this Act;
(iii) Eleven and three-fourths (11 3/4%) at the end of the third year following the effectivity of this Act; and
(iv) Nine and a half-percent (9 1/2%) at the end of the fourth year following the effectivity of this Act.
Kung gusto nyo po pababain yung recoverable cap for system loss of all distribution companies like Meralco, aba e dapat sa Kongreso kayo umapila sapagkat sila ang nag-apruba ng batas na yaan. Meralco is the wrong tree to bark on, tama ba yun?
Ayoko ko rin po ng mataas na bill na bayarin sa kuryente. Pero dapat alam natin kung sino ang dapat sisihin. Gusto nyo samahan ko pa kayo lolo sa kongreso, mag rally tayo….
It’s useless to argue with someone who don’t have an open mind to facts. Sige po, panalo na po kayo lolo…
July 4th, 2008 at 9:29 am
To all bloggers who insist their bitterness in the GSIS issue and squeezing it to the Meralco issue, BRING IT TO A DIFFERENT BLOG VENUE and focus on the issue of Meralco, ERC, Napocor and Epira.
Now Meralco partially brings down their price on their own initiative without “hiding” under the skirt of their enforcer ERC, only shows of their GUILTY FEELING by succumbing to public pressure.
Winston Garcia’s tirades on Meralco have produced fruits beneficial to the people. Assuming Meralco is a different issue that must be carefully addresed.
I just wonder why some bloggers here are up to their teeth in defending the system loss which can be compared to the PORK BARREL of the legislators, LEGAL BUT CAN BE MANIPULATED.
July 4th, 2008 at 6:54 am
On Mr. Juuan C. Kawawa’s
You might have been referring to the French businessman, Hubert d’Aboville, who is also the head of the European Chamber of Commerce who was dressed-down by Gloria Arroyo’s allies in the Senate. Hubert is our competitor and an energy expert, too. One of his electrification projects was to install solar panels into 18,000 homes in Masbate and like many foreign businessmen operating in the provinces, they were harassed by communist rebels and about P10M of cables and equipment were burned after failing to pay revolutionary tax. If it was an electricity distributor that was installing the panels, you can be sure it will be charged to systems loss!
The French company, funded by a P1.1BILLION grant by the French Gov’t has stopped all works until the Phil. Gov’t can secure their worksites. Now you know why very few investors are coming in, compared to Vietnam, for example. Our gov’t continues to woo investors and practically beg for foreign aid but once it’s here, we push them to leave.
Law enforcement everywhere is a dismal failure, it contributes to the high cost of electricity. Cable thieves, jumper tappers, and meter temperers should be apprehended by the cops, and those assets by utility firms should likewise be guarded.
Failing to do that, no new players in the electrical industry are arriving soon, leaving us to the mercy of the same faces of the Aboitizes, Alcantaras, and Lopezes.
July 4th, 2008 at 6:25 am
Mr. Estraza,
While the bill indicates only the kwhr used, it doesn’t mean you are not charged with systems loss. It is technically inherent, and no electrical distribution system is without it. And as sure as there is sand in the desert, your supplier’s pricing structure already includes it in the distribution cost. To do otherwise isn’t sound business acumen. The same thing with your water company. You know that of course, you are a finance manager.
Now, as to the single line item in the bill, it is what we had experienced here, too. Only the kwhr consumption was reflected in the bills…until EPIRA. The same congressmen who are in the forefront of class suits against Meralco today are the same ones who crafted the law that allows Meralco to charge up to 9.5% SLC. The unbundling was a commendable feature of the legislation BUT its purpose was dishonest in the fact that while it LOOKED like the bill is more transparent, it also LIMITED what items can be shown on the bill. The bigger “rider” to your monthly payments, which is the TAKE-OR-PAY charges by Napocor’s IPPs, which is about HALF of the Generation Charge, is INVISIBLE in the bill.
Jang-Jang,
I am with you on that. If you have the goods on Meralco, then I encourage you to file it in ERC or the courts. I understand, however, that NASECORE has already done that.
I have been an advocate against TAKE-OR-PAY charges contracted by NAPOCOR with its IPPs and also against exorbitant systems loss charges by distributors as early as Pres. Ramos’ time. I had been an advocate LONG BEFORE EPIRA WAS SIGNED INTO LAW.
Not many really understood it then, Enrile was in fact a lone ranger. Me, a voice in the wilderness. Now, some have been enlightened and they speak like experts!
July 2nd, 2008 at 5:16 pm
To bloger Al Jeratsu,
Please, don’t take it personally, the core issue here is the hight cost of electricity no other else. To infuse issue on GSIS affair is equal to muddling the issue. For a mature and professional commnentator you should stick to the issue. Don’t confuse peope who are following up the issue.
As for the tounge twisted, Saudi Arabia where i worked as a finance manager in a power and water service provided company NO such thing as SYSTEM LOSS is being charged to our electricity bill here. I’been paying my electricity for the past 20 years. It barely increase and simple bill issued by the Saudi Electricity Company. It show only the kilowatts consumed and actual rate. No other charges. Happy to say that the Saudi Electricity Company, a private company is not as greedy compared to MERALCO.
July 2nd, 2008 at 8:27 am
Twisted tongue,
Thank for the info but 9.5% is too huge in totality that Meralco doesnt care to “unbundle” to its crictics like Garcia.
Youre right, I REALLY DONT UNDERSTAND why Meralco has the stomach to charge the public with the company’s electric consumption costing in hundreds of million, Retirees pensions, pilferage( they didnt have the drive to pursue on these pilfers, its paid in systems loss) and treating the meter deposits as Meralco’s income.
I say your right, its the fault and greediness of the some govt officials and MERALCO owners themselves.
Birds of the same feathers!
July 1st, 2008 at 11:14 am
jaycab Says:
Before Mr. Garcia even delves into MERALCO, he should first check his own backyard to see what is happening.
My parents are both GSIS members who are already retired. My mother got her pension in lump sum a few years back. My father opted for the monthly. Unfortunately, my father died one year after his retirement. So my mom applied for survivorship and for the e-card.
We have been receiving the monthly survivors pension for almost three years, when, at the height of Mr. Garcia’s campaign against MERALCO, the pension came in two weeks late. The next month, the pension did not arrive.
Until now, we are waiting for the pension cheques. Where are they? Why is it that GSIS is not working properly? Are they too busy working their asses off just to run after MERALCO? Why does not Mr. Garcia first fix the inefficiencies in his own office, whence there are a lot of complaints from the GSIS members themselves that the GSIS is not quickly responding to their needs?
Mr. Garcia, we hope that you fix the problem in the GSIS first. The queues for services are long, and people are already fed up. Don’t waste your time running after MERALCO.
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Maybe the delay in pension checks was caused by the GSIS investment in Meralco that yielded no dividends according to Garcia. If so, the more reasons for him to check on what is wrong w